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Hound.The other thing I'd have put money on would have been you ignoring the core issue and trying to have a personal dig. Living proof that maturity doesn't always come with age.
Here it is, Hounslow. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/aug/14/punishment-by-statistics-the-father-who-foresaw-a-level-algorithm-flaws
Hound, unfortunately I don't know how to add an article, but in the Guardian there is an article about a parent, Huy Dong, who had long warned 39% of grades A* and D would be lower than teacher assessments using the government's algorithm, and disadvantaged students would be worst affected. He warned the education select committee too. That wasn't hindsight, perhaps someone can paste the article.
Belton. I fully respect your right to think that we have done OK in 2020. I just fail to see what you base that opinion on.I also fully understand and agree with your wish to see us pull together and not criticise for the sake of criticising. That was why I was saying loudly at the start of March that is was absolutely not the time to be playing politics. I feel naively stupid over that now, as it is undeniably clear that the Govt was in fact playing politics with us right from the start, but there you go.My take is that our handling of the big things this year has been little short of catastrophic. But I didn't go in with the attitude "this is a Tory Govt therefore they will f**k up", despite the fact that several people on here seem to be sure that I did (I do wonder about their level.of hypocrisy when they assume it against all the facts in others, but there you go...)If you're really interested, you can go back on the threads here and see how my opinion changed from cautiously hoping that our Govt was getting it right, to bewilderment that we also e were choosing to delay lockdown, to outright anger that we ended up with the worst death rate and worst economic hit in Europe. It didn't have to be like that and I very much hoped it wasn't going to be. And I very much wish it wasn't. But it is. And I take my cue from Churchill who, on the theme of those who ignored the mistakes our Govt made in the 1930s over Appeasement said that the purpose of recrimination now was to stop errors in the future.You obviously disagree with my take and I respect your right to have that opinion. Although without an argument as to why you think the way you do, forgive me if I don't respect the opinion itself.
Easy to put right, let the Universities set an entrance exam for all this years students in the subjects they needed grades in to do a particular course, or is that too much work for them. I bet they would not want to do it though.
Billy.You can’t really expect to write comments like this:‘Class warfare, right under your noses. By the Govt that conned northern working class people that it is on their side.‘and expect me or anyone else to believe you that you don’t argue from an ideological standpoint. At least mostly. There’s nothing wrong with that, by the way. Sometimes I wish I did more of the same. I read articles, watch the news, listen to debates and form an opinion based on what I’ve digested. However, on some topics, I already have an informed bias. For example, the Barnsley thread on the Rovers forum. I hate Barnsley FC (relatively speaking, from a football rival point of view). My hatred for them was never going to change just because Tyke and a few softies on here told me I was wrong and unkind and harsh. I know that is far more trivial than A level results, and was said partly tongue in cheek through sheer jealousy, but the point is the same.
But Billy, I don’t want to convince you that you are wrong. I’m not complaining about you, just making an observation. As you do about me. Sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly.
Quote from: belton rover on August 14, 2020, 08:24:27 pmBut Billy, I don’t want to convince you that you are wrong. I’m not complaining about you, just making an observation. As you do about me. Sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly.And your observation is wrong. It's built on an image of someone who you think exists Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on August 14, 2020, 10:19:17 pmQuote from: belton rover on August 14, 2020, 08:24:27 pmBut Billy, I don’t want to convince you that you are wrong. I’m not complaining about you, just making an observation. As you do about me. Sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly.And your observation is wrong. It's built on an imagee of someone who you think exists but doesn't. But you have created that image. I’ve just noticed it.
Quote from: belton rover on August 14, 2020, 08:24:27 pmBut Billy, I don’t want to convince you that you are wrong. I’m not complaining about you, just making an observation. As you do about me. Sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly.And your observation is wrong. It's built on an imagee of someone who you think exists but doesn't.
There is no doubt that there is and always has been a class distinction in education in this country, but whether this particular way of designing a system to overcome the problem of actually taking exams this year was purposely designed to disadvantage certain scholars is open for debate, and is it the government or the educational hierarchy that is responsible for it. As for time being put forward by Wilts to not have an entrance exam set by universities, I don't accept it, if the will is there and the effort put in most things happen, reduce holidays in the education system in the next year to make up time lost, open school and university facilities extended hours every day to make time up. Get rid of those in the system that don't want to do their job. We have got to the stage where we can organise marches for thousands of people, illegal raves ,and getting to the beaches, but not send kids to school.Selby, i have two boys aged 8yrs and 11yrs, the eldest is due to attend Campsmount Academy in September. i am 60yrs old this this year and i am frightened for my health, do you think i'm worrying for nothing? Please tell me. have you got kids going back to school and maybe bringing covid home?
Quote from: selby on August 14, 2020, 09:10:57 pm There is no doubt that there is and always has been a class distinction in education in this country, but whether this particular way of designing a system to overcome the problem of actually taking exams this year was purposely designed to disadvantage certain scholars is open for debate, and is it the government or the educational hierarchy that is responsible for it. As for time being put forward by Wilts to not have an entrance exam set by universities, I don't accept it, if the will is there and the effort put in most things happen, reduce holidays in the education system in the next year to make up time lost, open school and university facilities extended hours every day to make time up. Get rid of those in the system that don't want to do their job. We have got to the stage where we can organise marches for thousands of people, illegal raves ,and getting to the beaches, but not send kids to school.Selby, i have two boys aged 8yrs and 11yrs, the eldest is due to attend Campsmount Academy in September. i am 60yrs old this this year and i am frightened for my health, do you think i'm worrying for nothing? Please tell me. have you got kids going back to school and maybe bringing covid home? I guess that's a no then, easy to shout your mouth off when the actions you call for don't affect you.
There is no doubt that there is and always has been a class distinction in education in this country, but whether this particular way of designing a system to overcome the problem of actually taking exams this year was purposely designed to disadvantage certain scholars is open for debate, and is it the government or the educational hierarchy that is responsible for it. As for time being put forward by Wilts to not have an entrance exam set by universities, I don't accept it, if the will is there and the effort put in most things happen, reduce holidays in the education system in the next year to make up time lost, open school and university facilities extended hours every day to make time up. Get rid of those in the system that don't want to do their job. We have got to the stage where we can organise marches for thousands of people, illegal raves ,and getting to the beaches, but not send kids to school.Selby, i have two boys aged 8yrs and 11yrs, the eldest is due to attend Campsmount Academy in September. i am 60yrs old this this year and i am frightened for my health, do you think i'm worrying for nothing? Please tell me. have you got kids going back to school and maybe bringing covid home? I guess that's a no then, easy to shout your mouth off when the actions you call for don't affect you.
Not so Billy, but hey ho, we live another day. We’re all Rovers, aren’t we? Love ya xBut just to finish with, if you were to get an honest answer from anyone one who frequents this forum as to whether THE VAST MAJORITY of your posts are anti Tory, then I think most would think the same as me.