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Quote from: silent majority on April 18, 2018, 05:38:46 pmReduced? Not sure what you mean.I will ask the question differently then. What is the capacity of the South and North stands.
Reduced? Not sure what you mean.
Quote from: RoversAlias on April 18, 2018, 05:43:34 pmCome on SM, it is clear that the East Stand has less fans in it than the West. I sit in the middle of the South every single game so I have an equal good view of both those stands and the West is always much fuller than the East. Especially when you take out the most populated area of the East - the premier lounge seats - from where all of those folks won't even be using the 'common' exits at ground level.It is clear that "the East Stand copes with one exit open so the West will cope with two" is blatantly not a sensible assertion.Its a nonsense of an argument, which is why I've been treating it so flippantly.And I didn't write what you've just typed out either. Don't use quotation marks when you're not quoting me accurately.
Come on SM, it is clear that the East Stand has less fans in it than the West. I sit in the middle of the South every single game so I have an equal good view of both those stands and the West is always much fuller than the East. Especially when you take out the most populated area of the East - the premier lounge seats - from where all of those folks won't even be using the 'common' exits at ground level.It is clear that "the East Stand copes with one exit open so the West will cope with two" is blatantly not a sensible assertion.
Its the second time that I've pointed out that you have misquoted my posts to change the meaning. I'm not pedantic I'm annoyed.
Quote from: silent majority on April 18, 2018, 07:59:52 pmIts the second time that I've pointed out that you have misquoted my posts to change the meaning. I'm not pedantic I'm annoyed. Fine. Your exact words were"There's only one exit from the East stand, that copes quite well."It was in response to someone else asking if you felt congesting the other two exits in the West stand would cause another Health & Safety issue. Now your implication is that it won't cause an issue because the East copes with only having one open. It's clear though that the lesser number of fans in the stand makes a difference there.That's quite simple. I'm glad you're seeking clarification on the issue at the weekend, I appreciate the job you do on behalf of the fans but it would help if you were a little less cagey in your responses to fans on here sometimes. I believe the points raised about the number of fans in each stand and the fact the East Stand exit is at ground level are very valid points raised.
If the West stand isn't more populated than the East on a match day then it's an optical illusion.It always looks way more full anyway from behind the goal, not even taking into account that the bottom end of the East stand (towards the North) isn't even open most of the time.
After a series of communications with the club I think we can put this one to bed;The central stairwell on the West stand is not an entry/exit route. The route in question is the designated safe refuge area in case of fire, and in our case, will be used by our disabled supporters. It's designed to withstand a longer period of smoke and fire and give time for supporters to be evacuated in a timely fashion by stewards or fire service.All stadium capacities for ingress and egress are calculated on the two stair exits at either end of the concourse. If you mirror this to the East stand you could say there are three exits one at each end next to the turnstile entrance and the entry/exit route from the concourse into the East reception. This route is not a normal exit route and not part of the safe capacity calculations.Although the club have been happy for it to be used but now its been highlighted during the inspection the club have to act. The Safety Officer will have no choice but to comply.
Quote from: pib on April 19, 2018, 04:19:22 pmIf the West stand isn't more populated than the East on a match day then it's an optical illusion.It always looks way more full anyway from behind the goal, not even taking into account that the bottom end of the East stand (towards the North) isn't even open most of the time.Neither is the top end of the West stand.
Nobody is disagreeing with you pib. Don't know what point you wish to pursue. It's a nothing argument.
Quote from: silent majority on April 19, 2018, 10:12:41 pmNobody is disagreeing with you pib. Don't know what point you wish to pursue. It's a nothing argument.I'm not arguing or pursuing a point, I'm just interested. Sorry that you interpret it that way.As sad as it might be, I'm just interested in our stadium. Not every contribution to the forum is an argument.
So back to the main point - I am reading your Post SM as that in the event of a fire any Disabled Fans unable to exit via (say) the Lifts would be housed in that area - rather than use that route as an escape Route. Then they could be helped from the Ground when help arrived in an orderlyIf so that does make sense.My next question which I am sure you will know the answer to (as I think I do) - is there is a further floor above that area. So would the people up there be able to exit the Stadium ( probably yes via Press Box area) and so not be blocked in via the Disabled people and probably their carers who may be in that area in the case of the Emergency evacuation ?
Quote from: Donnywolf on April 20, 2018, 10:52:47 amSo back to the main point - I am reading your Post SM as that in the event of a fire any Disabled Fans unable to exit via (say) the Lifts would be housed in that area - rather than use that route as an escape Route. Then they could be helped from the Ground when help arrived in an orderlyIf so that does make sense.My next question which I am sure you will know the answer to (as I think I do) - is there is a further floor above that area. So would the people up there be able to exit the Stadium ( probably yes via Press Box area) and so not be blocked in via the Disabled people and probably their carers who may be in that area in the case of the Emergency evacuation ?Wolfy, yes that's the right understanding. It's a safe refuge area first and foremost, and is constructed to withstand fire for much longer periods so those who are physically incapable of using the main exits can gather there. Apparently all stadiums have to have them.On your second point. Its not an exit route therefore people gathered around the press box and control room would make their escape into the bowl area and follow normal procedures.
Quote from: silent majority on April 20, 2018, 01:24:39 pmQuote from: Donnywolf on April 20, 2018, 10:52:47 amSo back to the main point - I am reading your Post SM as that in the event of a fire any Disabled Fans unable to exit via (say) the Lifts would be housed in that area - rather than use that route as an escape Route. Then they could be helped from the Ground when help arrived in an orderlyIf so that does make sense.My next question which I am sure you will know the answer to (as I think I do) - is there is a further floor above that area. So would the people up there be able to exit the Stadium ( probably yes via Press Box area) and so not be blocked in via the Disabled people and probably their carers who may be in that area in the case of the Emergency evacuation ?Wolfy, yes that's the right understanding. It's a safe refuge area first and foremost, and is constructed to withstand fire for much longer periods so those who are physically incapable of using the main exits can gather there. Apparently all stadiums have to have them.On your second point. Its not an exit route therefore people gathered around the press box and control room would make their escape into the bowl area and follow normal procedures.In that case the notice at the exit is rather confusing. It does state disabled amd authorised personnel I believe. My understanding of that would be that control room and press personnel would be allowed to use this exit?