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Title: IF we get relegated…
Post by: colincramb on January 15, 2022, 05:51:58 pm
How many of the current squad will stick around for league 2? I’m thinking particularly about our ‘better’ players/bigger earners. So;

Anderson
Olowu
Rowe
Bostock
Close
Barlow
Bogle
Knoyle??
Ferji
Taylor

There might be a few more I’ve forgot about because they’ve been out so long. But that’s 10 players there i’m not sure would be up for barrow away next year. Another big rebuild ahead by the looks of it.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: adamtherover on January 15, 2022, 05:58:22 pm
#when
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: normal rules on January 15, 2022, 06:02:43 pm
When, not if.
Realism not fantasy.
I’m ok with that too.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 15, 2022, 06:07:47 pm
The answer is the ones who've got contracts (even then, there's a couple I would consider paying up).
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: colincramb on January 15, 2022, 06:08:46 pm
Yes i think it’s inevitable too. But just didn’t want to sound too doom and gloom. 5 of the 10 above are injured. Makes you wonder what difference that might have made if they’d stayed fit though
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Bessie Red on January 15, 2022, 06:11:02 pm
How many of the current squad will stick around for league 2? I’m thinking particularly about our ‘better’ players/bigger earners. So;

Anderson
Olowu
Rowe
Bostock
Close
Barlow
Bogle
Knoyle??
Ferji
Taylor

There might be a few more I’ve forgot about because they’ve been out so long. But that’s 10 players there i’m not sure would be up for barrow away next year. Another big rebuild ahead by the looks of it.

Think only Anderson, Bostock and Fej will go out of that list.

Anderson been with us a while and probably needs to move on now, Bostock too good for Lge 2 and will probably get a move to a Lge 1 club, Fej will probably want a new challenge.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: colincramb on January 15, 2022, 06:11:38 pm
The answer is the ones who've got contracts (even then, there's a couple I would consider paying up).

Surely the only reason we’d do that is if they are ‘bad eggs’ and it’s for morale purposes and they also want to leave. Paying them up probably has the same effect on the budget than keeping them i would have thought?
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Padge_DRFC on January 15, 2022, 06:14:39 pm
Bostock will end up at Sheffield Wednesday.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: rich1471 on January 15, 2022, 06:18:03 pm
Look we are going down ,the signings we get should be a building for next season in lg 2.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: steve@dcfd on January 15, 2022, 06:18:42 pm
How many of the current squad will stick around for league 2? I’m thinking particularly about our ‘better’ players/bigger earners. So;

Anderson
Olowu
Rowe
Bostock
Close
Barlow
Bogle
Knoyle??
Ferji
Taylor

There might be a few more I’ve forgot about because they’ve been out so long. But that’s 10 players there i’m not sure would be up for barrow away next year. Another big rebuild ahead by the looks of it.


Anderson.   Out of contract
Olowu.         Contracted
Rowe.         Contracted
Bostock.      Out of contract
Close.          Contracted
Barlow.         Out of contract
Bogle.           Out of contract
Knoyle??        Contracted
Fej.               Out of contract
Taylor.            Contracted
John.               Out of contract
Williams Ro      Contracted
Gardner.         Out of contract
Dodoo.            Contracted
Hiwula.            Contracted
Jones.             Out of contract
Agard.              Contracted
Ravenhill.         Contracted

So there’s 10 contracted  players
Title: Re: IF we get relegated%u2026
Post by: Campsall rover on January 15, 2022, 06:32:41 pm
The following of,
Jones, Knoyle, Anderson, Oluwa, Seaman, Close, Rowe, Barlow, Agard,
If John, Taylor and Ferji are fit make the basis of a squad.
I would also offer Joe Wright a new deal if fit also.
Keep Horton and Hasani as back up.

Get rid of Williams ( if other centre backs stay ) Gardener, Hiwula, Dodoo, and Bogle and i do not see Bostock staying.

So we need a left back 2 midfielders, 2 strikers and a wide player and I would also get another keeper as not 100% with Jones as no 1 keeper.



Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: elmsallrover on January 15, 2022, 06:44:39 pm
Yes i think it’s inevitable too. But just didn’t want to sound too doom and gloom. 5 of the 10 above are injured. Makes you wonder what difference that might have made if they’d stayed fit though problem is if they are injured next season are we going to have the same thing again
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: since-1969 on January 15, 2022, 06:49:45 pm
How many of the current squad will stick around for league 2? I’m thinking particularly about our ‘better’ players/bigger earners. So;

Anderson
Olowu
Rowe
Bostock
Close
Barlow
Bogle
Knoyle??
Ferji
Taylor

There might be a few more I’ve forgot about because they’ve been out so long. But that’s 10 players there i’m not sure would be up for barrow away next year. Another big rebuild ahead by the looks of it.
IF ?
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Draytonian III on January 15, 2022, 06:58:16 pm
I thought Jones is under contract until the end of next season
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: silent majority on January 15, 2022, 07:06:24 pm
We also have options on a number of players so it’s our choice if we wish to keep them.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Sprotyrover on January 15, 2022, 07:09:14 pm
Anybody got the countdown app. I would like to see how many points we will probably get
Till end of season?
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Silkscarf on January 15, 2022, 07:17:53 pm
If we get relegated and players don’t want to wear the shirt then go. I don’t care who they are. I want to see players giving 100% for the Rovers. I am watching all the players very closely at this time. These are hard times and the good guys stand out a mile. Look at Tommy Rowe today. That’s what I want to see from now until May.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Cramby10 on January 15, 2022, 07:25:06 pm
I can’t believe there is a discussion about how many players we can keep for next season. This lot have put us in this diabolical situation. The more that leave the better in my eyes.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Padge_DRFC on January 15, 2022, 07:31:16 pm
The following of,
Jones, Knoyle, Anderson, Oluwa, Seaman, Close, Rowe, Barlow, Agard,
If John, Taylor and Ferji are fit make the basis of a squad.
I would also offer Joe Wright a new deal if fit also.
Keep Horton and Hasani as back up.

Get rid of Williams ( if other centre backs stay ) Gardener, Hiwula, Dodoo, and Bogle and i do not see Bostock staying.

So we need a left back 2 midfielders, 2 strikers and a wide player and I would also get another keeper as not 100% with Jones as no 1 keeper.





We will do well to shift Dodoo on whilst contracted.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Campsall rover on January 15, 2022, 08:08:15 pm
The following of,
Jones, Knoyle, Anderson, Oluwa, Seaman, Close, Rowe, Barlow, Agard,
If John, Taylor and Ferji are fit make the basis of a squad.
I would also offer Joe Wright a new deal if fit also.
Keep Horton and Hasani as back up.

Get rid of Williams ( if other centre backs stay ) Gardener, Hiwula, Dodoo, and Bogle and i do not see Bostock staying.

So we need a left back 2 midfielders, 2 strikers and a wide player and I would also get another keeper as not 100% with Jones as no 1 keeper.





We will do well to shift Dodoo on whilst contracted.
Yes it will be a problem. The names I gave are the ones I would keep and the ones I would ideally wish to get rid of.
What will happen of course may be different due to contracts.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: mpc123 on January 15, 2022, 08:14:22 pm
Anderson
Olowu
Rowe
Bostock
Close
Barlow
Bogle
Knoyle??
Ferji
Taylor

Good team for league 2 that
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Jersey Rover on January 15, 2022, 08:22:58 pm
With 4 decent bog standard league 1 additions this transfer window I see us escaping the drop. We have played with half a team all season and still only 10 pts off safety. I got a feeling things will turn around sharply with those few additions, keep the faith
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on January 15, 2022, 08:53:30 pm
Of the players out of contract i'd offer Barlow, Jones and Anderson deals. Subject to fitness and the deal suiting us i'd also want Fej, John and Bostock to stick around but it's really only if they can prove fitness at the end of the season. We might be in a decent position with these players too. Given the time they've had out we'd not face much competition you'd think.

Is Seaman contracted next year? like to keep him ideally.

Really though i'm not arsed if any leave baring probably Rowe and Close. Some are good players, like Anderson, but it just seems to have gone stale here maybe it's better they do move on even if logically it'd make sense to keep them.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Bailey Vickerage on January 15, 2022, 11:26:53 pm
I can’t see many of the better players going anywhere because most of them have been injured for the majority of the season so would be a big risk for teams to go and get them if they have other options. Taylor and okenabirhie are the best examples because they’ve hardly played at all this season and are both way too good for league 2. Then there’s the likes of Bostock, John, close who are also too good for league 2 but been injured most of the season.

The only players that we have that I can see maybe going are Anderson and maybe Rowe. Others may go but think that will be down to the club unless the lads out of contract don’t accept a new one.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: RoversAlias on January 15, 2022, 11:55:24 pm
I hope we can keep Okenabirhie and Taylor, if they're going to be fit. Both would be excellent players in League Two.

I would expect Anderson to leave if and when we do go down. Rowe it's hard to say, he was already dropping a level to come back here and he had no allegiance to Wellens that I'm aware of, so he may stay. He joined us permanently upon relegation to League Two last time as well, albeit under his mentor Ferguson.

As well as Anderson and Okenabirhie, we have Jones, John, Bostock, Gardner, E. Williams, Barlow and Bogle all out of contract. For me, I would be surprised if any of that lot other than Jones stays for various reasons.

So, potentially entering the summer with a senior squad of...

Jones, Knoyle, Seaman, Olowu, R. Williams, Horton, Ravenhill, Close, Rowe, Hiwula, Taylor, Okenabirhie, Dodoo and Agard + any new permanent signings made this month

It's not a bad base to build off for League Two in my opinion. We'd need key pieces right through the team, particularly in midfield, but I'd back the majority of those players to at least contribute at that level.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Bessie Red on January 16, 2022, 12:00:52 am
I hope we can keep Okenabirhie and Taylor, if they're going to be fit. Both would be excellent players in League Two.

I would expect Anderson to leave if and when we do go down. Rowe it's hard to say, he was already dropping a level to come back here and he had no allegiance to Wellens that I'm aware of, so he may stay. He joined us permanently upon relegation to League Two last time as well, albeit under his mentor Ferguson.

As well as Anderson and Okenabirhie, we have Jones, John, Bostock, Gardner, E. Williams, Barlow and Bogle all out of contract. For me, I would be surprised if any of that lot other than Jones stays for various reasons.

So, potentially entering the summer with a senior squad of...

Jones, Knoyle, Seaman, Olowu, R. Williams, Horton, Ravenhill, Close, Rowe, Hiwula, Taylor, Okenabirhie, Dodoo and Agard + any new permanent signings made this month

It's not a bad base to build off for League Two in my opinion. We'd need key pieces right through the team, particularly in midfield, but I'd back the majority of those players to at least contribute at that level.
Plus AJ Greaves and Lirak Hasani!
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: RoversAlias on January 16, 2022, 12:22:42 am
I hope we can keep Okenabirhie and Taylor, if they're going to be fit. Both would be excellent players in League Two.

I would expect Anderson to leave if and when we do go down. Rowe it's hard to say, he was already dropping a level to come back here and he had no allegiance to Wellens that I'm aware of, so he may stay. He joined us permanently upon relegation to League Two last time as well, albeit under his mentor Ferguson.

As well as Anderson and Okenabirhie, we have Jones, John, Bostock, Gardner, E. Williams, Barlow and Bogle all out of contract. For me, I would be surprised if any of that lot other than Jones stays for various reasons.

So, potentially entering the summer with a senior squad of...

Jones, Knoyle, Seaman, Olowu, R. Williams, Horton, Ravenhill, Close, Rowe, Hiwula, Taylor, Okenabirhie, Dodoo and Agard + any new permanent signings made this month

It's not a bad base to build off for League Two in my opinion. We'd need key pieces right through the team, particularly in midfield, but I'd back the majority of those players to at least contribute at that level.
Plus AJ Greaves and Lirak Hasani!

Both out of contract I believe, along with Blythe. Remains to be seen if any of them get kept on as senior players at this stage unfortunately.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Chris Black come back on January 16, 2022, 06:54:21 am
The players likely left here next season are unbelievably lightweight for a league that will arguably be physically far more demanding than League One.

I don’t buy the argument that League Two is one step up from Sunday league, but the areas of abject failure this season eg total and utter inability to defend set pieces and a gaping hole in midfield, are going to be bigger problems next season in that league.

I think last time it was a disgrace that Ferguson took us down and it was expected he would bring us up. This season we are going down with a justified whimper and I don’t see an immediate return given what we will have in the squad and yet another huge turnover of players.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: mushRTID on January 16, 2022, 07:39:19 am
I hope we can keep Okenabirhie and Taylor, if they're going to be fit. Both would be excellent players in League Two.

I would expect Anderson to leave if and when we do go down. Rowe it's hard to say, he was already dropping a level to come back here and he had no allegiance to Wellens that I'm aware of, so he may stay. He joined us permanently upon relegation to League Two last time as well, albeit under his mentor Ferguson.

As well as Anderson and Okenabirhie, we have Jones, John, Bostock, Gardner, E. Williams, Barlow and Bogle all out of contract. For me, I would be surprised if any of that lot other than Jones stays for various reasons.

So, potentially entering the summer with a senior squad of...

Jones, Knoyle, Seaman, Olowu, R. Williams, Horton, Ravenhill, Close, Rowe, Hiwula, Taylor, Okenabirhie, Dodoo and Agard + any new permanent signings made this month

It's not a bad base to build off for League Two in my opinion. We'd need key pieces right through the team, particularly in midfield, but I'd back the majority of those players to at least contribute at that level.
Plus AJ Greaves and Lirak Hasani!

Both wouldn’t and shouldn’t even make the bench in a promotion challenging side I’m afraid, even in league 2 from what Iv seen.

Probably ok squad players continuing their development.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: dickos1 on January 16, 2022, 09:54:00 am
The players likely left here next season are unbelievably lightweight for a league that will arguably be physically far more demanding than League One.

I don’t buy the argument that League Two is one step up from Sunday league, but the areas of abject failure this season eg total and utter inability to defend set pieces and a gaping hole in midfield, are going to be bigger problems next season in that league.

I think last time it was a disgrace that Ferguson took us down and it was expected he would bring us up. This season we are going down with a justified whimper and I don’t see an immediate return given what we will have in the squad and yet another huge turnover of players.

Players like Taylor, Anderson, John, okenabirhie, close, knoyle, agard, Rowe
Would comfortably be amongst the very top players in league 2
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Chris Black come back on January 16, 2022, 10:54:31 am
There is some truth there but of those, Anderson and John are out of contract this summer and you would think the chances of them re-signing are low. Then Taylor and Fejiri will effectively have not played football for over a year, so who knows what state they will be in.

We only know what we know and the only senior players contracted to be with us next season as it stands are Agard, Rowe, Taylor, Hiwula, Dodoo, Knoyle, Ro-Shaun, Seaman and Close. Nobody seems to know score with Fejiri, as to whether we have an option or not this summer. That is a group of players who Rowe aside, have massively underperformed in League One and on the basis of their performances this season, will struggle in League Two, whatever their past careers might suggest.

It's a steep hill we have to climb this summer yet again, putting a squad together than can both shed the seemingly deeply ingrained mindset of being losers, to both winning and adapting to new colleagues and a new league.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Upton Rover on January 16, 2022, 12:45:16 pm
We have got to be very careful in L2 with the wrong choice of players we could easily become a Chesterfield
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: sedwardsdrfc on January 16, 2022, 01:05:43 pm
All our best players would be top players in L2 so on paper we should keep all of the better ones.

But that's on paper. Who knows how good Fej will be after a year without playing a game. The rest have consistently been missing games through injuries this season. We don't know enough about these injuries to judge whether they'll be reoccurring issues or something they can recover from hopefully the clubs medical department will before making a decision. 

I guess what I'm saying is our backup players need to very good if we're relying on so many players who have histories of been injured. I'd rather sign slightly worse players who you can rely upon for a full season than players like Bostock who always seems to be either injured or playing themselves back to match sharpness from their last injury.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: BigH on January 16, 2022, 01:29:33 pm
To give ourselves the best chance of doing anything in L2 and not falling straight through again we need to get back to a winning mentality.

That is the only ambition I hold for the rest of this season.

Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: dickos1 on January 16, 2022, 02:19:51 pm
There is some truth there but of those, Anderson and John are out of contract this summer and you would think the chances of them re-signing are low. Then Taylor and Fejiri will effectively have not played football for over a year, so who knows what state they will be in.

We only know what we know and the only senior players contracted to be with us next season as it stands are Agard, Rowe, Taylor, Hiwula, Dodoo, Knoyle, Ro-Shaun, Seaman and Close. Nobody seems to know score with Fejiri, as to whether we have an option or not this summer. That is a group of players who Rowe aside, have massively underperformed in League One and on the basis of their performances this season, will struggle in League Two, whatever their past careers might suggest.

It's a steep hill we have to climb this summer yet again, putting a squad together than can both shed the seemingly deeply ingrained mindset of being losers, to both winning and adapting to new colleagues and a new league.

Very harsh to suggest seaman has massively underachieved this season.
Knoyle has already proven to be amongst the best players in league 2 and he was outstanding yesterday.
Those players are all proven very good players for this level and would comfortably be amongst the best players in league 2
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 16, 2022, 06:41:00 pm
We have got to be very careful in L2 with the wrong choice of players we could easily become a Chesterfield

Given the current trajectories of them and us, i'd be happy with becoming another Chesterfield.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Campsall rover on January 16, 2022, 08:17:35 pm
There is some truth there but of those, Anderson and John are out of contract this summer and you would think the chances of them re-signing are low. Then Taylor and Fejiri will effectively have not played football for over a year, so who knows what state they will be in.

We only know what we know and the only senior players contracted to be with us next season as it stands are Agard, Rowe, Taylor, Hiwula, Dodoo, Knoyle, Ro-Shaun, Seaman and Close. Nobody seems to know score with Fejiri, as to whether we have an option or not this summer. That is a group of players who Rowe aside, have massively underperformed in League One and on the basis of their performances this season, will struggle in League Two, whatever their past careers might suggest.

It's a steep hill we have to climb this summer yet again, putting a squad together than can both shed the seemingly deeply ingrained mindset of being losers, to both winning and adapting to new colleagues and a new league.

Very harsh to suggest seaman has massively underachieved this season.
Knoyle has already proven to be amongst the best players in league 2 and he was outstanding yesterday.
Those players are all proven very good players for this level and would comfortably be amongst the best players in league 2
While that may be true on paper dickos the fact is losing is a habit the same as winning.
Our players have forgotten how to win. That was proved in the Morecambe game and then not even looking remotely interested in the Fleetwood game. A must win game.

We need to get a winning mentality back well before this season ends. Going into next season with the same losing mentality we have now will not get us far in league 2 or any league.

Ability is one thing, the right mentality is another. Success only comes from having both.
In fact the latter is probably more important.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: dickos1 on January 16, 2022, 08:26:04 pm
There is some truth there but of those, Anderson and John are out of contract this summer and you would think the chances of them re-signing are low. Then Taylor and Fejiri will effectively have not played football for over a year, so who knows what state they will be in.

We only know what we know and the only senior players contracted to be with us next season as it stands are Agard, Rowe, Taylor, Hiwula, Dodoo, Knoyle, Ro-Shaun, Seaman and Close. Nobody seems to know score with Fejiri, as to whether we have an option or not this summer. That is a group of players who Rowe aside, have massively underperformed in League One and on the basis of their performances this season, will struggle in League Two, whatever their past careers might suggest.

It's a steep hill we have to climb this summer yet again, putting a squad together than can both shed the seemingly deeply ingrained mindset of being losers, to both winning and adapting to new colleagues and a new league.

Very harsh to suggest seaman has massively underachieved this season.
Knoyle has already proven to be amongst the best players in league 2 and he was outstanding yesterday.
Those players are all proven very good players for this level and would comfortably be amongst the best players in league 2
While that may be true on paper dickos the fact is losing is a habit the same as winning.
Our players have forgotten how to win. That was proved in the Morecambe game and then not even looking remotely interested in the Fleetwood game. A must win game.

We need to get a winning mentality back well before this season ends. Going into next season with the same losing mentality we have now will not get us far in league 2 or any league.

Ability is one thing, the right mentality is another. Success only comes from having both.
In fact the latter is probably more important.

I imagine you wrote a post identical to this the last time we ended up in league 2 and I can vividly remember you saying we had more chance of leaving league 2 out the relegation door than we did winning promotion.
We went on to achieve probably Our most comfortable promotion in our history.
So rather than torturing yourself again by being so unreasonably negative why don’t you try a different approach this time
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 16, 2022, 08:28:11 pm
A different approach?

Why? Will this change results on the pitch?

Quick, someone give Uri Geller a call. His positive thinking techniques can ensure that our strikers can score more than 1 goal each in the second half of the season.

If only we had the same resilience and determination as Derby.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Campsall rover on January 16, 2022, 08:33:19 pm
What we need more than anything is a proper leader on the pitch. A Rob Jones type character is needed ideally.
We need 3 experienced players added to this team. Leaders on the pitch who will get hold of a game by the scruff of the neck and bring the others up to speed with their example.
When we go behind we look resigned to defeat. That would never happen with a real leader on the pitch.

Just imagine how good Galbraith would have been in that 2012/13 team.
All he has been doing this season is fighting fires in a team with a losing mentality. Most of our current team have resigned themselves to losing before they cross the white line.
Tommy Rowe is an exception. He has always given 100% but he is not a miracle worker and has had to play various roles in the team which have not helped.

The mentality has to change very quickly but that will only happen with the right characters added to the squad.

Title: Re: IF we get relegated%u2026
Post by: Campsall rover on January 16, 2022, 09:07:47 pm
There is some truth there but of those, Anderson and John are out of contract this summer and you would think the chances of them re-signing are low. Then Taylor and Fejiri will effectively have not played football for over a year, so who knows what state they will be in.

We only know what we know and the only senior players contracted to be with us next season as it stands are Agard, Rowe, Taylor, Hiwula, Dodoo, Knoyle, Ro-Shaun, Seaman and Close. Nobody seems to know score with Fejiri, as to whether we have an option or not this summer. That is a group of players who Rowe aside, have massively underperformed in League One and on the basis of their performances this season, will struggle in League Two, whatever their past careers might suggest.

It's a steep hill we have to climb this summer yet again, putting a squad together than can both shed the seemingly deeply ingrained mindset of being losers, to both winning and adapting to new colleagues and a new league.

Very harsh to suggest seaman has massively underachieved this season.
Knoyle has already proven to be amongst the best players in league 2 and he was outstanding yesterday.
Those players are all proven very good players for this level and would comfortably be amongst the best players in league 2
While that may be true on paper dickos the fact is losing is a habit the same as winning.
Our players have forgotten how to win. That was proved in the Morecambe game and then not even looking remotely interested in the Fleetwood game. A must win game.

We need to get a winning mentality back well before this season ends. Going into next season with the same losing mentality we have now will not get us far in league 2 or any league.

Ability is one thing, the right mentality is another. Success only comes from having both.
In fact the latter is probably more important.

I imagine you wrote a post identical to this the last time we ended up in league 2 and I can vividly remember you saying we had more chance of leaving league 2 out the relegation door than we did winning promotion.
We went on to achieve probably Our most comfortable promotion in our history.
So rather than torturing yourself again by being so unreasonably negative why don%u2019t you try a different approach this time
Oh dear, Dickos you are making things up. Show me the post where I said that. Now it seems you are getting back to your old ways. Trying to create a pointless argument.

You carry on believing what you want. You will never accept what anyone else thinks.

Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: dickos1 on January 16, 2022, 09:25:51 pm
A different approach?

Why? Will this change results on the pitch?

Quick, someone give Uri Geller a call. His positive thinking techniques can ensure that our strikers can score more than 1 goal each in the second half of the season.

If only we had the same resilience and determination as Derby.

Unsurprisingly you’ve missed the point,

When we got relegated last time many on here were adamant we would struggle in league 2, we didn’t.
So why have the same approach again if we do go down
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: dickos1 on January 16, 2022, 09:31:42 pm
There is some truth there but of those, Anderson and John are out of contract this summer and you would think the chances of them re-signing are low. Then Taylor and Fejiri will effectively have not played football for over a year, so who knows what state they will be in.

We only know what we know and the only senior players contracted to be with us next season as it stands are Agard, Rowe, Taylor, Hiwula, Dodoo, Knoyle, Ro-Shaun, Seaman and Close. Nobody seems to know score with Fejiri, as to whether we have an option or not this summer. That is a group of players who Rowe aside, have massively underperformed in League One and on the basis of their performances this season, will struggle in League Two, whatever their past careers might suggest.

It's a steep hill we have to climb this summer yet again, putting a squad together than can both shed the seemingly deeply ingrained mindset of being losers, to both winning and adapting to new colleagues and a new league.

Very harsh to suggest seaman has massively underachieved this season.
Knoyle has already proven to be amongst the best players in league 2 and he was outstanding yesterday.
Those players are all proven very good players for this level and would comfortably be amongst the best players in league 2
While that may be true on paper dickos the fact is losing is a habit the same as winning.
Our players have forgotten how to win. That was proved in the Morecambe game and then not even looking remotely interested in the Fleetwood game. A must win game.

We need to get a winning mentality back well before this season ends. Going into next season with the same losing mentality we have now will not get us far in league 2 or any league.

Ability is one thing, the right mentality is another. Success only comes from having both.
In fact the latter is probably more important.

I imagine you wrote a post identical to this the last time we ended up in league 2 and I can vividly remember you saying we had more chance of leaving league 2 out the relegation door than we did winning promotion.
We went on to achieve probably Our most comfortable promotion in our history.
So rather than torturing yourself again by being so unreasonably negative why don%u2019t you try a different approach this time
Oh dear, Dickos you are making things up. Show me the post where I said that. Now it seems you are getting back to your old ways. Trying to create a pointless argument.

You carry on believing what you want. You will never accept what anyone else thinks.



I’m obviously not going to look back through all your posts from back then,
But you know that you didn’t rate Ferguson and you know you didn’t think we’d do anything in league 2 with him in charge
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 16, 2022, 09:35:59 pm
Bit like me then. My thoughts exactly about GM and league 2.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: dickos1 on January 16, 2022, 09:43:27 pm
Bit like me then. My thoughts exactly about GM and league 2.

Exactly but he proved them wrong
So hopefully GM will prove u wrong
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: ColinDouglasHandshake on January 16, 2022, 09:45:14 pm
Bit like me then. My thoughts exactly about GM and league 2.

Exactly but he proved them wrong
So hopefully GM will prove u wrong

Nothing would give me greater satisfaction.

The early signs are worrying IMO but he's got half a season at least to impress.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: Campsall rover on January 16, 2022, 09:45:39 pm
No your not because you won’t find it. I never said it. Fact.

No I did not rate Fergie. He continually put round pegs in square holes.
He got us relegated by playing a system that didn’t work and refused to change it.
We then failed to win the league from a position of a one horse race.

This conversation though is not about Fergie and to bring him up is just diverting from what is happening to our team now. Something that you refuse to accept.
Well that is fine with me. We are not mathematically relegated and while we are not we must keep going.  But even I am not a blind optimist.
We have to turn the losing into winning at some point and we need to do it this season as we need some momentum before next season.
There is nothing I have seen yet that gives me any hope that we could possibly stay up though.
I would as I said be over the moon to be proved wrong.
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: SkellowNorthBranchKarl on January 17, 2022, 01:15:38 am
How many of the current squad will stick around for league 2? I’m thinking particularly about our ‘better’ players/bigger earners. So;

Anderson
Olowu
Rowe
Bostock
Close
Barlow
Bogle
Knoyle??
Ferji
Taylor

There might be a few more I’ve forgot about because they’ve been out so long. But that’s 10 players there i’m not sure would be up for barrow away next year. Another big rebuild ahead by the looks of it.


Anderson.   Out of contract
Olowu.         Contracted
Rowe.         Contracted
Bostock.      Out of contract
Close.          Contracted
Barlow.         Out of contract
Bogle.           Out of contract
Knoyle??        Contracted
Fej.               Out of contract
Taylor.            Contracted
John.               Out of contract
Williams Ro      Contracted
Gardner.         Out of contract
Dodoo.            Contracted
Hiwula.            Contracted
Jones.             Out of contract
Agard.              Contracted
Ravenhill.         Contracted

So there’s 10 contracted  players
Title: Re: IF we get relegated…
Post by: SkellowNorthBranchKarl on January 17, 2022, 01:16:48 am
Out of the all the "out of contract" players I'd only keep tom,fej,and cam john.