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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: acko on December 13, 2017, 06:44:47 pm
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Why is Pep allowed to wear a political statement on his coat or jumper.Iwas under the impression that political and religious symbols were banned by FIFA
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Calm down Jose.
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Is it because he's not English?
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quite noticable his symbol was missing from his pre match interview
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Why is Pep allowed to wear a political statement on his coat or jumper.Iwas under the impression that political and religious symbols were banned by FIFA
Probably because the EPL isn't run by FIFA, unlike International matches.
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Rules changed didn't they?
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Rules changed didn't they?
Still only applies to games under FIFA jurisdiction, and then you need their permission.
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FIFA gave permission to both England and Germany to wear the poppy in our recent match.
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He's hardly wearing a badge that professes his love of the IRA. I don't see the fuss.
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Why is Pep allowed to wear a political statement on his coat or jumper.Iwas under the impression that political and religious symbols were banned by FIFA
I tend to agree.
However, is it any different from the White Rose of Yorkshire on the Leeds badge or our badge, or the Red Rose of Lancashire on Blackburn's game?
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Is it because he's not English?
Looks like a “no” then.
Next.
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Is it because he's not English?
Looks like a “no” then.
Next.
Well, it would to you, wouldn't it!
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Is it because he's not English?
Looks like a “no” then.
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Well, it would to you, wouldn't it!
But he hasn't broken the rules.
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FIFA''s rules and regs are decided by an 8 person panal. 4 of whom are from the UK and 4 of whom represent everywhere else in the world. So it's difficult to imagine something that ended "UNLESS YOU'RE ENGLISH!!!!!" being voted into the official rules.
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FIFA''s rules and regs are decided by an 8 person panal. 4 of whom are from the UK and 4 of whom represent everywhere else in the world. So it's difficult to imagine something that ended "UNLESS YOU'RE ENGLISH!!!!!" being voted into the official rules.
Are you thinking of IFAB?
IFAB are the organisation responsible for the Laws of the Game and were founded by the 4 home country FA's. FIFA are a part of IFAB rather than the other way around.
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FIFA''s rules and regs are decided by an 8 person panal. 4 of whom are from the UK and 4 of whom represent everywhere else in the world. So it's difficult to imagine something that ended "UNLESS YOU'RE ENGLISH!!!!!" being voted into the official rules.
Was it the same 8 man panel that banned England from wearing poppies?
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IFAB is correct yes.The laws of the game are decided 50% by the UK but for some that's not enough.
When you think about it it makes sense that players wouldn't be able to wear a political symbol during an international match. It has a huge potential to be inflammatory or at very least diplomatically awkward for the countries about to kick a ball around. Whereas at club level self regulation is a lot more workable.
Kick racism out of football, rainbow laces and justice for the 96 are all obviously as political as wearing a swastika armband. Club's would allow the first 3 in that list due to the fact that public opinion is either indifferent or positive about them, so no damage to the club "brand". Every club would ban players from wearing swastikas because it would be embarrassing for the club, lose sponsors as well as making the club hated by most.
So public opinion and the bottom line dictate the political statements players/staff can make rather than their passport's.
I can only assume Man C value Pep feeling comfortable about expressing himself over upsetting the very very few Man C fans that even have a strong opinion about Catalan independence.
If Kyle Walker said he wanted to show support for "Yorkshire independence" I doubt he would be alowed to do this whilst representing a Lancashire club. Not for any racist or anti English reason just because it would piss enough Man C fans off for the marketing men to get worried.
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Does this affect Rovers ???
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Is it because he's not English?
Looks like a “no” then.
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Well, it would to you, wouldn't it!
Maybe it is to me because, as far as I’m aware, no one has ever stopped a manager of any nationality from wearing whatever they want at PL matches.
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I'm not aware of it either, but this thread is evidence in itself that some of the public are uneasy about Pep Guardiola's political statement, even if there are no rules forbidding it.
My point is that had it been an English manager displaying a statement of personal political view he would without a shadow of a doubt have been rebuked far more by the public than Guardiola has.
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Well, I'm really disappointed!!! When I saw the title I thought we'd got ourselves a new manager! Bugger!
Mind you, there are some on here who'd still complain that he wasn't up to league 1, didn't know how to build a defence etc etc etc ....
:santa: :scarf: :santa:
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BB
Yeah. You’re right.
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I'm not aware of it either, but this thread is evidence in itself that some of the public are uneasy about Pep Guardiola's political statement, even if there are no rules forbidding it.
My point is that had it been an English manager displaying a statement of personal political view he would without a shadow of a doubt have been rebuked far more by the public than Guardiola has.
I don't remember Cloughie or Fergie getting rebuked for not just wearing something political but actually talking about their politics at length.
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Well done Guardiola .. I think it is right to protest against the taking of political prisoners .
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Well, I'm really disappointed!!! When I saw the title I thought we'd got ourselves a new manager! Bugger!
Mind you, there are some on here who'd still complain that he wasn't up to league 1, didn't know how to build a defence etc etc etc ....
:santa: :scarf: :santa:
On the subject of Pep, when he first came into the PL he had a really good start and then things went wrong.
He didn't win the title and i was saying that in Spain and Germany where in reality, only but two teams were going to be title contenders but over here there were probably five or six who would be serious opponents.
Well, he seriously seems to have sorted that out this season doesn't he.
He now has the players he wants and they play how he wants them to and it shows that he really is the top manager.
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Well done Guardiola .. I think it is right to protest against the taking of political prisoners .
Yeah, f**k the Spanish government for arresting people who've broken constitutional law with an illegal referendum and illegal unilateral declaration of independence that not even half their parliament voted for! bas**rds.
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BB is right again. The poor little man from England has had all his rights taken away by Johnny foreigner.
Only joking. That's little Englander bolloxs
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Apparently pep guardiola is mainly caught on cruise ships
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Is it because he's not English?
As I was saying. No it isn’t.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43174407
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He is protesting at Spain holding political prisoners and I fully support his gesture and feel the football authorities are virtually complicit with Spain's anti democratic activities in banning such protests.
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I fully agree Graing. I wonder what these committees would have done to someone wearing an anti-fascist badge in 1938.
But the immediate issue here is that, as with so many themes, there are people around who convince themselves that Jonny Foreigner gets away with whatever he wants whilst John Bull is permanently picked on.
So this thread involved the “Why is Pep allowed to do what he wants?” line. The “Is it cos he’s a foreigner?” line, the “They stopped us wearing poppies” line. When in fact, where we are when it all washes up is the the England team and British clubs ARE allowed to wear poppies on their shirts showing tribute to something they hold dear, but Guardiola, a foreigner, is being charged for a badge that shows support for something that he holds dear. 180 Degree turn round from how this story started. Which often happens when you drill beneath the “Is it cos they’re foreign that they get better treatment?” line.
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Missing me, Billy?
The England team was warned against wearing Poppies, because it was classed as political, initially. which of course it wasn't. THAT was the argument.
My point is that more people agreed with the authorities point of view which condemned the Poppies than actually condemned Pep for wearing a symbol that was clearly political.
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I don't remember anybody 'condemning' poppies or what they stood for. They just said they weren't allowed under the rules as they stand, but were allowed when permission was asked and then granted as there was nothing to object to ie proper due process. It's not FIFA's fault that a section of the British media love nothing better than to blow feck all completely out of proportion to make it look like the British are the victims of Johnny Foreigner's jackboot. And enough of the British public are gullible enough to fall for it.