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All about local issues Syd, planning permissions for large housing estates and HS2 compulsory evictions, nice area not wanting scroats coming in and the disruption. Also tactical voting showing Labour votes moving over to the Liberals ( could be for ever as the demise of the Labour vote collapses and the party continue their slide to irrelevance) and as history shows Liberals give their vote to the Tories in Labour seats, not fair really, and has resulted in a disastrous Labour percentage vote in this by election. God knows what stabber thinks, better take the knife off him before he tops himself, although he might be cheered on by some he thinks his mates in the fast collapsing Labour party.
Thats right Selby, keep on insulting the voters and taking them for granted - you see where that gets you and Johnson in the next election.
Quote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 07:05:44 pmThats right Selby, keep on insulting the voters and taking them for granted - you see where that gets you and Johnson in the next election.Wow , the irony eh !!Just how sanctimonious does the Metropolitan Labour voter have to be by comparison ?Of course Johnson is a pryck .Trouble is Starmer and his cult are even bigger prycks .The electorate tell em so .Be sanctimonious about that .
Quote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 07:05:44 pmThats right Selby, keep on insulting the voters and taking them for granted - you see where that gets you and Johnson in the next election.Wilts, I've always taken you to be on the left of the Labour Party; if so, surely you can't be confident that Starmer is the man to lead you to victory in 2024. Surely someone like Andy Burnham would be better.Labour's result in Chesham was even more disastrous than the Tories', following the debacle in Hartlepool. If they lose in Batley, I reckon it could be all over for Starmer.
I will be happy to be around for the next election Wilts.
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 18, 2021, 11:00:17 pmQuote from: wilts rover on June 18, 2021, 07:05:44 pmThats right Selby, keep on insulting the voters and taking them for granted - you see where that gets you and Johnson in the next election.Wow , the irony eh !!Just how sanctimonious does the Metropolitan Labour voter have to be by comparison ?Of course Johnson is a pryck .Trouble is Starmer and his cult are even bigger prycks .The electorate tell em so .Be sanctimonious about that .Yeah, too right tyke, starmer & cult are responsible for 10 of thousands of unnecessary deaths plus death by Austerity and f**king over the economy, there's just no end to the devastation him and his type have caused, he's liar too what about all the lies day in day out, the evasion of responsibility for absolutely everything, Windrush, you name it starmers fingerprints are all over it ......... and why? because corbyn couldn't win a general election,oh right!
Albie,I agree with all that and not much has changed since. There is still a pervasive belief in the sanctity of the market and the opportunity to impose stability was missed. Its only a matter of time before there is a similar failure.
The Left's logic in a nutshell.Blair and Brown didn't facilitate the overthrow of Capitalism and the creation of the dictatorship of the proletariat: therefore they are no different to the Tories. Makes these discussions a lot simpler if you just keep that as an aide-memoire.