MPs pay award

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Their pay increase ought to be tied and be the same as the percentage increase in benefits.

Not sure you'd actually agree with that this year.  MP's expected to get something like 2.9% increase.  Benefits are going up over 10% (which would be over 8k for MPs).

That is true but wouldn't they have already benefitted from all the other raises to MPs pay and therefore not be so far behind?

Not correct actually.

Welfare spend since 2010-11 has increased more than MP's salary according to these figures anyway.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/283954/benefit-expenditure-in-the-uk/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/388885/mp-salary-uk/

[wilts rover]

Does that benefit sum include pensions & what about MP's salary + MP's expenses?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Their pay increase ought to be tied and be the same as the percentage increase in benefits.

Not sure you'd actually agree with that this year.  MP's expected to get something like 2.9% increase.  Benefits are going up over 10% (which would be over 8k for MPs).

That is true but wouldn't they have already benefitted from all the other raises to MPs pay and therefore not be so far behind?

Not correct actually.

Welfare spend since 2010-11 has increased more than MP's salary according to these figures anyway.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/283954/benefit-expenditure-in-the-uk/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/388885/mp-salary-uk/

Those really aren't valid comparisons.

1) The benefits figure is the total budget, not the amount any specific individual would get.

2) The vast majority of the increase in the benefits bill has gone to increases in the State Pension. The increase in working age benefits has been much, much lower.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

How many variables we throwing in?  I'm sure someone with more inclination and time can delve right in to the detail if they wish to.

[roverstillidie91]

Their pay increase ought to be tied and be the same as the percentage increase in benefits.

Not sure you'd actually agree with that this year.  MP's expected to get something like 2.9% increase.  Benefits are going up over 10% (which would be over 8k for MPs).

That is true but wouldn't they have already benefitted from all the other raises to MPs pay and therefore not be so far behind?

Not correct actually.

Welfare spend since 2010-11 has increased more than MP's salary according to these figures anyway.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/283954/benefit-expenditure-in-the-uk/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/388885/mp-salary-uk/

Those really are valid comparisons.

1) The benefits figure is the total budget, not the amount any specific individual would get.

2) The vast majority of the increase in the benefits bill has gone to increases in the State Pension. The increase in working age benefits has been much, much lower.

There is that much fraud that goes on, including people I know i don't agree with it. Single claims, individuals over exaggerating their disability claims. All comes at a cost to the public purse.

It is always said that about immigrants coming from abroad however I'd imagine there is more of a cost from British claimants than there is from abroad, then again we don't want them here do we but then can't find people to do the jobs some workshy britain don't want to do..

Am not defending single claimants however when you have a system where a couple works and has children and is worse off than children is wrong.

It's all messed up this country.

[SydneyRover]

''This report provides estimates of fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain for the financial year 2021 to 2022.

The main points from the report are:

4.0% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error

the estimated value of overpayments was £8.6 billion

1.2% of total benefit expenditure (or £2.6 billion) was underpaid due to fraud and error

the net government loss, after recoveries, was £7.6 billion, or 3.5% of benefit expenditure

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-financial-year-2021-to-2022-estimates#:~:text=Details,due%20to%20fraud%20and%20error

''Tax lost in UK amounts to £35bn – almost half, say campaigners, due to fraud''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/16/tax-lost-in-uk-amounts-to-35bn-almost-half-say-campaigners-due-to

RTID91, have a look at this and think about where resources should be concentrated.

[ravenrover]

Does that benefit sum include pensions & what about MP's salary + MP's expenses?

You forgot subsidised Bar and Restaurant