chesham-and-amersham

[BillyStubbsTears]

With the Workers Party of GB on 6%...

Draw your own conclusions from that one.

[tyke1962]

With the Workers Party of GB on 6%...

Draw your own conclusions from that one.

That 6% going to Galloway is currently the difference between Labour and the Tories .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Precisely Tyke

Another so-called left winger working his nads off to get a Tory elected.

[tyke1962]

The Left's logic in a nutshell.

Blair and Brown didn't facilitate the overthrow of Capitalism and the creation of the dictatorship of the proletariat: therefore they are no different to the Tories.

Makes these discussions a lot simpler if you just keep that as an aide-memoire.

This is a bit inconvenient for you Billy but it's a fact none the less .

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/john-bercow-labour-attack-johnson-b1869118.html

[tyke1962]

Precisely Tyke

Another so-called left winger working his nads off to get a Tory elected.

I don't think you realise Billy the extent to which the Labour Party is hated by people such as Mr Galloway , as much as the Tories if not possibly more .

If Labour can't win in Batley then perhaps they should have a look at themselves and less of the finger pointing towards the traditional left .

[scawsby steve]

The Left's logic in a nutshell.

Blair and Brown didn't facilitate the overthrow of Capitalism and the creation of the dictatorship of the proletariat: therefore they are no different to the Tories.

Makes these discussions a lot simpler if you just keep that as an aide-memoire.

This is a bit inconvenient for you Billy but it's a fact none the less .

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/john-bercow-labour-attack-johnson-b1869118.html

Wey Hey. Nice one, Tyke. The Tory Party's own version of Chuka Umunna, and just as slimy. Him and Keir will really get on, both being arch-remainers.

Maybe Keir will put him up in a Northern Brexit voting seat, as would be par for the current course.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.

Oh aye. I fully understand how much the centre Left is hated by the likes of Galloway. It hated by them so much that he's prepared to be funded by a Russian fascist to constantly fight against it.

You are being played in a huge game Tyke and the really sad thing is, you honestly and naively think he's on your side. When in reality, you are just the collateral  damage.

[tyke1962]

Tyke.

Oh aye. I fully understand how much the centre Left is hated by the likes of Galloway. It hated by them so much that he's prepared to be funded by a Russian fascist to constantly fight against it.

You are being played in a huge game Tyke and the really sad thing is, you honestly and naively think he's on your side. When in reality, you are just the collateral  damage.

Billy , Galloway doesn't play me let's make this perfectly clear .

His bunch of comrades are way too left even for the likes of this old collier .

The left within the Labour Party should always be the ones who remind the centre what they are supposed to be doing and why the party even exists and not necessarily calling all the shots .

Corbyn at least tried to work with the centre for all the good it did him mind .

The truth is the section of the party you yourself pin your colours to have absolutely no intention of having the left at the table .

Your too focused with solving poverty in Estonia rather than South Yorkshire and seemingly have zero interest in real issues .

You've done alright , university and a professional source of income , nowt wrong with that mind , I don't do the politics of envy btw .

Where I have a problem is with the metropolitan Labour supporter is the fact you ain't a clue about the real issues which affect millions of lives in former industrial heartlands .

Nowt I've read on here or your fellow minnions have convinced me otherwise .

You lot are the problem and you will never be the solution .

The party is where it is because of you .

I've tried the compromise with you lot for more years than I should but you lot can't see outside your bubble .

The heart n soul of this party is and will always be the likes of me and you hitch your wagon to that .

The other way around doesn't work , the proof is where we are at today .

Labour getting annihilated in it's own back yard .

Those are the facts .

[SydneyRover]

Tyke.

Oh aye. I fully understand how much the centre Left is hated by the likes of Galloway. It hated by them so much that he's prepared to be funded by a Russian fascist to constantly fight against it.

You are being played in a huge game Tyke and the really sad thing is, you honestly and naively think he's on your side. When in reality, you are just the collateral  damage.

Billy , Galloway doesn't play me let's make this perfectly clear .

His bunch of comrades are way too left even for the likes of this old collier .

The left within the Labour Party should always be the ones who remind the centre what they are supposed to be doing and why the party even exists and not necessarily calling all the shots .

Corbyn at least tried to work with the centre for all the good it did him mind .

The truth is the section of the party you yourself pin your colours to have absolutely no intention of having the left at the table .

Your too focused with solving poverty in Estonia rather than South Yorkshire and seemingly have zero interest in real issues .

You've done alright , university and a professional source of income , nowt wrong with that mind , I don't do the politics of envy btw .

Where I have a problem is with the metropolitan Labour supporter is the fact you ain't a clue about the real issues which affect millions of lives in former industrial heartlands .

Nowt I've read on here or your fellow minnions have convinced me otherwise .

You lot are the problem and you will never be the solution .

The party is where it is because of you .

I've tried the compromise with you lot for more years than I should but you lot can't see outside your bubble .

The heart n soul of this party is and will always be the likes of me and you hitch your wagon to that .

The other way around doesn't work , the proof is where we are at today .

Labour getting annihilated in it's own back yard .

Those are the facts .

Your naivety is stunning if you think that a party can run and stay in one political position for the whole of its life without changing to the will of those within and without.

[tyke1962]

Tyke.

Oh aye. I fully understand how much the centre Left is hated by the likes of Galloway. It hated by them so much that he's prepared to be funded by a Russian fascist to constantly fight against it.

You are being played in a huge game Tyke and the really sad thing is, you honestly and naively think he's on your side. When in reality, you are just the collateral  damage.

Billy , Galloway doesn't play me let's make this perfectly clear .

His bunch of comrades are way too left even for the likes of this old collier .

The left within the Labour Party should always be the ones who remind the centre what they are supposed to be doing and why the party even exists and not necessarily calling all the shots .

Corbyn at least tried to work with the centre for all the good it did him mind .

The truth is the section of the party you yourself pin your colours to have absolutely no intention of having the left at the table .

Your too focused with solving poverty in Estonia rather than South Yorkshire and seemingly have zero interest in real issues .

You've done alright , university and a professional source of income , nowt wrong with that mind , I don't do the politics of envy btw .

Where I have a problem is with the metropolitan Labour supporter is the fact you ain't a clue about the real issues which affect millions of lives in former industrial heartlands .

Nowt I've read on here or your fellow minnions have convinced me otherwise .

You lot are the problem and you will never be the solution .

The party is where it is because of you .

I've tried the compromise with you lot for more years than I should but you lot can't see outside your bubble .

The heart n soul of this party is and will always be the likes of me and you hitch your wagon to that .

The other way around doesn't work , the proof is where we are at today .

Labour getting annihilated in it's own back yard .

Those are the facts .

Your naivety is stunning if you think that a party can run and stay in one political position for the whole of its life without changing to the will of those within and without.

You mean like putting up a pro EU candidate in Hartlepool Sydney , that kind of naivety .

Once you admit your catastrophic failings the more the Party remains relevant and can at least have an opportunity to rebuild .

The way it's playing out is the Labour Party is heading for oblivion .

The electorate are the judge and jury , not you or Billy .

But but the Tories ..... it's all you have .

[SydneyRover]

Nothing worse than a tory or a miffed labour voter it seems, tory problems and mistakes are suffered by just about everyone except the top 3-5% of the population and the only reason they are in power is because of those that see their 'own' party as a bigger problem. Those that keep the tories in power, the enablers can thank themselves for the suffering of the 95-97%

[tyke1962]

Nothing worse than a tory or a miffed labour voter it seems, tory problems and mistakes are suffered by just about everyone except the top 3-5% of the population and the only reason they are in power is because of those that see their 'own' party as a bigger problem. Those that keep the tories in power, the enablers can thank themselves for the suffering of the 95-97%

Pardon the context but what the feck do you know sat on Bondi beach sunning yourself .

There's an old saying where I live .

" non bowlers off the green "

Ditch the Guardian fella and live the the life .

I'd say champagne socialist wouldn't be the worst call .

[SydneyRover]

Nothing worse than a tory or a miffed labour voter it seems, tory problems and mistakes are suffered by just about everyone except the top 3-5% of the population and the only reason they are in power is because of those that see their 'own' party as a bigger problem. Those that keep the tories in power, the enablers can thank themselves for the suffering of the 95-97%

Pardon the context but what the feck do you know sat on Bondi beach sunning yourself .

There's an old saying where I live .

" non bowlers off the green "

Ditch the Guardian fella and live the the life .

I'd say champagne socialist wouldn't be the worst call .

I see your conversion to tory is now complete using xenophobic language as your argument peters out, and not for the first time either, aye tyke

[tyke1962]

Nothing worse than a tory or a miffed labour voter it seems, tory problems and mistakes are suffered by just about everyone except the top 3-5% of the population and the only reason they are in power is because of those that see their 'own' party as a bigger problem. Those that keep the tories in power, the enablers can thank themselves for the suffering of the 95-97%

Pardon the context but what the feck do you know sat on Bondi beach sunning yourself .

There's an old saying where I live .

" non bowlers off the green "

Ditch the Guardian fella and live the the life .

I'd say champagne socialist wouldn't be the worst call .

I see your conversion to tory is now complete using xenophobic language as your argument peters out, and not for the first time either, aye tyke

Billy's tried the Tory slant with me but that didn't work too well either .

I've never voted Tory in my life and I'll go to my grave not ever doing so based on my own personal history .

Doesn't mean I'm ALL LABOUR either .

Your becoming a cult Sydney , it's to tell the truth a shocking look .

We are superior to the Tories in mind and soul , really , you forget the blood on your hands and the failed state you created in 2008 after 13 years in office .

None of which you seem comfortable addressing .

You carry on fella selling your soul for power you won't ever get , you lot had your chance to change this country and you did nowt with it .

You won't be getting another opportunity .

[SydneyRover]

We are superior to the tories, we just don't want to vote them out is all, you are making your own bed playing the man not the ball, don't blame others for your own failures please.

If your actions contribute to a tory government then who is to blame?

[Glyn_Wigley]

"I'm not a Tory, I just talk and act like one."

[BillyStubbsTears]

Not "talk and act like one".

"Am so convinced that the Left must be MY Left, I will stubbornly empower a centre-left country to keep on electing far-right Governments."

[selby]

  The Labour Party has just about done the impossible, they attracted less votes in a byelection than the constituency has Labour Party members in the same constituency.
  As for the likes of Bercow, I wouldn't P**S on him to save him  if he was burning in the street.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If folk are too thick to understand that massive tactical voting took place in that by-election, there's not much hope for them.

[Janso]

If folk are too thick to understand that massive tactical voting took place in that by-election, there's not much hope for them.

Bold of you to assume selby is doing anything other than being on the wind up.

[Bentley Bullet]

https://youtu.be/VcuoEVcsLcs

[drfchound]

https://youtu.be/VcuoEVcsLcs

BB, so many of those phrases and comments have been used on this forum over the past few years.
Most recently here:

If folk are too thick to understand that massive tactical voting took place in that by-election, there's not much hope for them.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm not sure what your point is Hound.

It's bleeding obvious that there was massive tactical voting in the by-election. What exactly would YOU think of the intellect of someone who commented on the Labour vote there without considering that context?

[drfchound]

I'm not sure what your point is Hound.

It's bleeding obvious that there was massive tactical voting in the by-election. What exactly would YOU think of the intellect of someone who commented on the Labour vote there without considering that context?

Of course you understand my point BST.
To use your terminology, it is bleeding obvious.
Unless of course you didn’t read the link that BB posted.