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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Colin C No.3 on February 25, 2018, 04:33:28 pm
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I've been supporting Rovers since I was 12 years old, I'm now in my sixties.
I've been to many, many away games. I've had my scarf ripped from my neck at Mansfield in the late 70's whilst walking to the ground with my elder brother, his young daughter & my younger sister, by two spotty teenagers egged on by a beer garden full of Mansfield fans. What do you do? You let it go of course.
I've been on one of the many Leeds buses taking fans from Elland Road back into Leeds after the game, a game SOD's side won 1-0 that day, a day we dominated & Copps took the p**s out of their right back right in front of Dennis Wise's dug out, twisting & turning him in knots, the right back not Dennis Wise (although I suspect both would apply!). Me & my younger brother were going back into Leeds to catch our train back to Keighley, where we both have lived locally for some 40+ years. We sat on the top deck of that bus, full of Leeds fans, our 'colours' carefully hidden & listened to Irish, cockney,Scottish accents as they 'wailed' as one, "how could we lose to that lot?". Well you had & oh how we smiled 'inside'.
But yesterday I witnessed something that was...let's just call it unpalatable for now, then I would welcome anybody's comments.
I love football, no, I mean I really, really love football. Doncaster Rovers are more than just 'my club', they have been The Golden Thread that has run through the tapestry of my life, for so many reasons.
So I have been at many, nay most of the highs & lows that the journey with my club, Doncaster Rovers, have taken me on. As a young man on the 'pop side' at Belle Vue, I have stood chanting & singing until I was hoarse. As we beat Barnsley 3-0 at Belle Vue with Dave Penny's 'team', I have even started a chant of "Brazil, it's just like watching Brazil..." a song 'stolen' from Barnsley as they free fell from the Premiership.
I was 'an angry young man' in the eighties as Maggie crushed the miners into submission. So yeah, I 'got' the chants of "Scab, scab, scab" whenever we played a club from Nottinghamshire. I didn't join in, but I could understand it. Football is 'tribal' & that tribalism manifests itself at football grounds all over the world, I 'understand' that.
And so back to yesterday. First & foremost let me be clear, that penalty was like a dagger. I couldn't speak to my brother sat next to me. I kind of 'went into myself'. It's so painful it's almost physical. Heart, soul & body laid out bare to be 'trampled on'.
But, throughout the game & afterwards walking back to our car, I witnessed what I can only describe as animalistic behaviour from those 'stood' around me. When I ordered my ticket I was asked "Do you want the quiet section or the noisy section?" "Quiet please". We ended up with tickets on Row P, three rows from the back. The two rows in front of us stood throughout. Directly in front was a bloke in I would say, his late fifties. Dressed in a beige woollen jumper, brown corduroy trousers & shiny brown brogue shoes. He could for all the world have been someone's favourite uncle, that is until he opened his mouth.
He & others around him, many again who must have been at least in their forties, spent 80% of the game chanting & slavering " Paedo's, paedo's...", making hand gestures to the Rotherham supporters who responded likewise. We're not talking about teenagers here, but actual grown men who 'pretended' they wanted to 'get at' the opposing fans. It would have been farcical if it wasn't for the pervasive feeling of hatred, pure hatred towards people who as my brother remarked, could well work in the same factory, would they dream of acting that way in any other forum?
A young boy, who can't have been more than 10 years old, joined his dad in the 'Paedo chant'. I very much doubt he even knew what he was chanting...but his dad did.
It continued as we left the ground with a woman who I would guess was in her thirties, screaming "Paedo's, F*****G PAEDO'S!"
The result & the way it came about was bad enough, but to have to walk through that. Are these representatives of my club? We're they hurting as much as me & my brother?
It was vitriolic, sickening, disgusting, horrible filthy & way unnecessary. Shame on them.
It made me long for 'my' pop side.
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When I was a young lad it had humour attached to it, the popular culture we all enjoyed whilst stood on terraces. It seems to have disappeared.
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So let me get this clear? You as a young un were happy to generalise every single supporter of Mansfield as a 'Scab' but you aren't happy for the current set of Rovers fans to call all Rotherham fans 'Paedo'.
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I've been supporting Rovers since I was 12 years old, I'm now in my sixties.
I've been to many, many away games. I've had my scarf ripped from my neck at Mansfield in the late 70's whilst walking to the ground with my elder brother, his young daughter & my younger sister, by two spotty teenagers egged on by a beer garden full of Mansfield fans. What do you do? You let it go of course.
I've been on one of the many Leeds buses taking fans from Elland Road back into Leeds after the game, a game SOD's side won 1-0 that day, a day we dominated & Copps took the p**s out of their right back right in front of Dennis Wise's dug out, twisting & turning him in knots, the right back not Dennis Wise (although I suspect both would apply!). Me & my younger brother were going back into Leeds to catch our train back to Keighley, where we both have lived locally for some 40+ years. We sat on the top deck of that bus, full of Leeds fans, our 'colours' carefully hidden & listened to Irish, cockney,Scottish accents as they 'wailed' as one, "how could we lose to that lot?". Well you had & oh how we smiled 'inside'.
But yesterday I witnessed something that was...let's just call it unpalatable for now, then I would welcome anybody's comments.
I love football, no, I mean I really, really love football. Doncaster Rovers are more than just 'my club', they have been The Golden Thread that has run through the tapestry of my life, for so many reasons.
So I have been at many, nay most of the highs & lows that the journey with my club, Doncaster Rovers, have taken me on. As a young man on the 'pop side' at Belle Vue, I have stood chanting & singing until I was hoarse. As we beat Barnsley 3-0 at Belle Vue with Dave Penny's 'team', I have even started a chant of "Brazil, it's just like watching Brazil..." a song 'stolen' from Barnsley as they free fell from the Premiership.
I was 'an angry young man' in the eighties as Maggie crushed the miners into submission. So yeah, I 'got' the chants of "Scab, scab, scab" whenever we played a club from Nottinghamshire. I didn't join in, but I could understand it. Football is 'tribal' & that tribalism manifests itself at football grounds all over the world, I 'understand' that.
And so back to yesterday. First & foremost let me be clear, that penalty was like a dagger. I couldn't speak to my brother sat next to me. I kind of 'went into myself'. It's so painful it's almost physical. Heart, soul & body laid out bare to be 'trampled on'.
But, throughout the game & afterwards walking back to our car, I witnessed what I can only describe as animalistic behaviour from those 'stood' around me. When I ordered my ticket I was asked "Do you want the quiet section or the noisy section?" "Quiet please". We ended up with tickets on Row P, three rows from the back. The two rows in front of us stood throughout. Directly in front was a bloke in I would say, his late fifties. Dressed in a beige woollen jumper, brown corduroy trousers & shiny brown brogue shoes. He could for all the world have been someone's favourite uncle, that is until he opened his mouth.
He & others around him, many again who must have been at least in their forties, spent 80% of the game chanting & slavering " Paedo's, paedo's...", making hand gestures to the Rotherham supporters who responded likewise. We're not talking about teenagers here, but actual grown men who 'pretended' they wanted to 'get at' the opposing fans. It would have been farcical if it wasn't for the pervasive feeling of hatred, pure hatred towards people who as my brother remarked, could well work in the same factory, would they dream of acting that way in any other forum?
A young boy, who can't have been more than 10 years old, joined his dad in the 'Paedo chant'. I very much doubt he even knew what he was chanting...but his dad did.
It continued as we left the ground with a woman who I would guess was in her thirties, screaming "Paedo's, F*****G PAEDO'S!"
The result & the way it came about was bad enough, but to have to walk through that. Are these representatives of my club? We're they hurting as much as me & my brother?
It was vitriolic, sickening, disgusting, horrible filthy & way unnecessary. Shame on them.
It made me long for 'my' pop side.
Colin, that’s a great post and my feelings reciprocated. Do these morons love the club we follow through thick and thin as much as we do. I don’t think so. In fact I know they don’t. One bloke behind me didn’t even know the name of some of our players. They are a disgrace to the club and to football in general. It wouldn’t surprise me if a couple of hundred at the match yesterday nave not been to a home match this season and some never.
The were only at Rotherham for trouble. A sad indightment of society. We have to a smaller degree i’m afraid back to the 70’s and 80’s
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I've been supporting Rovers since I was 12 years old, I'm now in my sixties.
I've been to many, many away games. I've had my scarf ripped from my neck at Mansfield in the late 70's whilst walking to the ground with my elder brother, his young daughter & my younger sister, by two spotty teenagers egged on by a beer garden full of Mansfield fans. What do you do? You let it go of course.
I've been on one of the many Leeds buses taking fans from Elland Road back into Leeds after the game, a game SOD's side won 1-0 that day, a day we dominated & Copps took the p**s out of their right back right in front of Dennis Wise's dug out, twisting & turning him in knots, the right back not Dennis Wise (although I suspect both would apply!). Me & my younger brother were going back into Leeds to catch our train back to Keighley, where we both have lived locally for some 40+ years. We sat on the top deck of that bus, full of Leeds fans, our 'colours' carefully hidden & listened to Irish, cockney,Scottish accents as they 'wailed' as one, "how could we lose to that lot?". Well you had & oh how we smiled 'inside'.
But yesterday I witnessed something that was...let's just call it unpalatable for now, then I would welcome anybody's comments.
I love football, no, I mean I really, really love football. Doncaster Rovers are more than just 'my club', they have been The Golden Thread that has run through the tapestry of my life, for so many reasons.
So I have been at many, nay most of the highs & lows that the journey with my club, Doncaster Rovers, have taken me on. As a young man on the 'pop side' at Belle Vue, I have stood chanting & singing until I was hoarse. As we beat Barnsley 3-0 at Belle Vue with Dave Penny's 'team', I have even started a chant of "Brazil, it's just like watching Brazil..." a song 'stolen' from Barnsley as they free fell from the Premiership.
I was 'an angry young man' in the eighties as Maggie crushed the miners into submission. So yeah, I 'got' the chants of "Scab, scab, scab" whenever we played a club from Nottinghamshire. I didn't join in, but I could understand it. Football is 'tribal' & that tribalism manifests itself at football grounds all over the world, I 'understand' that.
And so back to yesterday. First & foremost let me be clear, that penalty was like a dagger. I couldn't speak to my brother sat next to me. I kind of 'went into myself'. It's so painful it's almost physical. Heart, soul & body laid out bare to be 'trampled on'.
But, throughout the game & afterwards walking back to our car, I witnessed what I can only describe as animalistic behaviour from those 'stood' around me. When I ordered my ticket I was asked "Do you want the quiet section or the noisy section?" "Quiet please". We ended up with tickets on Row P, three rows from the back. The two rows in front of us stood throughout. Directly in front was a bloke in I would say, his late fifties. Dressed in a beige woollen jumper, brown corduroy trousers & shiny brown brogue shoes. He could for all the world have been someone's favourite uncle, that is until he opened his mouth.
He & others around him, many again who must have been at least in their forties, spent 80% of the game chanting & slavering " Paedo's, paedo's...", making hand gestures to the Rotherham supporters who responded likewise. We're not talking about teenagers here, but actual grown men who 'pretended' they wanted to 'get at' the opposing fans. It would have been farcical if it wasn't for the pervasive feeling of hatred, pure hatred towards people who as my brother remarked, could well work in the same factory, would they dream of acting that way in any other forum?
A young boy, who can't have been more than 10 years old, joined his dad in the 'Paedo chant'. I very much doubt he even knew what he was chanting...but his dad did.
It continued as we left the ground with a woman who I would guess was in her thirties, screaming "Paedo's, F*****G PAEDO'S!"
The result & the way it came about was bad enough, but to have to walk through that. Are these representatives of my club? We're they hurting as much as me & my brother?
It was vitriolic, sickening, disgusting, horrible filthy & way unnecessary. Shame on them.
It made me long for 'my' pop side.
Colin, that’s a great post and my feelings reciprocated. Do these morons love the club we follow through thick and thin as much as we do. I don’t think so. In fact I know they don’t. One bloke behind me didn’t even know the name of some of our players. They are a disgrace to the club and to football in general. It wouldn’t surprise me if a couple of hundred at the match yesterday nave not been to a home match this season and some never.
The were only at Rotherham for trouble. A sad indightment of society. We have to a smaller degree i’m afraid back to the 70’s and 80’s
That is an overreaction to draw parrellels with the 70's and 80's!
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You are describing society in general here, not just some of our fans.
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I've been supporting Rovers since I was 12 years old, I'm now in my sixties.
I've been to many, many away games. I've had my scarf ripped from my neck at Mansfield in the late 70's whilst walking to the ground with my elder brother, his young daughter & my younger sister, by two spotty teenagers egged on by a beer garden full of Mansfield fans. What do you do? You let it go of course.
I've been on one of the many Leeds buses taking fans from Elland Road back into Leeds after the game, a game SOD's side won 1-0 that day, a day we dominated & Copps took the p**s out of their right back right in front of Dennis Wise's dug out, twisting & turning him in knots, the right back not Dennis Wise (although I suspect both would apply!). Me & my younger brother were going back into Leeds to catch our train back to Keighley, where we both have lived locally for some 40+ years. We sat on the top deck of that bus, full of Leeds fans, our 'colours' carefully hidden & listened to Irish, cockney,Scottish accents as they 'wailed' as one, "how could we lose to that lot?". Well you had & oh how we smiled 'inside'.
But yesterday I witnessed something that was...let's just call it unpalatable for now, then I would welcome anybody's comments.
I love football, no, I mean I really, really love football. Doncaster Rovers are more than just 'my club', they have been The Golden Thread that has run through the tapestry of my life, for so many reasons.
So I have been at many, nay most of the highs & lows that the journey with my club, Doncaster Rovers, have taken me on. As a young man on the 'pop side' at Belle Vue, I have stood chanting & singing until I was hoarse. As we beat Barnsley 3-0 at Belle Vue with Dave Penny's 'team', I have even started a chant of "Brazil, it's just like watching Brazil..." a song 'stolen' from Barnsley as they free fell from the Premiership.
I was 'an angry young man' in the eighties as Maggie crushed the miners into submission. So yeah, I 'got' the chants of "Scab, scab, scab" whenever we played a club from Nottinghamshire. I didn't join in, but I could understand it. Football is 'tribal' & that tribalism manifests itself at football grounds all over the world, I 'understand' that.
And so back to yesterday. First & foremost let me be clear, that penalty was like a dagger. I couldn't speak to my brother sat next to me. I kind of 'went into myself'. It's so painful it's almost physical. Heart, soul & body laid out bare to be 'trampled on'.
But, throughout the game & afterwards walking back to our car, I witnessed what I can only describe as animalistic behaviour from those 'stood' around me. When I ordered my ticket I was asked "Do you want the quiet section or the noisy section?" "Quiet please". We ended up with tickets on Row P, three rows from the back. The two rows in front of us stood throughout. Directly in front was a bloke in I would say, his late fifties. Dressed in a beige woollen jumper, brown corduroy trousers & shiny brown brogue shoes. He could for all the world have been someone's favourite uncle, that is until he opened his mouth.
He & others around him, many again who must have been at least in their forties, spent 80% of the game chanting & slavering " Paedo's, paedo's...", making hand gestures to the Rotherham supporters who responded likewise. We're not talking about teenagers here, but actual grown men who 'pretended' they wanted to 'get at' the opposing fans. It would have been farcical if it wasn't for the pervasive feeling of hatred, pure hatred towards people who as my brother remarked, could well work in the same factory, would they dream of acting that way in any other forum?
A young boy, who can't have been more than 10 years old, joined his dad in the 'Paedo chant'. I very much doubt he even knew what he was chanting...but his dad did.
It continued as we left the ground with a woman who I would guess was in her thirties, screaming "Paedo's, F*****G PAEDO'S!"
The result & the way it came about was bad enough, but to have to walk through that. Are these representatives of my club? We're they hurting as much as me & my brother?
It was vitriolic, sickening, disgusting, horrible filthy & way unnecessary. Shame on them.
It made me long for 'my' pop side.
Colin, that’s a great post and my feelings reciprocated. Do these morons love the club we follow through thick and thin as much as we do. I don’t think so. In fact I know they don’t. One bloke behind me didn’t even know the name of some of our players. They are a disgrace to the club and to football in general. It wouldn’t surprise me if a couple of hundred at the match yesterday nave not been to a home match this season and some never.
The were only at Rotherham for trouble. A sad indightment of society. We have to a smaller degree i’m afraid back to the 70’s and 80’s
That is an overreaction to draw parrellels with the 70's and 80's!
I did say “ to a smaller degree” to be fair.
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You are describing society in general here, not just some of our fans.
If that's correct, it's a sad reflection on our society.
Perhaps I should have headed the topic 'Acceptable or unacceptable?'
I don't know if you're a dad GazLaz but if you are, would you have 'subjected ' your kids to such an 'environment' & if so, how do we/you explain to them what is unacceptable?
And no weisback, I wasn't & didn't generalise every Mansfield fan as a scab, nor did I join in those chants, because they are not 'football related'. What I said was, I understood where those chants were 'coming from' in a political climate that saw whole communities 'die'. The Manfield 'fan' who nicked my scarf all those years ago wasn't a scab because he lived in the 'Nottinghamshire Pit Area', he was simply a little nob egged on by a larger group.
And thanks silent majority, you 'get' what my post was trying to get across. As I say, these weren't 'young kids', they were fully grown, 'mature examples' of our species, both male & female & even more alarmingly, at least one I witnessed with their offspring in tow spouting the same inane profanity's.
I'm no 'wimp'. I spent my late teens, early twenties living & working in both Newcastle & Sunderland. You had to learn very quickly there to become either savvy or fodder. I learnt how to 'read the signs', when to back off & when to 'front up'. I've been kicked unconscious, spent nights in cells but I wouldn't change a thing. Those days were a good grounding for me. I met some fantastic characters who unwittingly 'helped' make me the person I am today
It wasn't a nice experience having to be amongst those I found around me (90% of whom wore no 'colours'). They were sick, sad people that I didn't want around me. I feel sorry for those who have to live with them as neighbours.
I had to get this off my chest, I'm actually surprised how much it affected me. Enough to come on here & 'tell the tale'.
Off to spend Sunday night now with my wife now watching something on TV she would describe as "It just washes over you". I think that's the 'tonic' I need.
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On the train on the way to Rotherham the young lads were chanting the usual stuff.
There were two quite old couples among us who wanted to get off the train at Conisborough but when the train stopped the doors didn’t open.
Someone tapped on the drivers door( from inside the carriage) and shouted to him that “ two old couples need to be off here driver”.
A young Rovers fan shouted out “f**k em, tough shit” .
Really nice eh?
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I have to agree with the opening post, I too have been a rovers fan for many years (30+) and thought some our fans behaviour was nothing less than appalling. I asked to sit in a none singing area and was sat on row C which I thought would be perfect for my dad who is recovering from a double hip replacement but no, we had a group of young foul monthed idiots stood in front of us. Shouting peado c***s every 5 mins and not once singing in support of the team and spoiling for a fight with the stewards and security staff. My dad didn’t get to see much of the first half and stood in second half so he could see which coursed immense discomfort. The intelligence of these people probably did know anything about the scandal that occurred in Rotherham and the harm this caused to the victims. I’ve never seen these Moran’s at Rovers games before home or away and don’t want to have the misfortune to see them again. Why can’t our fans just support the club and behave.
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A smoke bomb dropped right in front of us and ruined a lads coat saw at least 3 of those go off. Makes you wonder how they got through search
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I didn't enjoy yesterday and am liking away games less and less, for many of the reasons discussed in the opening post.
Too many imbeciles acting like absolute d**kheads, I don't understand the appeal in it. I was fortunate to avoid any bother and was sat on the far left side of the stand so away from any commotion, but overall the journey to/from the game and aspects of being at the match itself were not at all enjoyable and it's not the first time I've felt that way travelling to an away game.
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I have to agree with the opening post, I too have been a rovers fan for many years (30+) and thought some our fans behaviour was nothing less than appalling. I asked to sit in a none singing area and was sat on row C which I thought would be perfect for my dad who is recovering from a double hip replacement but no, we had a group of young foul monthed idiots stood in front of us. Shouting peado c***s every 5 mins and not once singing in support of the team and spoiling for a fight with the stewards and security staff. My dad didn’t get to see much of the first half and stood in second half so he could see which coursed immense discomfort. The intelligence of these people probably did know anything about the scandal that occurred in Rotherham and the harm this caused to the victims. I’ve never seen these Moran’s at Rovers games before home or away and don’t want to have the misfortune to see them again. Why can’t our fans just support the club and behave.
Absolutely agree. I’ve been going away with the rovers for over a decade now and I’ve never seen anything like that debacle coming out of the away end yesterday. Grown men in their 50s and 60s standing at the top of that walk way pointing at our fans and asking them to fight, it’s pathetic, immature, and embarrassing. The penalty at the end was excruciating, but it was coming. It was wave after wave from Rotherham in the closing stages. And as for the whole “Peado” chants scenario, it’s not a term people should be throwing around lightly. It’s obviously tragic for the town because it has now put a huge negative stereotype on it, which envitably certain people are going to take advantage of. But you’ve potentially got a situation where a victim of the abuse scandal itself might be sat in the stands, the last thing they need to hear is a group of our fans chanting “you’re just a town full of Pedos”. I work in a Prison as a teacher and see how this term gets used and it’s no laughing matter.
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It’s no good us having a go at Leeds, Millwall, or other clubs ‘fans’ is it when we have all these imbaciles masquerading as Rovers fans.
We need to rid our club of them before we can have a go at other clubs problems.
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It’s no good us having a go at Leeds, Millwall, or other clubs ‘fans’ is it when we have all these imbaciles masquerading as Rovers fans.
We need to rid our club of them before we can have a go at other clubs problems.
not to diminish the activities of the cretinous minority yesterday, but i don't think its a reasonable comparison at all - it does no-one any good at all to give those knobs the perverse kudos of being listed alongside "properly" notorious and violent fans - as far as "ridding the club" of them, they'll be gone next week, and every week until we get leeds or wednesday or lincoln in a cup game...
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Its no different to liverpool fans giving it the big un over munich, or others reminding leeds supporters of Istanbul.
Where there is no sense - then there will be no class. These so called supporters have no class, and never will have.
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I agree. Last away game I went to was Grimsby away last season. Similar behaviour from our lot, however seeing fans of the same team fighting with each other (again, young lads unfortunately) was a disgrace. Ruined the day really
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Liverpool fans are the worst in the land or it
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You're a Manchester United fan so of course you'll say that.
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I've been supporting Rovers since I was 12 years old, I'm now in my sixties.
I've been to many, many away games. I've had my scarf ripped from my neck at Mansfield in the late 70's whilst walking to the ground with my elder brother, his young daughter & my younger sister, by two spotty teenagers egged on by a beer garden full of Mansfield fans. What do you do? You let it go of course.
I've been on one of the many Leeds buses taking fans from Elland Road back into Leeds after the game, a game SOD's side won 1-0 that day, a day we dominated & Copps took the p**s out of their right back right in front of Dennis Wise's dug out, twisting & turning him in knots, the right back not Dennis Wise (although I suspect both would apply!). Me & my younger brother were going back into Leeds to catch our train back to Keighley, where we both have lived locally for some 40+ years. We sat on the top deck of that bus, full of Leeds fans, our 'colours' carefully hidden & listened to Irish, cockney,Scottish accents as they 'wailed' as one, "how could we lose to that lot?". Well you had & oh how we smiled 'inside'.
But yesterday I witnessed something that was...let's just call it unpalatable for now, then I would welcome anybody's comments.
I love football, no, I mean I really, really love football. Doncaster Rovers are more than just 'my club', they have been The Golden Thread that has run through the tapestry of my life, for so many reasons.
So I have been at many, nay most of the highs & lows that the journey with my club, Doncaster Rovers, have taken me on. As a young man on the 'pop side' at Belle Vue, I have stood chanting & singing until I was hoarse. As we beat Barnsley 3-0 at Belle Vue with Dave Penny's 'team', I have even started a chant of "Brazil, it's just like watching Brazil..." a song 'stolen' from Barnsley as they free fell from the Premiership.
I was 'an angry young man' in the eighties as Maggie crushed the miners into submission. So yeah, I 'got' the chants of "Scab, scab, scab" whenever we played a club from Nottinghamshire. I didn't join in, but I could understand it. Football is 'tribal' & that tribalism manifests itself at football grounds all over the world, I 'understand' that.
And so back to yesterday. First & foremost let me be clear, that penalty was like a dagger. I couldn't speak to my brother sat next to me. I kind of 'went into myself'. It's so painful it's almost physical. Heart, soul & body laid out bare to be 'trampled on'.
But, throughout the game & afterwards walking back to our car, I witnessed what I can only describe as animalistic behaviour from those 'stood' around me. When I ordered my ticket I was asked "Do you want the quiet section or the noisy section?" "Quiet please". We ended up with tickets on Row P, three rows from the back. The two rows in front of us stood throughout. Directly in front was a bloke in I would say, his late fifties. Dressed in a beige woollen jumper, brown corduroy trousers & shiny brown brogue shoes. He could for all the world have been someone's favourite uncle, that is until he opened his mouth.
He & others around him, many again who must have been at least in their forties, spent 80% of the game chanting & slavering " Paedo's, paedo's...", making hand gestures to the Rotherham supporters who responded likewise. We're not talking about teenagers here, but actual grown men who 'pretended' they wanted to 'get at' the opposing fans. It would have been farcical if it wasn't for the pervasive feeling of hatred, pure hatred towards people who as my brother remarked, could well work in the same factory, would they dream of acting that way in any other forum?
A young boy, who can't have been more than 10 years old, joined his dad in the 'Paedo chant'. I very much doubt he even knew what he was chanting...but his dad did.
It continued as we left the ground with a woman who I would guess was in her thirties, screaming "Paedo's, F*****G PAEDO'S!"
The result & the way it came about was bad enough, but to have to walk through that. Are these representatives of my club? We're they hurting as much as me & my brother?
It was vitriolic, sickening, disgusting, horrible filthy & way unnecessary. Shame on them.
It made me long for 'my' pop side.
1I was sat just in front of you i think the man was vile and was proud of his son been as vile as him as well said on another post people like him should not be aloud children
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I wanted to calm down before I posted this so my response was measured and not reactive but I find myself getting angry just typing this!
Was just away from the ‘front row standers’ as I bought tickets to the right of the goal and in row A right at the front. My mum can’t stand up for very long so I always try to avoid anyone standing in front of her - doesn’t always work as at scunny every year but I do try. These ‘fans’ didn’t give a sh*t about those sitting in row B and should have known better as they were not all young lads (some were 30/40yr olds ffs!). Most of these ‘fans’ were too busy arguing with those behind them (who wanted to/had to sit) gesturing at the Rotherham fans and shouting/waving to their mates at the back to actually watch any football so I’m surprised they even knew the score!
At the end, after the penalty, a couple of young lads ran over trying to get on the pitch but were pushed back by a steward. One landed on my mum, standing on her feet and pushing himself up, making it worse. No apology from the fellow ‘rover’ but the steward did say “sorry love” to my mum. I managed to Grab hold of ‘fellow rover’, dragged him over and told him my thoughts, intending to smack the ignorant c*nt but deciding better of it as the steward did a grand job of forcing him & his mates away and I could do without a night in the cells. He was far too intent on abusing the stewards and i doubt he even realised i, or my mum, was there.
I’m pig sick of these ‘fans’ spoiling away days for real fans who actually want to watch the match. I can’t for the life of me understand why they bother except to live out some sort of fantasy of being a hard man and making up for their microscopic pr*cks. My mum insists she wants to carry on going to away games but I feel more like her minder nowadays and can’t enjoy it as I’m always looking out for her so she doesn’t get hurt. I wouldn’t dream of letting her go to away games without me as she’s 74, fragile with osteoporosis but loves watching rovers as she has for many years - and there is my dilemma. We continue going and :
1. She gets hurt and I end up locked up for GBH
2. We stop going to away games
3. These so called ‘fans’ start behaving like humans and less like feral pond life - if you want to stand, don’t stand right at the f*ck*ng front stupid, selfish, ignorant c*nts!
4. They go and find another sport where they can act out their fantasies - maybe take up cage fighting/boxing? Oh yes, that would take some degree of intelligence and guts! They’d rather abuse at a distance or the elderly!
They won’t be happy until they force the older, quieter fans to stay at home on awaydays so they can create an ‘atmosphere’ and set off their fireworks. Well, they certainly created a toxic atmosphere on more than one level!
Well done! You must be very proud!
:headbang:
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I wanted to calm down before I posted this so my response was measured and not reactive but I find myself getting angry just typing this!
Was just away from the ‘front row standers’ as I bought tickets to the right of the goal and in row A right at the front. My mum can’t stand up for very long so I always try to avoid anyone standing in front of her - doesn’t always work as at scunny every year but I do try. These ‘fans’ didn’t give a sh*t about those sitting in row B and should have known better as they were not all young lads (some were 30/40yr olds ffs!). Most of these ‘fans’ were too busy arguing with those behind them (who wanted to/had to sit) gesturing at the Rotherham fans and shouting/waving to their mates at the back to actually watch any football so I’m surprised they even knew the score!
At the end, after the penalty, a couple of young lads ran over trying to get on the pitch but were pushed back by a steward. One landed on my mum, standing on her feet and pushing himself up, making it worse. No apology from the fellow ‘rover’ but the steward did say “sorry love” to my mum. I managed to Grab hold of ‘fellow rover’, dragged him over and told him my thoughts, intending to smack the ignorant c*nt but deciding better of it as the steward did a grand job of forcing him & his mates away and I could do without a night in the cells. He was far too intent on abusing the stewards and i doubt he even realised i, or my mum, was there.
I’m pig sick of these ‘fans’ spoiling away days for real fans who actually want to watch the match. I can’t for the life of me understand why they bother except to live out some sort of fantasy of being a hard man and making up for their microscopic pr*cks. My mum insists she wants to carry on going to away games but I feel more like her minder nowadays and can’t enjoy it as I’m always looking out for her so she doesn’t get hurt. I wouldn’t dream of letting her go to away games without me as she’s 74, fragile with osteoporosis but loves watching rovers as she has for many years - and there is my dilemma. We continue going and :
1. She gets hurt and I end up locked up for GBH
2. We stop going to away games
3. These so called ‘fans’ start behaving like humans and less like feral pond life - if you want to stand, don’t stand right at the f*ck*ng front stupid, selfish, ignorant c*nts!
4. They go and find another sport where they can act out their fantasies - maybe take up cage fighting/boxing? Oh yes, that would take some degree of intelligence and guts! They’d rather abuse at a distance or the elderly!
They won’t be happy until they force the older, quieter fans to stay at home on awaydays so they can create an ‘atmosphere’ and set off their fireworks. Well, they certainly created a toxic atmosphere on more than one level!
Well done! You must be very proud!
:headbang:
Fortunately the vast majority of these nutters do not travel to any away games more than about 70/80 miles away. For example we had no trouble at Shrewsbury, Northampton, Walsall, Fleetwood, even at Rochdale (60 miles) but that was a Tues night match. It’s mainly the local derby’s they turn up for. Most are not even at any home games.
LincsRover do not let them drive you away, or they have won. We are the supporters of our great club.
NOT THEM
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Just to touch on a point somebody made higher up the thread...how f**king stupid do you have to be to throw a reasonably heavy object into a crowd of people?! I saw at least 2 smoke bombs and 1 pop bottle (which looked to be half full) thrown from the back into the front few rows of our stand. I imagine something like that on the head from that kind of height can do some serious damage. Mind...if you're dumb enough to think letting one off in a crowd of people is a good idea then I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
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Just to touch on a point somebody made higher up the thread...how f**king stupid do you have to be to throw a reasonably heavy object into a crowd of people?! I saw at least 2 smoke bombs and 1 pop bottle (which looked to be half full) thrown from the back into the front few rows of our stand. I imagine something like that on the head from that kind of height can do some serious damage. Mind...if you're dumb enough to think letting one off in a crowd of people is a good idea then I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
You should have seen some of the bricks the Rotherham fan's were chucking in the home fixture on the walk back to town, down near the alleyway. Game over for anyone if it hit their head. Morons.
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I agree with you, Campsall. I've been to Northampton, Oxford, Shrewsbury and Walsall this season in addition to Saturday's game. Not a hint of bad behaviour. I doubt most of the worst offenders will be at the Keepmoat this Saturday either.
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Rotherham and bricks.
About ten years ago I was in the train from Donny back to home in Sheffield. The train that doesn’t stop at every station, so it was doing 40-50mph going through Masbororough.
For some reason which I’ll never understand, I bent over to look at my phone on the table, rather than pick my phone up to my face. As I did, a housebrick came through the window, showered me with glass, passed between the back of my head and the upright of the seat and smashed the window on the other side of the aisle.
If I’d not leant forward seconds before, it would have taken my head off, no question. Imagine the effect of a brick hitting your head at 50mph. Or actually, don’t imagine it because it still gives me nightmares to this day.
I cannot begin to comprehend the sort of upbringing that produces a kid or a teenager who has so little concept of responsibility that they would pick up a brick and chuck it at a speeding train. Or what sort of adult they have grown into.
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I definitely think there's a general deterioration of 'standards' in society. Manners, respect, tolerance and a social responsibility. It's all me, me, me now and don't give a flying f**k about anyone or anything else and someone will clear up the sh*t afterwards.
Let's be right, there's always been d**kheads, teenage angst etc, etc, but there was respect knowing your place, and being prepared to take the consequences if you got it wrong.
I can't see anything improving soon and god help us, if these morons are the next generation of parents.
Thankfully there's still enough 'good' people about to enjoy occasions like Saturday overall but it's getting harder to remain tolerant.
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It is tribal /societal . I have lived outside Uk for 50 years and have not encountered such phenomena in the social environments in Belgium France and Italy and Spain . There are other issues which polarise tribal behaviour in football in those countries too but it is not so crassly vulgar.
Why are rugby crowds in UK so different in their behaviour too ; an interesting issue .
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I wouldn’t get dewy eyed about the past. The lad who lived next door to me 40 years ago used to drop bricks off a bridge over the Don onto the old disco boat. Another lad at 15 ripped a school bus seat base off its mountngs and threw it out the window onto a car. There’s always been sociopathic kids in every society.
I do think there were structures in place to tame the wild ones as they grew up. The pit, the union, the miners’ welfare and working men’s clubs, the associated sports teams. They gave a structure and a discipline. Gave people opportunities to work and play and learn discipline and reward. And threatened a clip round the f**king ear hole if you acted like a prick. Those structures have mostly evaporated now and I’m not sure that Twitter and Facebook are replacing them in a positive way.
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Twitter and Facebook only give an opportunity for other sociopaths to egg the buggers on.
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It is tribal /societal . I have lived outside Uk for 50 years and have not encountered such phenomena in the social environments in Belgium France and Italy and Spain . There are other issues which polarise tribal behaviour in football in those countries too but it is not so crassly vulgar.
Why are rugby crowds in UK so different in their behaviour too ; an interesting issue .
Agreed with the differences with the rugby crowds. My brother and I were at Murrayfiled on Saturday, both wearing England shirts. We were the only English fans in our area and were vocally supporting England, singing Swing Low and so on, and didn't have any trouble whatsoever. After the game we even shook hands with 7-8 people around us who we'd had a bit of back and forth with before the game. Both before and after the game we must have been in 6-7 different pubs with mostly Scotland fans but plenty of English, as well as a few Welsh & Irish fans, and it was great fun.
I don't like the generalisation that there seems to be that football fans are thugs and rugby fans are gentlemen, but my experience on Saturday seemingly couldn't be more different to those posting on this thread.
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Good for you. It is pleasant to visit Castle Park for exactly that reason. No unpleasantness but you can still be Partisan
They call the Ref sir as well - something I can never do at Rovers games. (usually begins with a K if anyone does not sit within earshot of U641)
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There's a marked difference in which match you attend. An away game in a provincial backwater, the rowdiest thing you see is a gnome being passed around. Bigger away games and you get marginals coked up to the rooftop who only usually exit their mother's basement to collect tab-ends.
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I definitely think there's a general deterioration of 'standards' in society. Manners, respect, tolerance and a social responsibility. It's all me, me, me now and don't give a flying f**k about anyone or anything else and someone will clear up the sh*t afterwards.
Let's be right, there's always been d**kheads, teenage angst etc, etc, but there was respect knowing your place, and being prepared to take the consequences if you got it wrong.
I can't see anything improving soon and god help us, if these morons are the next generation of parents.
Thankfully there's still enough 'good' people about to enjoy occasions like Saturday overall but it's getting harder to remain tolerant.
The problem is as you say Respect. It’s gone. No discipline in the home, no discipline at school.
That is not all homes or all schools of course. But if parents don’t draw a line at home as to what is acceptable behaviour and language then those kids will not grow up knowing what is right and what is wrong. It starts in the home and society has gone soft. If children are allowed a free for all by their parents as so many are today then they grow up not having any respect for them and consequently absolutely no respect for any other people or their possessions.
It is a society problem and football is used as platform to show off all their indiscipline to the maximum. Tribalism in all its glory.
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Been reading this thread with a keen interest and having just walked 9 miles in snow flurries I consider my mind is clear enough to offer my 2 penath. Right, Rovers regular since circa '76, season ticket holder since 1998 (that was a statement of defiance facing the prospect of the conference and also the year I acquired my 1 and only tattoo, the Rovers badge). I attended the NYS with my 22 yr old son and an armchair Leeds fan who is a close relative of a current Rovers player, I regret to add that my 19 yr old son who had held a season tkt since age 3 has not attended a Rovers game since Barnsley away 2 seasons ago where the antics of Rovers 'fans' simply embarrassed him to the point Rovers have lost him for good. Anyhow, the game on Satdi, having regularly baited said Rovers relative for many years over the vagaries of the significant minority at Leeds, I was left dumbfounded, exasperated and truly embarrassed at what I witnessed. From the mother/grandmother (It can be difficult to know with some families) who actively encouraged primary aged boys and girls to participate in the vile invective (yes including the pedo offerings), to the mid 30s idiot who kicked the backs of seats and spat vile abuse at any who dare reason with him including a gent who was trying to protect his 8ish yr old son from the worst of the excess, to the utterly mindless d**khead who proudly proclaimed that alcohol sales were being withdrawn 'because they can't handle us'. In fact as my son was very succinct in his observation that the opposite was actually the case and it was because far too large a minority were unable to handle/conduct themselves and so for their own and others safety no more booze. They were treat like children because they were behaving like spoiled children. I am far from a prude, despite attending uni I cut my teeth in Dunscroft, Hatfield, Stainy, Thorne and Armthorpe. I have never been a fighter, preferring to rely on my wit and humour and have raised my lads the same way. So how do I explain to this armchair fan who was beginning to see the light that those scenes were not the norm. i'm totally gutted and given my elder sons reaction to the events something needs to change quickly or others will lose the faith :rtid:
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If they were all youths/teenagers I could understand and potentially forgive - we all get older and many grow up responsibly. However many of the venom spitting, selfish, ignorant b*st*rds we’re over 30, some I’d say over 40/50 as well. With them showing the younger ones how to behave I despair that it will only get worse.
I hate to sound like my dad, but if we ended up in another WW2 we’d be f*ck*d as a nation because there are too many selfish, state reliant wasters who just wouldn’t turn up. My war hero grandad must be doing somersaults in his grave having won freedom for these pr*cks to live lives unshackled from any responsibility and common decency.
I note the lack of the usual defenders of such behaviour - the “stand and sing all game or don’t bother turning up, even if you’ve supported rovers for 50years” brigade. Perhaps some of them are starting to see that behaviour like this is just not normal! One can only hope but I won’t be holding my breath!
:rolleyes:
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Except there has to be some defense, LincsRover, because these people don't represent the club. As a number of the critical posters on this thread have pointed out - some of these faces have not been seen at a rovers game before and probably never again. I encountered the same at the first game of last season at Accrington. Some absolute nob cheese giving Etheridge absolute dogs abuse from 2 meters away - a guy I've never seen at a rovers game before or since.
And let's not associate the actions of some mongrels with standing. Two different debates.
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I've stopped going, can't be doing with people barging my 9 year old boy into a concrete wall so that they can get out if the stadium 5 seconds quicker.
That and the in fighting and also what's been posted above.
The funny banter has gone, it's just constant abuse of anyone and everyone. Not my idea of fun so I don't waste money on it now.
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If they were all youths/teenagers I could understand and potentially forgive - we all get older and many grow up responsibly. However many of the venom spitting, selfish, ignorant b*st*rds we’re over 30, some I’d say over 40/50 as well. With them showing the younger ones how to behave I despair that it will only get worse.
I hate to sound like my dad, but if we ended up in another WW2 we’d be f*ck*d as a nation because there are too many selfish, state reliant wasters who just wouldn’t turn up. My war hero grandad must be doing somersaults in his grave having won freedom for these pr*cks to live lives unshackled from any responsibility and common decency.
I note the lack of the usual defenders of such behaviour - the “stand and sing all game or don’t bother turning up, even if you’ve supported rovers for 50years” brigade. Perhaps some of them are starting to see that behaviour like this is just not normal! One can only hope but I won’t be holding my breath!
:rolleyes:
Despite what everyone thinks about Millwall due to the odd bit of agg in the past, this wouldn't have happened at our games because we have respect for each other and if anyone didn't then we'd sort it out amongst ourselves.
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If they were all youths/teenagers I could understand and potentially forgive - we all get older and many grow up responsibly. However many of the venom spitting, selfish, ignorant b*st*rds we’re over 30, some I’d say over 40/50 as well. With them showing the younger ones how to behave I despair that it will only get worse.
I hate to sound like my dad, but if we ended up in another WW2 we’d be f*ck*d as a nation because there are too many selfish, state reliant wasters who just wouldn’t turn up. My war hero grandad must be doing somersaults in his grave having won freedom for these pr*cks to live lives unshackled from any responsibility and common decency.
I note the lack of the usual defenders of such behaviour - the “stand and sing all game or don’t bother turning up, even if you’ve supported rovers for 50years” brigade. Perhaps some of them are starting to see that behaviour like this is just not normal! One can only hope but I won’t be holding my breath!
:rolleyes:
Despite what everyone thinks about Millwall due to the odd bit of agg in the past, this wouldn't have happened at our games because we have respect for each other and if anyone didn't then we'd sort it out amongst ourselves.
Bullshit.
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If they were all youths/teenagers I could understand and potentially forgive - we all get older and many grow up responsibly. However many of the venom spitting, selfish, ignorant b*st*rds we’re over 30, some I’d say over 40/50 as well. With them showing the younger ones how to behave I despair that it will only get worse.
I hate to sound like my dad, but if we ended up in another WW2 we’d be f*ck*d as a nation because there are too many selfish, state reliant wasters who just wouldn’t turn up. My war hero grandad must be doing somersaults in his grave having won freedom for these pr*cks to live lives unshackled from any responsibility and common decency.
I note the lack of the usual defenders of such behaviour - the “stand and sing all game or don’t bother turning up, even if you’ve supported rovers for 50years” brigade. Perhaps some of them are starting to see that behaviour like this is just not normal! One can only hope but I won’t be holding my breath!
:rolleyes:
Despite what everyone thinks about Millwall due to the odd bit of agg in the past, this wouldn't have happened at our games because we have respect for each other and if anyone didn't then we'd sort it out amongst ourselves.
Bullshit.
So how many Wall away matches have you been to? I'm writing of my personal experience not what i've been told on Sky or read in the Sun.
Believe what you want. My Mrs used to think the same as you due to all the tales about us but she was amazed at how well behaved and polite most people were when i eventually dragged her to a game, apart from the swearing and stuff.
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If they were all youths/teenagers I could understand and potentially forgive - we all get older and many grow up responsibly. However many of the venom spitting, selfish, ignorant b*st*rds we’re over 30, some I’d say over 40/50 as well. With them showing the younger ones how to behave I despair that it will only get worse.
I hate to sound like my dad, but if we ended up in another WW2 we’d be f*ck*d as a nation because there are too many selfish, state reliant wasters who just wouldn’t turn up. My war hero grandad must be doing somersaults in his grave having won freedom for these pr*cks to live lives unshackled from any responsibility and common decency.
I note the lack of the usual defenders of such behaviour - the “stand and sing all game or don’t bother turning up, even if you’ve supported rovers for 50years” brigade. Perhaps some of them are starting to see that behaviour like this is just not normal! One can only hope but I won’t be holding my breath!
:rolleyes:
Despite what everyone thinks about Millwall due to the odd bit of agg in the past, this wouldn't have happened at our games because we have respect for each other and if anyone didn't then we'd sort it out amongst ourselves.
Bullshit.
So how many Wall away matches have you been to? I'm writing of my personal experience not what i've been told on Sky or read in the Sun.
Believe what you want. My Mrs used to think the same as you due to all the tales about us but she was amazed at how well behaved and polite most people were when i eventually dragged her to a game, apart from the swearing and stuff.
Did you drag her by her hair, with a club in your other hand? 😀
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If they were all youths/teenagers I could understand and potentially forgive - we all get older and many grow up responsibly. However many of the venom spitting, selfish, ignorant b*st*rds we’re over 30, some I’d say over 40/50 as well. With them showing the younger ones how to behave I despair that it will only get worse.
I hate to sound like my dad, but if we ended up in another WW2 we’d be f*ck*d as a nation because there are too many selfish, state reliant wasters who just wouldn’t turn up. My war hero grandad must be doing somersaults in his grave having won freedom for these pr*cks to live lives unshackled from any responsibility and common decency.
I note the lack of the usual defenders of such behaviour - the “stand and sing all game or don’t bother turning up, even if you’ve supported rovers for 50years” brigade. Perhaps some of them are starting to see that behaviour like this is just not normal! One can only hope but I won’t be holding my breath!
:rolleyes:
Despite what everyone thinks about Millwall due to the odd bit of agg in the past, this wouldn't have happened at our games because we have respect for each other and if anyone didn't then we'd sort it out amongst ourselves.
Bullshit.
So how many Wall away matches have you been to? I'm writing of my personal experience not what i've been told on Sky or read in the Sun.
Believe what you want. My Mrs used to think the same as you due to all the tales about us but she was amazed at how well behaved and polite most people were when i eventually dragged her to a game, apart from the swearing and stuff.
Did you drag her by her hair, with a club in your other hand? 😀
How did you know that?
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If they were all youths/teenagers I could understand and potentially forgive - we all get older and many grow up responsibly. However many of the venom spitting, selfish, ignorant b*st*rds we’re over 30, some I’d say over 40/50 as well. With them showing the younger ones how to behave I despair that it will only get worse.
I hate to sound like my dad, but if we ended up in another WW2 we’d be f*ck*d as a nation because there are too many selfish, state reliant wasters who just wouldn’t turn up. My war hero grandad must be doing somersaults in his grave having won freedom for these pr*cks to live lives unshackled from any responsibility and common decency.
I note the lack of the usual defenders of such behaviour - the “stand and sing all game or don’t bother turning up, even if you’ve supported rovers for 50years” brigade. Perhaps some of them are starting to see that behaviour like this is just not normal! One can only hope but I won’t be holding my breath!
:rolleyes:
Despite what everyone thinks about Millwall due to the odd bit of agg in the past, this wouldn't have happened at our games because we have respect for each other and if anyone didn't then we'd sort it out amongst ourselves.
Bullshit.
So how many Wall away matches have you been to? I'm writing of my personal experience not what i've been told on Sky or read in the Sun.
Believe what you want. My Mrs used to think the same as you due to all the tales about us but she was amazed at how well behaved and polite most people were when i eventually dragged her to a game, apart from the swearing and stuff.
Did you drag her by her hair, with a club in your other hand? 😀
How did you know that?
An educated guess
I remember the Millwall Bushwackers
https://youtu.be/vKoYjOGOzXQ
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If they were all youths/teenagers I could understand and potentially forgive - we all get older and many grow up responsibly. However many of the venom spitting, selfish, ignorant b*st*rds we’re over 30, some I’d say over 40/50 as well. With them showing the younger ones how to behave I despair that it will only get worse.
I hate to sound like my dad, but if we ended up in another WW2 we’d be f*ck*d as a nation because there are too many selfish, state reliant wasters who just wouldn’t turn up. My war hero grandad must be doing somersaults in his grave having won freedom for these pr*cks to live lives unshackled from any responsibility and common decency.
I note the lack of the usual defenders of such behaviour - the “stand and sing all game or don’t bother turning up, even if you’ve supported rovers for 50years” brigade. Perhaps some of them are starting to see that behaviour like this is just not normal! One can only hope but I won’t be holding my breath!
:rolleyes:
Despite what everyone thinks about Millwall due to the odd bit of agg in the past, this wouldn't have happened at our games because we have respect for each other and if anyone didn't then we'd sort it out amongst ourselves.
Bullshit.
So how many Wall away matches have you been to? I'm writing of my personal experience not what i've been told on Sky or read in the Sun.
Believe what you want. My Mrs used to think the same as you due to all the tales about us but she was amazed at how well behaved and polite most people were when i eventually dragged her to a game, apart from the swearing and stuff.
Did you drag her by her hair, with a club in your other hand? 😀
How did you know that?
An educated guess
I remember the Millwall Bushwackers
https://youtu.be/vKoYjOGOzXQ
A long time ago now. There's still an intimidating atmosphere from the fans, but that's all it is nowadays.
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If they were all youths/teenagers I could understand and potentially forgive - we all get older and many grow up responsibly. However many of the venom spitting, selfish, ignorant b*st*rds we’re over 30, some I’d say over 40/50 as well. With them showing the younger ones how to behave I despair that it will only get worse.
I hate to sound like my dad, but if we ended up in another WW2 we’d be f*ck*d as a nation because there are too many selfish, state reliant wasters who just wouldn’t turn up. My war hero grandad must be doing somersaults in his grave having won freedom for these pr*cks to live lives unshackled from any responsibility and common decency.
I note the lack of the usual defenders of such behaviour - the “stand and sing all game or don’t bother turning up, even if you’ve supported rovers for 50years” brigade. Perhaps some of them are starting to see that behaviour like this is just not normal! One can only hope but I won’t be holding my breath!
:rolleyes:
Despite what everyone thinks about Millwall due to the odd bit of agg in the past, this wouldn't have happened at our games because we have respect for each other and if anyone didn't then we'd sort it out amongst ourselves.
Bullshit.
So how many Wall away matches have you been to? I'm writing of my personal experience not what i've been told on Sky or read in the Sun.
Believe what you want. My Mrs used to think the same as you due to all the tales about us but she was amazed at how well behaved and polite most people were when i eventually dragged her to a game, apart from the swearing and stuff.
Go on then, tell us all how effective the self-policing of the use of smoke bombs is going.
Oh, and would the 'swearing and stuff' that it seems you're not too worried about include the shouting of 'paedo' that you also seemed not to be worried about in that thread you started?
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Axholme Lion wasn’t it Millwall fans fighting like f**k amongst themselves at Wembley a couple of years ago ?
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Axholme Lion wasn’t it Millwall fans fighting like f**k amongst themselves at Wembley a couple of years ago ?
Day trippers probably. Not likely to be the type to go to Hull or the like on a Tuesday night.
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If they were all youths/teenagers I could understand and potentially forgive - we all get older and many grow up responsibly. However many of the venom spitting, selfish, ignorant b*st*rds we’re over 30, some I’d say over 40/50 as well. With them showing the younger ones how to behave I despair that it will only get worse.
I hate to sound like my dad, but if we ended up in another WW2 we’d be f*ck*d as a nation because there are too many selfish, state reliant wasters who just wouldn’t turn up. My war hero grandad must be doing somersaults in his grave having won freedom for these pr*cks to live lives unshackled from any responsibility and common decency.
I note the lack of the usual defenders of such behaviour - the “stand and sing all game or don’t bother turning up, even if you’ve supported rovers for 50years” brigade. Perhaps some of them are starting to see that behaviour like this is just not normal! One can only hope but I won’t be holding my breath!
:rolleyes:
Despite what everyone thinks about Millwall due to the odd bit of agg in the past, this wouldn't have happened at our games because we have respect for each other and if anyone didn't then we'd sort it out amongst ourselves.
Bullshit.
So how many Wall away matches have you been to? I'm writing of my personal experience not what i've been told on Sky or read in the Sun.
Believe what you want. My Mrs used to think the same as you due to all the tales about us but she was amazed at how well behaved and polite most people were when i eventually dragged her to a game, apart from the swearing and stuff.
Go on then, tell us all how effective the self-policing of the use of smoke bombs is going.
Oh, and would the 'swearing and stuff' that it seems you're not too worried about include the shouting of 'paedo' that you also seemed not to be worried about in that thread you started?
No smoke bombs at Burton on Saturday. I was referring to how we treat each other, such as not knocking old folk, women and kids out of the way in a selfish manner.
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Axholme Lion wasn’t it Millwall fans fighting like f**k amongst themselves at Wembley a couple of years ago ?
Day trippers probably. Not likely to be the type to go to Hull or the like on a Tuesday night.
Were they day trippers at Upton Park in that Cup Game?
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Axholme Lion wasn’t it Millwall fans fighting like f**k amongst themselves at Wembley a couple of years ago ?
It was, in the FA Cup Semi Final against Wigan. I was there.
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I wouldn’t get dewy eyed about the past. The lad who lived next door to me 40 years ago used to drop bricks off a bridge over the Don onto the old disco boat. Another lad at 15 ripped a school bus seat base off its mountngs and threw it out the window onto a car. There’s always been sociopathic kids in every society.
I do think there were structures in place to tame the wild ones as they grew up. The pit, the union, the miners’ welfare and working men’s clubs, the associated sports teams. They gave a structure and a discipline. Gave people opportunities to work and play and learn discipline and reward. And threatened a clip round the f**king ear hole if you acted like a prick. Those structures have mostly evaporated now and I’m not sure that Twitter and Facebook are replacing them in a positive way.
Don't know if I am a lot older than you BST but I was never threatened with a clip round the earhole I used to get one, and when I got home I'd get another one usually because the person who gave me the 1st one knew my Dad. That for me is amajor difference, because you tended to stay and play/socialise in an area close to your home everyone knew everyone else, was a relative or worked with your parents, in my case my Dad at the pit. Discipline was dished out when merited and a good hiding didn't do me any harm but the worse was the phsycological threat from my Mum, "just wait till your Dad comes home" the hours of dreading hearing the whistling and the back door opening and knowing what would be shortly coming your way!
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I wouldn’t get dewy eyed about the past. The lad who lived next door to me 40 years ago used to drop bricks off a bridge over the Don onto the old disco boat. Another lad at 15 ripped a school bus seat base off its mountngs and threw it out the window onto a car. There’s always been sociopathic kids in every society.
I do think there were structures in place to tame the wild ones as they grew up. The pit, the union, the miners’ welfare and working men’s clubs, the associated sports teams. They gave a structure and a discipline. Gave people opportunities to work and play and learn discipline and reward. And threatened a clip round the f**king ear hole if you acted like a prick. Those structures have mostly evaporated now and I’m not sure that Twitter and Facebook are replacing them in a positive way.
Don't know if I am a lot older than you BST but I was never threatened with a clip round the earhole I used to get one, and when I got home I'd get another one usually because the person who gave me the 1st one knew my Dad. That for me is amajor difference, because you tended to stay and play/socialise in an area close to your home everyone knew everyone else, was a relative or worked with your parents, in my case my Dad at the pit. Discipline was dished out when merited and a good hiding didn't do me any harm but the worse was the phsycological threat from my Mum, "just wait till your Dad comes home" the hours of dreading hearing the whistling and the back door opening and knowing what would be shortly coming your way!
My Mum had an ornamental camel whip which my Gran fetched back from a holiday to Morrocco, it was n't hung on the wall like most people did with them, my mum used it to give me and my brother a good hiding with it
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It is tribal /societal . I have lived outside Uk for 50 years and have not encountered such phenomena in the social environments in Belgium France and Italy and Spain . There are other issues which polarise tribal behaviour in football in those countries too but it is not so crassly vulgar.
Why are rugby crowds in UK so different in their behaviour too ; an interesting issue .
Agreed with the differences with the rugby crowds. My brother and I were at Murrayfiled on Saturday, both wearing England shirts. We were the only English fans in our area and were vocally supporting England, singing Swing Low and so on, and didn't have any trouble whatsoever. After the game we even shook hands with 7-8 people around us who we'd had a bit of back and forth with before the game. Both before and after the game we must have been in 6-7 different pubs with mostly Scotland fans but plenty of English, as well as a few Welsh & Irish fans, and it was great fun.
I don't like the generalisation that there seems to be that football fans are thugs and rugby fans are gentlemen, but my experience on Saturday seemingly couldn't be more different to those posting on this thread.
It appears that not all rugby fans are the well behaved people that they are sometimes made out to be.
The verbal and physical abuse afforded to Eddie Jones after the Scotland v England game is nothing to be proud of.
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Pissed up Scots yes, rugby fans? I doubt it
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Pissed up Scots yes, rugby fans? I doubt it
If they weren't rugby fans, how come they recognised him? I'm English and have no idea what he looks like, but then I'm not a rugby fan.
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Pissed up Scots yes, rugby fans? I doubt it
We don’t know that they are not rugby fans either do we.
Probably England fans pissed off at losing the game.
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Correct we don't know that they were or were not rugby fans which is why I said I doubt it, but English fans with broad Scottish accents mmm
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Yep, the legend goes on then.
No rugby fans are going to cause any bother, what a nice bunch of chaps.
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Yep, the legend goes on then.
No rugby fans are going to cause any bother, what a nice bunch of chaps.
Rugby union fans don't need segregation to stop them ripping each other's heads off.
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Yep, the legend goes on then.
No rugby fans are going to cause any bother, what a nice bunch of chaps.
Hound, if you read my post again I said "I don't like the generalisation that there seems to be that football fans are thugs and rugby fans are gentlemen, but my experience on Saturday seemingly couldn't be more different to those posting on this thread."
That was the parallel I was drawing - not that there are never any issues with rugby crowds, just that in about 7-8 pubs before/after and within the stadium itself I didn't see any. I think it's difficult to argue, though, that by and large rugby fans are far better behaved than rugby fans - the continued lack of segregation surely proves that point.
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Yep, the legend goes on then.
No rugby fans are going to cause any bother, what a nice bunch of chaps.
Hound, if you read my post again I said "I don't like the generalisation that there seems to be that football fans are thugs and rugby fans are gentlemen, but my experience on Saturday seemingly couldn't be more different to those posting on this thread."
That was the parallel I was drawing - not that there are never any issues with rugby crowds, just that in about 7-8 pubs before/after and within the stadium itself I didn't see any. I think it's difficult to argue, though, that by and large rugby fans are far better behaved than rugby fans - the continued lack of segregation surely proves that point.
Nick, I wasn’t picking out your post in particular mate, and of course I understand that the lack of segregation is a good thing.
However, on Saturday we had a couple of drinks in a pub which was heavily populated with Rotherham and Rovers fans without a hint of any bother.
I don’t subscribe to the assumption that the people who abused Eddie Jones were not rugby fans though.
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Nor do I, the fact they recognised him must mean that they were rugby fans.
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I don’t know what group I would come under but my view for what it’s worth is this. I attend rovers games in 4 different ways, and rightly or wrongly I am 4 different people when I do. First, I attend with a couple of mates, nothing mad usually to get out for a bit, result is important but I won’t go home and beat the dog if we lose. Second I will go to an away game anywhere within a 35 mile radius of my in laws (kettering) and that’s so my Mrs gets a good few hours with her old dear and I get a good few hours without her old dear, result important ahead of a night in with some shit tele. Thirdly I attend as a carer, pick up a few relief shifts on a weekend at a local care Home and bring one of the young lands out for a few hours, sometimes with his family, result, interestingly, by and large I have to take or leave, I have to set an example to the young lads and take it on the chin (Rotherham at home very very difficult) but I manage it. Lastly, I like to round as many of the lads up as I can, get beered up nice and early, shout in pubs, be boisterous on trains, the result of these games is the be all and end all of the day, it defines it. I am hideous when we lose, (Rotherham away) usually followed by a drunk twitter rant and general mardy behaviour, yes the word paedo may have left my mouth at some point Saturday. But respect is key, if I was asked to calm it on the train I would straight away, if I was asked to watch my language in the pub I would, if I was asked not to use the word paedo in front of someone’s child, then I wouldn’t. Maybe the shouldn’t have to ask me at 26 years of age but to a degree boys will be boys. My point I guess is that these coked up morons, who only attend what I call the ‘aggro fixtures’ clad with casual gear, surprised when they get marched out of pubs at 10am are ruining it for everybody, from people like me to people like my Nanna. No matter what circumstance I was attending in I wouldn’t dream of stepping on an old dears feet and not acknowledging it or apologising for it. Sooner they f**k off the better.
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I’m surprised they don’t scrap at rugby out of boredom
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It's a much faster game than football, so they'd probably say the same about us.