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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: ian1980 on February 17, 2018, 04:57:07 pm
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Haven’t been able to get today, so what’s been the main difference today from the previous few games
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4-4-2 we look comfortale with it, and Fleetwood were dog turd
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Fleetwood were shit. Defence did their job, McCullough linked up well, the midfield 3 were quality and created plenty. Kiwomya and Marquis pressed well. Players wanting the ball and as soon as got that first goal confidence grew. Nothing to do with formations but it helped having Rowe further forward.
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It's not just the 4-4-2, as we played that last week and we're terrible.
Playing Rowe further up makes a difference and McCullough, coppinger played better than last weeks partnership.
Be tough to play this formation away at Rotherham but we will see
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Dont think we can play anything other than 442 as it works far better
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How shit were they?
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John Marquis was imence today covered every inch of the pitch today
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Agree Vicar the guy was awesome
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Helps John having pace next to him. I say this all the time as it creates space for him which he used well today.
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Well that was what I was hoping for today and we got it.
Brilliant from every player. 4-4-2 simples. Or 4-3-1-2 Simples.
A word for Mason today and he was playing on the wrong side.
One word Outstanding. McCullough in that position where he was needed on Tuesday. Outstanding.
Please Mr Ferguson stick to this from now until the end of the season and I will guarantee we will finish in the top 10 ( providing we don’t get any more bad injuries )
Instead of a P45 on the 3rd of March if we beat Rotherham and Bury i will be nominating DF for a knighthood to go with his dads.
By heck what a difference one game makes the contrast from that garbage on Tuesday to today was on the Richter scale.
Onwards and upwards :thumbsup:
Rotherham watch out we are coming for you. :boxing:
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Fleetwood were just what we needed today, a poor side with little confidence.
McCullough for me was what we’ve needed most of the season, a midfield man who will just sit deep and allow others to play. That said he played a few quality passes too.
Shame we didn’t get that 4th goal just after the third as we’d have ended up 6/7, that’s how poor fleetwood were.
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11 players in red shirts played well today, that was the main difference.
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Very refreshing. Kept it simple. Starting at the back, Marosi was much calmer in goal and has a much better awareness of positioning and is willing and very able at coming out to claim the ball.
The two centre halves looked comfortable and Anderson added value at the top end with two goals. He's a 100%er even if he looks a bit awkward at times on the ball he did the basics very well.
Basics were what we got from Alcock and Mason with the latter catching the eye with a very strong performance.
McCullough gave us what we've been missing from Houghton since he returned showing some neat touches, passing, tackling and being positionaly spot on.
All the above gave us a stronger platform to play from with our more forward players punching holes and closing down. Very good to watch with Beestin and Copps playing with flair occasionally and linking things up. That gave Kiwomya an ideal game to get minutes and stretch his legs. Just what you want from a goalscorer, taking up a great position to score.
It's a start. Fleetwood looked like we must have looked in midweek, devoid of much belief with Rossler looking like he's in a precarious position.
Speaking with Andy Butler at half time and he reckons he'll be back in 2 or 3 weeks so we're looking to finish this season quite strongly.
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What does this say about Houghton?
If Lukes doing his job better do we need to break the bank to sign him?
Thoughts as I wasnt there today?
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Could be just confidence. We know Houghton has got it in him as we saw last season.
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McCullough for me. The worry is his injury record.
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Agree with Andsly. Fleetwood were ideal opponents today. They were very poor and IF we'd lost to them all hell would've been unleashed on Fergie.
Copps & McCullough were great but it doesn't mean that reflects badly on Houghton.
Same again v Rotherham & I'll be happy.
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Agree with Andsly. Fleetwood were ideal opponents today. They were very poor and IF we'd lost to them all hell would've been unleashed on Fergie.
Copps & McCullough were great but it doesn't mean that reflects badly on Houghton.
Same again v Rotherham & I'll be happy.
You have to remember Houghton is only 20 yrs old. He has come back from a bad injury which kept him out for months. Give the lad a break. We need to sign him if at all possible. We need strength in depth next season. He is going to be a very good player. Patience please.
A rest was what he needed today, same goes for Whiteman. Young players are inconsistent in their performance levels. We also need an old head in midfield next season as we can’t rely on Copps to play 40 odd games any more.
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Well done to the management & players, we looked well balanced & EVERY player worked their nads off, thought Alcock & Mason were outstanding, along with Marquis. Marosi commanded his box well & the team fought & closed down really well, more of the same please.
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Fleetwood looked so bad. Not sure if we just nullified them or whether they're that poor but Christ they were terrible.
We did alright, never looked in any danger really. Impressed with Tommy Rowe and Beestin but I think the big difference was Kiwomya. If he keeps playing like that we've got a useful player on our hands. Good work rate, good pace, and his movement off the ball made us much more of a threat. Seemed to partner well with Marquis as well.
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They were bad but we can only play against what's in front of us and, to be fair, we did the basics right.
Recently it's clear they've been trying to over complicate things. Today they stripped the performance down to the bare bones and kept things simple.
Goal one - good player and a good poachers finish.
Goal two - quickest to react at a set piece (makes a change!)
Goal three - Great cross and a good header from the biggest player in the box.
All simple goals. None of this 50 passes in front of the 18-yard line.
What was more noticeable was the confidence that seemed to begin to return too. Yes they were poor but that's what we needed. To dominate a team. Pass the ball around nicely, get some confidence into the players with the pressure off.
Also pleased with Alcock. Adds that balance to the back line. He's a solid full back. Not going to take you to the next level but he's solid enough and has the experience.
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The opposition were shit. But we made them look shit too. As has been said, the passing was decent, the set pieces clever and some of the play around the box was much better - quicker when necessary and much more incisive than it's been for quite a while.
Now to keep that up consistently...
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How shit were they?
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Well you can't deny that they were shit...
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As the Fulham manager was saying after their win against Villa today, “it's nice to have a clean shit”
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Well you can't deny that they were shit...
Thy were but as others have said you can only play against what’s put in front of you.
Only Northampton on Boxing Day have been worse. At least Fleetwood did show some intent at 3-0 down whereas Northampton showed pretty much none for 90+ mins.
We were good though, we looked like a proper football team. Can’t fault us today, took the foot off gas’s a bit at 3-0 but wait if it’s perfection were after well that’s quite frankly asking for too much.
Credit where credits due. Well done DF you got it spot on today.
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The change to 4-4-2 gave the players the confidence and belief to perform today in a pattern that they are comfortable with.
After the first ten minutes or so we started to dominate and once the first goal went in, as far as I was concerned, there was only one winner today.
Fleetwood though were up there with Northampton as very poor opponents, not getting a shot on target until 74 minutes.
Still, as others have said, you can only play against what is in front of you and we did well today.
All of the players contributed and to pick a MoM was tough but I would have gone for McCullough, with Mason a close second perhaps.
Luke linked everything together.
I am glad that Ferguson (in his own words) went back to basics today and picked a team to utilise the players strengths.
Well done for that.
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Loved it today, Copps and McCulloughbrilliant. At 3-0 we went for counter attack using Alfie May's pace but he was poor imho. His chance in the box was disappointing too
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Loved it today, Copps and McCulloughbrilliant. At 3-0 we went for counter attack using Alfie May's pace but he was poor imho. His chance in the box was disappointing too
Alfie may has no pace
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Whatever Fergy's reasoning for dropping Lawlor and bringing in Marosi was a stroke of genius -Marko was much calmer and assured and his kicking out is a major plus compared to Lawler's .he looks to have beefed up a bit also and the defence improved with Marko's confident handling and positional play .Hope its not just a flash in the pan !
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Whatever Fergy's reasoning for dropping Lawlor and bringing in Marosi was a stroke of genius -Marko was much calmer and assured and his kicking out is a major plus compared to Lawler's .he looks to have beefed up a bit also and the defence improved with Marko's confident handling and positional play .Hope its not just a flash in the pan !
At last! Fergy has seen the light, half decent goalie, square pegs in square holes. Didn't take long did it
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Till the next game
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Loved it today, Copps and McCulloughbrilliant. At 3-0 we went for counter attack using Alfie May's pace but he was poor imho. His chance in the box was disappointing too
I thought May did OK - didn't do anything to be classed as poor??
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The big difference, control of, and cutting out sloppy passing of the ball in midfield (Blair and Whiteman take note).
And the use of the long ball to Kiwomya, which even if it was a poor ball, put it in an area where our best players were, and away from our danger area.
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:that: :thumbsup:
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what a difference having pace up front made, Kiwomya and Marquis worked well together,
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Well at least we've got 2 strikers now who are good enough. Williams will probably be off in the Summer, May's not good enough and Mandeville needs to decide if he wants to be or not. Otherwise we probably need a couple in for next season.
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What do you mean May's not good enough? He's our most prolific striker in terms of time on the pitch.
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Starting to see flashes from Beestin that suggest he might be part of the replacement for Coppinger.
Mind, 18 months back I was saying that about Mandeville.
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Loved it today, Copps and McCulloughbrilliant. At 3-0 we went for counter attack using Alfie May's pace but he was poor imho. His chance in the box was disappointing too
Alfie may has no pace
Rubbish
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What do you mean May's not good enough? He's our most prolific striker in terms of time on the pitch.
Based on his dog shot performances over the past couple of months. He was decent at the start of the season but any player can go through decent form, it takes a better player to keep that up consistently. If he wants to bring that level of performances back I'd be very happy for him to stay.
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Loved it today, Copps and McCulloughbrilliant. At 3-0 we went for counter attack using Alfie May's pace but he was poor imho. His chance in the box was disappointing too
Alfie may has no pace
Was thinking exactly that yesterday. He’s sharp to accelerate over 5 yards but his speed is nothing above normal over 20 yards+. Couple of times yesterday the central defenders comfortably beat him in 30yards runs.
I’d very much like to see the lad succeed but he’s at that point where he’s no longer the new kid and he needs to demonstrate that he brings something to the side that would help us kick in. I want to tell myself that I see that but if I’m honest, I’m not sure I do.
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Loved it today, Copps and McCulloughbrilliant. At 3-0 we went for counter attack using Alfie May's pace but he was poor imho. His chance in the box was disappointing too
Alfie may has no pace
Rubbish
Not really, lost a straight race yesterday with their CB
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Starting to see flashes from Beestin that suggest he might be part of the replacement for Coppinger.
Mind, 18 months back I was saying that about Mandeville.
Beestin wants it more and you can see him growing every game. He also doesn't look knackered after 20 mins like Mandeville. There is a good player in there with Mandeville its just whether he wants to become it.
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Like those guys have said about May. He's not the quickest player, he's not the most technically gifted, he's not the best finisher, he's about 4 foot 2. He's just alright, nothing special. Worth keeping if it comes down to budget but we could do better at the moment.
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What do you mean May's not good enough? He's our most prolific striker in terms of time on the pitch.
Based on his dog shot performances over the past couple of months. He was decent at the start of the season but any player can go through decent form, it takes a better player to keep that up consistently. If he wants to bring that level of performances back I'd be very happy for him to stay.
The whole team's been dog shit over the last couple of months! Why single out a player who has played only a minor part coming off the bench during that period?
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What do you mean May's not good enough? He's our most prolific striker in terms of time on the pitch.
Based on his dog shot performances over the past couple of months. He was decent at the start of the season but any player can go through decent form, it takes a better player to keep that up consistently. If he wants to bring that level of performances back I'd be very happy for him to stay.
The whole team's been dog shit over the last couple of months! Why single out a player who has played only a minor part coming off the bench during that period?
I'm including our winning run in that when he was coming off the bench too. Look at earlier in the season he actually made an impact coming off the bench. Recently, meh, even in our best run.
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Loved it today, Copps and McCulloughbrilliant. At 3-0 we went for counter attack using Alfie May's pace but he was poor imho. His chance in the box was disappointing too
Alfie may has no pace
Rubbish
Not really, lost a straight race yesterday with their CB
There are plenty of reasons why an attacker looks like he's lost out on pace to a defender. One of them is trying to avoid being offside. I don't know what incident you're on about but I bet it's not conclusive as evidence that May has got no pace.
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What do you mean May's not good enough? He's our most prolific striker in terms of time on the pitch.
Based on his dog shot performances over the past couple of months. He was decent at the start of the season but any player can go through decent form, it takes a better player to keep that up consistently. If he wants to bring that level of performances back I'd be very happy for him to stay.
The whole team's been dog shit over the last couple of months! Why single out a player who has played only a minor part coming off the bench during that period?
I'm including our winning run in that when he was coming off the bench too. Look at earlier in the season he actually made an impact coming off the bench. Recently, meh, even in our best run.
When May came on yesterday the job was already done, and the emphasis wasn't to feed him, or any forward with scoring opportunities.
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We will see how Marosi plays when under real pressure at Rotherham, if selected, let's face it even Gary Woods would have kept a clean sheet yesterday.
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Starting to see flashes from Beestin that suggest he might be part of the replacement for Coppinger.
Mind, 18 months back I was saying that about Mandeville.
In both the last 2 games I have seen, Beestin has produced at least one outstanding touch/control the like we only usually see from Copps.. Vs Bristol Rovers and Yesterday..
We need to nurture him carefully and not expect too much too soon..
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BB
I am as keen for May to succeed as you are. I think the lad has something and I love his attitude.
All that said, I’d be a lot more sympathetic to your approach of not seeing May’s shortcomings, if you weren’t so quick to complain about the player who is head and shoulders the best forward in the club.
It’s an odd approach.
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Loved it today, Copps and McCulloughbrilliant. At 3-0 we went for counter attack using Alfie May's pace but he was poor imho. His chance in the box was disappointing too
Alfie may has no pace
Was thinking exactly that yesterday. He’s sharp to accelerate over 5 yards but his speed is nothing above normal over 20 yards+. Couple of times yesterday the central defenders comfortably beat him in 30yards runs.
I’d very much like to see the lad succeed but he’s at that point where he’s no longer the new kid and he needs to demonstrate that he brings something to the side that would help us kick in. I want to tell myself that I see that but if I’m honest, I’m not sure I do.
I’ve said it since his first couple of games and everyone said I was just being my usual negative self. He’s not quick at all. Far too easy to defend against.
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We will see how Marosi plays when under real pressure at Rotherham, if selected, let's face it even Gary Woods would have kept a clean sheet yesterday.
Yesterday was no test for Marosi. One save and a couple of takes in the air under little or no pressure.
I still maintain Lawler has the edge. But everyone to their own opinions of course.
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BB
I am as keen for May to succeed as you are. I think the lad has something and I love his attitude.
All that said, I’d be a lot more sympathetic to your approach of not seeing May’s shortcomings, if you weren’t so quick to complain about the player who is head and shoulders the best forward in the club.
It’s an odd approach.
BST, I like to give credit when it is due, but if I ever had to discredit someone else in order to do so It'd be fairly unconvincing praise. I sang Maggie May at a Karaoke the other night. I loved it when our lass said I sounded as good as Rod Stewart, but was gutted when she then said "Rod Stewart's shit".
I assume you're referring to your love child when you talk of the player who is head and shoulders the best forward in the club. I agree, Marquis is mostly excellent now, and has improved considerably, if only in attitude since I mentioned his shortcomings a few weeks back. At that time his falling over at every opportunity got silly, and I'm delighted to see he has tried to stay on his feet more of late.
I shouldn't have to admit that May has shortcomings. All league one players have them, but if I see him doing something negative that other players aren't also guilty of I'll single him out for it.
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We will see how Marosi plays when under real pressure at Rotherham, if selected, let's face it even Gary Woods would have kept a clean sheet yesterday.
Yesterday was no test for Marosi. One save and a couple of takes in the air under little or no pressure.
I still maintain Lawler has the edge. But everyone to their own opinions of course.
He wasn't that busy, but what he did, he did very well. There were a couple of times he was quick to gather at the edge of the box. Had that have been Lawlor he probably would have been a yard behind and that makes a difference whether a forward gets a sniff.
He came of his line and caught a couple of balls very easily and one later on when under pressure. People may not recall these because he made it look routine.
Sure, he's likely to come under more pressure next week but I hope he's equally decisive and composed.
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B.B. you seemed perfectly able to do it with Mandeville, backed up by other people, but now the apple of your eye has opened other peoples eyes to his frailties its wrong.
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Selby. Do what with Mandeville? Show me wherever I've discredited Mandeville.
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We will see how Marosi plays when under real pressure at Rotherham, if selected, let's face it even Gary Woods would have kept a clean sheet yesterday.
Marosi made two very good saves yesterday in the second half.
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Starting to see flashes from Beestin that suggest he might be part of the replacement for Coppinger.
Mind, 18 months back I was saying that about Mandeville.
If it's any consolation I'm in complete agreement regarding Beestin but I've never rated Mandeville.
Even when he had that little purple patch last season I thought he got a bit lucky with the bounce of the ball as he went past defenders on several occasions. Don't get me wrong, I'd love him to have a great loan spell and come back better but he's nowt special IMO.
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Loved it today, Copps and McCulloughbrilliant. At 3-0 we went for counter attack using Alfie May's pace but he was poor imho. His chance in the box was disappointing too
Alfie may has no pace
Rubbish
Not really, lost a straight race yesterday with their CB
There are plenty of reasons why an attacker looks like he's lost out on pace to a defender. One of them is trying to avoid being offside. I don't know what incident you're on about but I bet it's not conclusive as evidence that May has got no pace.
Selective vision BB, you are n't Arsene Wenger are you?
May is not quick, he's not physical and is too small to head the ball. A 100% tryer though and can't knock the lad for that, but he'll never play above the level he is now.Beestin is a Country mile in front of May as far as development goes
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Here we go again! So, you praise Beestin by comparing him to someone who you say has no pace, is not physical, is too small and can't head the ball!
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At least you have seen Mandeville go past players with the ball Mike F, the last time some of our players did that they were in a car passing a bus stop.
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Ah, Selby! Have you found where I've discredited Mandeville yet?
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we needed that win badly and once we scored it was pretty comfortable..I've long been a advocate of Marosi starting infront of Lawlor and it's easy to say he had little to do but he made a big difference.He mixed it up better with his accurate longer kicking and that stopped them pressing to high which what happens when you constantly play it out from the back..He also came for crosses instead of being nailed to his line..I thought Beestin had a really good game and Kiwomya give us something fresh as regards overlaps and pulling defenders about...All in all it was a good performance against a side who are defunct of confidence.However how many times have teams come here on the back of crap form and won...
Rotherham will be a different kettle of fish and if we get anything from that game it will be a big bonus because expectations will not be high..
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Here we go again! So, you praise Beestin by comparing him to someone who you say has no pace, is not physical, is too small and can't head the ball!
You need to stop trying to read too much into things, I'm saying May does not possess the atributes for this level, simple
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I disagree. May has been our most prolific striker in terms of playing time, obviously now discounting Kiwomya unless you want to be flippant. With that in mind, if May doesn't possess the attributes at this level, how can you say the other strikers do?
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The impact of Marosi and MvCullough was considerable on Saturday. Marosi went about his business very calmly and effectively. That had an influence on the rest of the team as we didn't go into panic mode.
McCullough got involved in general play and didn't sit too deep as Houghton had been doing. This meant we kept our shape much better throughout the game. There were no big gaps from back to front.
Kiwomya makes a difference giving back line less time. That should help us on Saturday when up against Richard Wood (carthorse)
Beestin does some lovely stuff and can get away from defenders and is good at keeping possession.
We might surprise Rotherham!
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I disagree. May has been our most prolific striker in terms of playing time, obviously now discounting Kiwomya unless you want to be flippant. With that in mind, if May doesn't possess the attributes at this level, how can you say the other strikers do?
Well take Beestin and Kiwomya out of it and the other strikers are proven at this level, I won't form an opinion on Kiwomya as I've not seen enough of him yet, Beestin in my opinion is a lot more developed at this stage compared to May, thats a good comparison given they have both come in from non league
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I've nowt against your opinion that Beestin is better than May. In terms of present form, he might be. But to say May has no pace or physicality and is too small to head the ball doesn't give justice to him, nor Darren Ferguson who obviously doesn't share your view either.
I could, of course, agree with you for an easy life, but what would be the point of both of us being wrong?
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I've nowt against your opinion that Beestin is better than May. In terms of present form, he might be. But to say May has no pace or physicality and is too small to head the ball doesn't give justice to him, nor Darren Ferguson who obviously doesn't share your view either.
I could, of course, agree with you for an easy life, but what would be the point of both of us being wrong?
We'd both be right in that instance though 😀
But what I will offer you though is a £50 bet that May never plays above the level he is playing at now
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Why are you changing the subject? How many of our present squad WILL play at a higher level?
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If we're to have a core of four first team strikers going forward, I see no problems with May being one of them. That's along with Marquis, Kiwomya and either Mandeville or a new signing in the summer to replace him. He's probably not going to become a 20-goal striker in League One but he is useful, can make an impact off the bench and does know how to score goals, as he showed at the start of this season.
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I disagree. May has been our most prolific striker in terms of playing time, obviously now discounting Kiwomya unless you want to be flippant. With that in mind, if May doesn't possess the attributes at this level, how can you say the other strikers do?
You’re really judging the player on a four game spell earlier this season if you are solely going on his scoring record. He had masses of fortune with some of those goals. You have to judge him on what you see week in week out, not necessarily just goals. Put a traffic cone in the 6 yard box and it would score the odd goal.
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Why are you changing the subject? How many of our present squad WILL play at a higher level?
Not changing the subject, I've been consistant in my opinion of May, I never mentioned anything about any other player playing at a higher level.
I've read this forum and your posts long enough to know that right or wrong will will argue black is white until whoever you are arguing with gives up through shear boredom
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No, I'm not! I'm judging him on being the most prolific scorer in terms of playing time. Just because he scored them within a certain period doesn't make it less of a fact, nor is it a reason why none of the other players has scored more.
And of course, it wasn't just those four games where he was a real handful for opposing defenders.
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Why are you changing the subject? How many of our present squad WILL play at a higher level?
Not changing the subject, I've been consistant in my opinion of May, I never mentioned anything about any other player playing at a higher level.
I've read this forum and your posts long enough to know that right or wrong will will argue black is white until whoever you are arguing with gives up through shear boredom
HAHA, coming from anyone else, OK, but you are having a larf!
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All these praises on how they Played against Fleetwood ????
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Why are you changing the subject? How many of our present squad WILL play at a higher level?
Not changing the subject, I've been consistant in my opinion of May, I never mentioned anything about any other player playing at a higher level.
I've read this forum and your posts long enough to know that right or wrong will will argue black is white until whoever you are arguing with gives up through shear boredom
From what I have seen so far from Alfie May he is National league standard. That is not to say he can’t get to league 1 standard, but he is a long way off at the moment & he is 24yrs old so time is not on his side regarding development. Don’t forget he has jumped up 5/6 leagues.
That is a heck of a bridge to climb. In my opinion I don’t think he has enough to make it.
I genuinely hope I am wrong because the lad is so enthusiastic and is living his dream.
As for Alfie Beestin, well the progress he is making from the level he was playing at is quite outstanding to be honest. He is looking like a serious footballer in the making. Only still 19 i think, so the worlds his oyster.
What has happened to Mandeville is sole destroying for such a talented player. If it’s an attitude problem then that’s his fault and only he can sort that out. If it isn’t he needs an arm round his neck and being told to show how good he is and or could become. I will be pleased for him if he is successful for another club but angry that he didn’t become a star for Rovers.
IMO he is the best player to come out of the youth team probably since Paul Green
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May v Beestin is an unfair comparison, because Beestin has been with us longer and has therefore taken more on board. May is still very much learning his trade at this level.
Both have potential. And that is why we signed them. They are both developing players.
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Another thing on May, up until he got injured in October he was playing very well and causing lots of problems every game even when he wasn't scoring. Since returning he's only had one brief run in the team and he hasn't hit the same levels. However, fans must have short memories if they have forgotten how effective he was in those early months of the season. He soon usurped Mandeville for a starting berth and looked a good partner for Marquis up front. He did very well in the game at Arsenal too which is no mean feat.
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May v Beestin is an unfair comparison, because Beestin has been with us longer and has therefore taken more on board. May is still very much learning his trade at this level.
Both have potential. And that is why we signed them. They are both developing players.
Yes but there is a 5 yr age difference so I don’t think it’s unfair Alan because May should have had a head start.
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May performed very well in the last Development game, as well, the one he volunteered to play in to keep up his match fitness.
We seem very quick to make a judgement on him! When you consider what level he has come from, you could argue that there is no way he should have had any first team games yet. But, he has and he has scored goals - probably not as many as we would like, but let us see how things develop.
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B.B. you seemed perfectly able to do it with Mandeville, backed up by other people, but now the apple of your eye has opened other peoples eyes to his frailties its wrong.
I hope you are not including me as someone who backs others up about Liam. My opionions are entirely my own
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May v Beestin is an unfair comparison, because Beestin has been with us longer and has therefore taken more on board. May is still very much learning his trade at this level.
Both have potential. And that is why we signed them. They are both developing players.
Yes but there is a 5 yr age difference so I don’t think it’s unfair Alan because May should have had a head start.
I understand the age difference but you could also argue Beestin has the 6 month head start of professional training having signed him before May with May clearly having more time to pick up non-league habits that he probably has had to stop doing.
May began the season well scoring a few goals and then suffered his first major injury as a professional. Came back into the side, scored against Rochdale before New Year then obviously put in the horrific performance vs Plymouth at home.
The guy clearly has lots to learn and I don't see him as the player to take us to the next level but he's here and he does offer something.
Harsh to criticise him for Saturday. He came on into a team that was coasting to victory so he was hardly going to get many chances. The chance he got was tougher than people are making out too. he was going away from goal and the ball was fizzed into his feet. He did well to control and try to set someone up.
He's a good player but nothing more imo. Offers something but will not take us the the next level. He's a player that I wouldn't be disappointed if he stays but also wouldn't be disappointed if he left.
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Age difference isn't really relevant, it's how long they've been at the club.
May was outstanding against hull, only against their reserves but he was full of confidence then.
I thought he was good at Peterborough, but since then he's struggled when given a chance.
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Age difference is relevant. Beestin has got more of an oportunity to learn his trade. May needs to be at his peak in 2/3 years. If he is not then he is going to struggle to make it in the football league.
I hope he does as it’s difficult not to like him. Good luck to him.
It would be foolish of me to expect a certain person on here to actually agree with anything i post on this site. I don’t mind anybody having different opinions that’s what makes interesting debate.
But it’s just pathetic and childish when opinions are deliberately opposed just to try and create an argument.
Get a life you sad man. You are now just called “a certain person” and you have no name from now on.
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Campsall, remember !!
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Age difference is relevant. Beestin has got more of an oportunity to learn his trade. May needs to be at his peak in 2/3 years. If he is not then he is going to struggle to make it in the football league.
I hope he does as it’s difficult not to like him. Good luck to him.
It would be foolish of me to expect a certain person on here to actually agree with anything i post on this site. I don’t mind anybody having different opinions that’s what makes interesting debate.
But it’s just pathetic and childish when opinions are deliberately opposed just to try and create an argument.
Get a life you sad man. You are now just called “a certain person” and you have no name from now on.
Deliberately opposed!!
Get a grip.
More than just me on this post suggesting his time as a pro footballer is more relevant than his age cocker.
As usual though you're just picking up on my view and ignoring the rest who disagree with you.
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Campsall, remember !!
Person with no name will do. It’s sad very sad. All I want to do is exchange views.
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And that's all we're doing!
You just don't seem to be able to cope with me not agreeing with you on some things. Even when other have the same point of view as me you snap back at me.
Person with no name, is all very grown up isn't it