Brexit deal

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB
You've clearly got no idea how fast my fingers work.

[Bentley Bullet]

BST, I know I should learn to not respond to your posts until you've finally edited them.

Eeh, third division off-topic football forums eh!

[SydneyRover]

There you go BB have some more of the same, with a free set of steak knives!

''Brexit: Nigel Farage left red-faced after his incorrect facts about Ireland and EU on live TV''

https://www.indy100.com/article/nigel-farage-brexit-ireland-eu-claire-byrne-live-tv-rte-one-watch-video-8752246

[BillyStubbsTears]

TRB

As I was saying before BB stuck his two pennorth in to tell us we were embarrassing him, there used to be lots of folk on the Right telling us we should go for a Norway type deal. There's a good few in this thread here.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hugorifkind/status/771751345841987584

And here's another video of Farage thumping the tub for a Norway arrangement.

https://t.co/7TwajXuVmN

Go on. All of you who tell us that the Brexit vote means we have to leave ALL the arrangements with the EU and that everyone knew that in 2016. Watch that video. Watch every second of it. And then sit down and have a think how that lying, devious shite has treated you as idiots, to be manipulated as he wishes.

[Boomstick]

Right.

I've just watched 2001: A Space Odyssey with the kids. They've just seen the most incomprehensible final 20 minutes of any film in history.

And that was easy to absorb compared to trying to figure out what the f**king hell BS is on about.

Well, if you don't know the meaning from 2001. Your not gonna get your head around brexit, probably why you've posted nothing but shite about it for 2 years.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BS

That's priceless.

You recycle a 20 year old bad joke about Ryanair, make some bizarre non-sequitur about the EU and accuse someone else of talking shite!

[foxbat]

Francis Grove-White Retweeted People's Vote UK

Farage in 2015: "We will have our own free trade deal with the EU."
 
Farage in 2016: "If Norway, Iceland & Switzerland  can get deals that suit them, we can get something far, far better than that."
 
Farage in 2019: "We didn’t vote for a deal."

Just Lies and more Lies

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

So they to use the hated football phrase "go again" in June.  Meanwhile the country limps on in a state of paralysis with Farage likely to make successful election gains - super!

[SydneyRover]

Scum always rises to the top? These are the people arranging the future of the UK to suit themselves.

''Arron Banks 'gave £450,000 funding to Nigel Farage after Brexit vote'

Tycoon provided Farage with Chelsea home, car and money to promote him in US, Channel 4 News claims''

''Banks is under investigation by the National Crime Agency over allegations of criminal offences by him and his unofficial leave campaign in the EU referendum. Farage has said that Banks is not funding the Brexit party.

According to Channel 4 News, the documents show that Banks and his companies, organised and funded visits to the US by Farage in the year after the referendum, including a trip in July 2016 to the Republican national convention''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/16/arron-banks-allegedly-gave-450000-funding-to-nigel-farage-after-brexit-vote

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sydney

It's even better than that.

The company Banks used to pay for Farage's £4m house and his chauffeur (man of the people eh?...my f**king sweaty arse. He's making idiots of you...) is the same one that the Electoral Commission accuse him of illegally using to fund Vote Leave. Illegal, because it's not a British registered company. And because it's not British registered, there was no way of clarifying where the company's income came from. But it DID suddenly have enough cash to start bankrolling Vote Leave and Farage's 5* lifestyle immediately after Banks had 13 meetings with the Russian Ambassador.

[SydneyRover]

Sydney

It's even better than that.

The company Banks used to pay for Farage's £4m house and his chauffeur (man of the people eh?...my f**king sweaty arse. He's making idiots of you...) is the same one that the Electoral Commission accuse him of illegally using to fund Vote Leave. Illegal, because it's not a British registered company. And because it's not British registered, there was no way of clarifying where the company's income came from. But it DID suddenly have enough cash to start bankrolling Vote Leave and Farage's 5* lifestyle immediately after Banks had 13 meetings with the Russian Ambassador.

No comment-apparently

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2019/may/14/steve-bell-on-nigel-farage-and-the-brexit-party-cartoon

[bpoolrover]

At the minute there are no charges against anyone if I start posting that you Sydney are let’s say up to no good is that ok? Same goes for you bst? Let’s see what charges as they must be criminals are brought against them before you have them hanged

[SydneyRover]

At the minute there are no charges against anyone if I start posting that you Sydney are let’s say up to no good is that ok? Same goes for you bst? Let’s see what charges as they must be criminals are brought against them before you have them hanged

If you ever see me knowingly hanging around or consorting with known liars and deceptive people I hereby give you permission to do just that BP but you would want to be sure of your facts otherwise it's your own reputation that will suffer.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

Yes, in fairness, you are correct that no criminal charges have been brought against Banks.

This is the state of play with him.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/party-and-election-finance-to-keep/arron-banks,-better-for-the-country-and-others-referred-to-the-national-crime-agency-for-multiple-suspected-offences

That in itself is unprecedented. No one in our history has been referred to the police by the Electoral Commission for suspected criminal activity on that scale.

The police have taken six months over this investigation so far. This is the latest update.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Len_Duvall/status/1128296130830307328

[SydneyRover]

Over to you BP, some questions, do you open and read any of the links, the people writing up these articles are open to libel proceedings if they get it wrong but so far Banks hasn't taken that option and it's not that he hasn't got the money to do so is it, why do you think that is?

[Bentley Bullet]

Bpool.

Yes, in fairness, you are correct that no criminal charges have been brought against Banks.

This is the state of play with him.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/party-and-election-finance-to-keep/arron-banks,-better-for-the-country-and-others-referred-to-the-national-crime-agency-for-multiple-suspected-offences

That in itself is unprecedented. No one in our history has been referred to the police by the Electoral Commission for suspected criminal activity on that scale.

The police have taken six months over this investigation so far. This is the latest update.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Len_Duvall/status/1128296130830307328

Might that be because we have never had such a bitter and twisted, sour-faced, bunch of bad losers that are determined to overturn a democratically voted result by any desperate means available?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Banks and his cronies HAVE regularly threatened journalists investigating them with legal action for libel. I believe the latest count is 12 threats and zero actual legal actions.

After C4 broadcast the new last night that Banks's overseas company paid for Farage's luxury lifestyle (ever think you've been conned lads?) Banks's bitch Andy Wigmore was straight on Twitter telling C4 that the FBI would be investigating them.

https://mobile.twitter.com/andywigmore/status/1129051727892799491

Except then he changed his mind and said it would be a private prosecution.

https://mobile.twitter.com/andywigmore/status/1129286378561376256

These are the people who run the Brexit scam folks.

Low grade bully City of London barrow boys. These are the ones who you seem to think are on your side. It's pitiful to watch you being played for disposable idiots by them.

[SydneyRover]

Bpool.

Yes, in fairness, you are correct that no criminal charges have been brought against Banks.

This is the state of play with him.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/party-and-election-finance-to-keep/arron-banks,-better-for-the-country-and-others-referred-to-the-national-crime-agency-for-multiple-suspected-offences

That in itself is unprecedented. No one in our history has been referred to the police by the Electoral Commission for suspected criminal activity on that scale.

The police have taken six months over this investigation so far. This is the latest update.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Len_Duvall/status/1128296130830307328

Might that be because we have never had such bitter and twisted, sour-faced, bunch of bad losers that are determined to overturn a democratically voted result by any desperate means available?

Don't beat yourself up about it BB it's been an impossible task to point to any credible experts that show the UK will be in a better financial position following any form of Brexit.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB
The Electoral Commission is the independent body charged with ensuring that organisations stick to the law during elections.

You're calling them a bitter and twisted bunch of sour-faced losers?

And you keep telling us what a believer in democracy you are? Yet you keep up this act of only being interested in baiting people on the other side.

Strange, strange behaviour.

[Bentley Bullet]

Bpool.

Yes, in fairness, you are correct that no criminal charges have been brought against Banks.

This is the state of play with him.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/party-and-election-finance-to-keep/arron-banks,-better-for-the-country-and-others-referred-to-the-national-crime-agency-for-multiple-suspected-offences

That in itself is unprecedented. No one in our history has been referred to the police by the Electoral Commission for suspected criminal activity on that scale.

The police have taken six months over this investigation so far. This is the latest update.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Len_Duvall/status/1128296130830307328

Might that be because we have never had such bitter and twisted, sour-faced, bunch of bad losers that are determined to overturn a democratically voted result by any desperate means available?

Don't beat yourself up about it BB it's been an impossible task to point to any credible experts that show the UK will be in a better financial position following any form of Brexit.

It's only impossible because you won't accept anyone who disagrees with you as credible!

[Bentley Bullet]

BB
The Electoral Commission is the independent body charged with ensuring that organisations stick to the law during elections.

You're calling them a bitter and twisted bunch of sour-faced losers?


And you keep telling us what a believer in democracy you are? Yet you keep up this act of only being interested in baiting people on the other side.

Strange, strange behaviour.

Yes, BST, I am.

[Not Now Kato]

Bpool.

Yes, in fairness, you are correct that no criminal charges have been brought against Banks.

This is the state of play with him.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/party-and-election-finance-to-keep/arron-banks,-better-for-the-country-and-others-referred-to-the-national-crime-agency-for-multiple-suspected-offences

That in itself is unprecedented. No one in our history has been referred to the police by the Electoral Commission for suspected criminal activity on that scale.

The police have taken six months over this investigation so far. This is the latest update.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Len_Duvall/status/1128296130830307328

Might that be because we have never had such bitter and twisted, sour-faced, bunch of bad losers that are determined to overturn a democratically voted result by any desperate means available?

Don't beat yourself up about it BB it's been an impossible task to point to any credible experts that show the UK will be in a better financial position following any form of Brexit.

It's only impossible because you won't accept anyone who disagrees with you as credible!

The ones who have little or no credibility are those who ignore the facts and rely on sound-bites and rhetoric in an attempt to maintain an unsustainable stance.  Now BB, tell us how we, as a country, are going to be better off outside the EU.  In fact, just tell us how we are going to be as well off as we were before the referendum once outside the EU.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB
The Electoral Commission is the independent body charged with ensuring that organisations stick to the law during elections.

You're calling them a bitter and twisted bunch of sour-faced losers?


And you keep telling us what a believer in democracy you are? Yet you keep up this act of only being interested in baiting people on the other side.

Strange, strange behaviour.

Yes, BST, I am.

Give it a rest BB. You're making yourself look stupid and you are a lot better than that.

[SydneyRover]

Bpool.

Yes, in fairness, you are correct that no criminal charges have been brought against Banks.

This is the state of play with him.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/party-and-election-finance-to-keep/arron-banks,-better-for-the-country-and-others-referred-to-the-national-crime-agency-for-multiple-suspected-offences

That in itself is unprecedented. No one in our history has been referred to the police by the Electoral Commission for suspected criminal activity on that scale.

The police have taken six months over this investigation so far. This is the latest update.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Len_Duvall/status/1128296130830307328

Might that be because we have never had such bitter and twisted, sour-faced, bunch of bad losers that are determined to overturn a democratically voted result by any desperate means available?

Don't beat yourself up about it BB it's been an impossible task to point to any credible experts that show the UK will be in a better financial position following any form of Brexit.

It's only impossible because you won't accept anyone who disagrees with you as credible!
[/quote,
Apologies I didn't realise you'd posted any, I don't always check, please repost the articles thanks BB

[BillyStubbsTears]

NNK

It's far, far bigger than whether we are going to be better off inside or outside the EU. That's an entirely secondary issue.

The big issue is whether we as a population really care about crooks and spivs acting to undermine the entire democratic electoral process by syphoning in illegal money from overseas.

THAT is the big issue. And any body who says they passionately believe in democracy while ignoring that is either a liar or self-deluded.

[Bentley Bullet]

Bpool.

Yes, in fairness, you are correct that no criminal charges have been brought against Banks.

This is the state of play with him.

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/party-and-election-finance-to-keep/arron-banks,-better-for-the-country-and-others-referred-to-the-national-crime-agency-for-multiple-suspected-offences

That in itself is unprecedented. No one in our history has been referred to the police by the Electoral Commission for suspected criminal activity on that scale.

The police have taken six months over this investigation so far. This is the latest update.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Len_Duvall/status/1128296130830307328

Might that be because we have never had such bitter and twisted, sour-faced, bunch of bad losers that are determined to overturn a democratically voted result by any desperate means available?

Don't beat yourself up about it BB it's been an impossible task to point to any credible experts that show the UK will be in a better financial position following any form of Brexit.

It's only impossible because you won't accept anyone who disagrees with you as credible!
[/quote,
Apologies I didn't realise you'd posted any, I don't always check, please repost the articles thanks BB

I haven't posted any, for the reasons given in my last post. But there are high profile credible 'experts' who agree with BREXIT.

I describe them as 'experts' loosely, in order to keep in line with your description of what are really only forecasters.

[SydneyRover]

I agree with you there BB anyone that states we'll be better off would have to be described very loosley as an expert

[Bentley Bullet]

Well, there you go then.

[The Red Baron]

On the subject of the Withdrawal Bill that will be put before Parliament in the first week of June. It looks very likely that Labour, the Lib Dems and SNP will vote against the Second Reading. With the ERG and DUP also voting against, the Bill looks likely to be lost.

However, as a couple of MPs have pointed out, this makes a Second Referendum very unlikely and a No Deal Brexit very possible. The WA Bill, once it goes into Committee, could be amended in the way that the pro-Remain majority in Parliament wants. If the Bill falls, there would be no legislative vehicle to stop a new Hard Brexiteer Tory PM from doing nothing, and just allowing the UK to leave at the end of October with No Deal.

MPs on all sides need to think very carefully before they vote on this Bill.

[Not Now Kato]

NNK

It's far, far bigger than whether we are going to be better off inside or outside the EU. That's an entirely secondary issue.

The big issue is whether we as a population really care about crooks and spivs acting to undermine the entire democratic electoral process by syphoning in illegal money from overseas.

THAT is the big issue. And any body who says they passionately believe in democracy while ignoring that is either a liar or self-deluded.

I agree with you BST that it is very important indeed.  However, for the less well off in the country, (I strongly suspect that's the majority in those areas that overwhelmingly voted leave), the most important thing to them is money and what they can buy/rent with what they get.  However we leave the EU these are the very people who will be worse off than they were before the referendum. The degree of their being worse off is entirely dependant on the type of deal, (or no deal), we ultimately get.
 
I used to feel sorry for them, but as time progresses their blindly repeating the mantra of leave whilst ignoring all the things that will affect them negatively leaves me to think that they deserve all that they get.  It's akin to that famous line in many westerns, "Give me what's coming to me", just before the bad guy shoots them!  Having said that, I genuinely feel sorry for those less well off people who voted remain and are being dragged down by those who simply can't see the wood for the trees.