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Oh no our poor profits. It's massively wrong to hold HGV drivers responsible but it's inhumane talking about these PEOPLE! Not immigrants, not refugees, but people as though they are a hindrance, an insect that should be swatted away. PEOPLE escaping an existence that intolerable they are willing to risk their life. I know who's side I'm on. I suppose you're also against foreign aid and money leaving our shores? Please share your views on how you would solve this terrible situation where lives have been lost and more probably will, whilst we sit in our ivory towers.
You are having a bbq in your garden. You have cooked enough food for you, your wife and two kids. A complete stranger walks into your garden and says I'd like some. You get the wife to get some extras from the fridge and start feeding him as well. He then gets on his mobile and tells a couple of mates and they come round saying that they would like some food.The fridge is out of meat now so you send the wife to the shop and by the time she gets back another two have arrived.Tell me hand on heart how many would you feed before you said enough is enough. They also have no house so want to stay in your spare room or a tent in your garden.I appreciate living in a democracy but doubt that the majority of our voters would want ever increasing numbers of illegals entering our country.I also enjoyed a free education and health service but have paid tax and national insurance since the sixties. I still pay tax even in retirement so maybe the education and health service weren't as free as some people think.The problem needs solving in the countries they are leaving. Give them a good safe life and they will build their own country and future.It's not easy but that is what the UN should be trying to solve. The old saying, Give a man a fish and he will eat tonight, teach him to fish and he will eat every night is a very true analogy.
'I've already come up with the solution on another thread but I'll give you an abridged version here. We should do a leaflet drop over the countries that are supplying these economic migrants making it plain that we will sink any boats that try to reach Europe. They probably will think we are not serious so we need to sink a few boats so they know we mean business.'Our saviour, why has no one else brought up this spectacular idea of drowning many many innocent people including children? Innocent people who are fighting for a better life? A better life for their children who don't have access to education and other necessities we take for granted. Risking their life to free themselves of the turmoil they're currently in. The scroungers. That huge pedestal of yours that allows you to play God must have a fantastic view if it allows you to dream of ending a humans life with a blink of the eye. As much as there is wrong atm, I believe being born into what is currently called a democracy I have won the lottery. I am very lucky to have a free health service, benefits if I require them and a free education.
What about the millions of Sheep Horses Cows etc ?These poor creatures get transported live to all parts of Europe to satisfy the European market. They always travel in Lorries and I imagine it is a horrible way for them to get to their "fate" more especially in hot conditionsI wonder if they too are stuck in the queues - with just an odd meal and a drink to "make their journey" more pleasant. I think the average journey time for them is 48 hours as some do Scotland to Italy and adding ANY time to that journey is an appalling thing to doPoor innocent buggers
I've already come up with the solution on another thread but I'll give you an abridged version here. We should do a leaflet drop over the countries that are supplying these economic migrants making it plain that we will sink any boats that try to reach Europe. They probably will think we are not serious so we need to sink a few boats so they know we mean business.
The problem needs solving in the countries they are leaving.
Quote from: IC1967 on July 31, 2015, 11:05:34 pmI've already come up with the solution on another thread but I'll give you an abridged version here. We should do a leaflet drop over the countries that are supplying these economic migrants making it plain that we will sink any boats that try to reach Europe. They probably will think we are not serious so we need to sink a few boats so they know we mean business. So, you are saying we should kill some people by sinking boats, to act as a deterrent to others??Regardless of what you THINK about your own opinions and self importance, advocating the murder of fellow human beings plain blows your argument out of the water. Not only for this thread, but all the others you contribute to.And you challenge others to answer your questions yet promote opinions like that - so when challenged you go all political with avoiding questions by asking questions. Do you think we are so stupid we can't see that?Do us all a favour Adolf, and f*** off for good like you keep promising to, and this time don't come back like a bad dose of the clap!
Quote from: idler on August 01, 2015, 08:20:50 amThe problem needs solving in the countries they are leaving. That is the ultimate solution, but if you ask Mad Mick how he would propose that, I am sure he would offer a "final solution"..
IdlerThe analogy sounds great but it doesn't stand up. Despite the media line, these people are not coming to our country to free load. They are coming because they want opportunities. There is overwhelming evidence over many years from many countries that demonstrates that immigrants work harder than "indigenous" (whatever THAT means) people. They pay more I tax than they take out and they help drive economic growth. A better analogy is someone turning up at your barbecue and offering to do the washing up and to clean your bog. As for the line about why "these people" don't stop at the first country they come to, I truly despair. Millions, MILLIONS of them do. Do you think the UK is the only country that immigrants go to? We don't have a pin prick of a problem compared to other places. Lebanon is housing one Syrian refugee for every 3 Lebanese people. There are 2lion Syrian refugees in southern Turkey. There are thousands arriving in Greece and Spain and Italy. MBy contrast, on the news last night, they were shocked, SHOCKED that as many as FIFTY illegal immigrants per day might be getting through the tunnel. At that shocking, appalling rate, our population would increase by 1% by 2050. Get some perspective and think what other countries are dealing with. And think about OUR long term responsibility for much of the refugee/immigrant problem. What you are seeing is the final unravelling of the British and French Empires of the previous 2 centuries. The settlement that have so many of YOU the unearned comfortable lifestyles that you enjoy. What you sow, you reap.
Good luck on machine-gunning the boats from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Syria....
Quote from: wilts rover on August 01, 2015, 10:30:50 amGood luck on machine-gunning the boats from Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Syria....What are you babbling on about? The boats are predominantly coming from North Africa.
Quote from: IDM on August 01, 2015, 09:39:07 amQuote from: idler on August 01, 2015, 08:20:50 amThe problem needs solving in the countries they are leaving. That is the ultimate solution, but if you ask Mad Mick how he would propose that, I am sure he would offer a "final solution"..The problem needs solving in the countries they are leaving! Is that the best you can come up with? We can't solve their problems. We can help but only a tiny bit. It will take centuries for these people to sort things out. That's if they ever do. I'm not holding my breath. When they are so backward as to believe in religion like they do there is no hope for them. IC1967 (devout atheist)
Quote from: IDM on August 01, 2015, 09:37:26 amQuote from: IC1967 on July 31, 2015, 11:05:34 pmI've already come up with the solution on another thread but I'll give you an abridged version here. We should do a leaflet drop over the countries that are supplying these economic migrants making it plain that we will sink any boats that try to reach Europe. They probably will think we are not serious so we need to sink a few boats so they know we mean business. So, you are saying we should kill some people by sinking boats, to act as a deterrent to others??Regardless of what you THINK about your own opinions and self importance, advocating the murder of fellow human beings plain blows your argument out of the water. Not only for this thread, but all the others you contribute to.And you challenge others to answer your questions yet promote opinions like that - so when challenged you go all political with avoiding questions by asking questions. Do you think we are so stupid we can't see that?Do us all a favour Adolf, and f*** off for good like you keep promising to, and this time don't come back like a bad dose of the clap!Thank you for your sanctimonious post. It's a good job you weren't an advisor to Churchill. He had many people killed so even more people wouldn't die. It's called being practical. Think about the stupidity of your position. My solution would mean the loss of life of a few hundred people. Your solution to let things carry on as they are will mean the loss of life of many thousands. You are the one that is happy to see all these unnecessary deaths with your 'look at me aren't I a nice person' approach. Think again. It is me that is the nice person not you. IC1967 (not afraid to sink a few boats)
Quote from: IC1967 on August 01, 2015, 09:47:14 amQuote from: IDM on August 01, 2015, 09:37:26 amQuote from: IC1967 on July 31, 2015, 11:05:34 pmI've already come up with the solution on another thread but I'll give you an abridged version here. We should do a leaflet drop over the countries that are supplying these economic migrants making it plain that we will sink any boats that try to reach Europe. They probably will think we are not serious so we need to sink a few boats so they know we mean business. So, you are saying we should kill some people by sinking boats, to act as a deterrent to others??Regardless of what you THINK about your own opinions and self importance, advocating the murder of fellow human beings plain blows your argument out of the water. Not only for this thread, but all the others you contribute to.And you challenge others to answer your questions yet promote opinions like that - so when challenged you go all political with avoiding questions by asking questions. Do you think we are so stupid we can't see that?Do us all a favour Adolf, and f*** off for good like you keep promising to, and this time don't come back like a bad dose of the clap!Thank you for your sanctimonious post. It's a good job you weren't an advisor to Churchill. He had many people killed so even more people wouldn't die. It's called being practical. Think about the stupidity of your position. My solution would mean the loss of life of a few hundred people. Your solution to let things carry on as they are will mean the loss of life of many thousands. You are the one that is happy to see all these unnecessary deaths with your 'look at me aren't I a nice person' approach. Think again. It is me that is the nice person not you. IC1967 (not afraid to sink a few boats)Churchill?I assume you are talking about when we were at WAR?? And at a time when precision weaponry wasn't available, there would be non-combatants killed, and of course there was carpet bombing which these days is seen to be inexcusable. These days in military conflicts we use precision weapons to take out military targets. Most often this is hardware but will also include the people who are fighting as combatants, on the other side. Occasionally innocent bystanders will get involved, but they are not deliberately targeted, not by us anyway.And yes, I do know what I am talking about!You are advocating killing many innocent folks on boats - as a deterrent - and now as a way to get at the supposed terrorists using these innocents as human shields?You are advocating genocide, mass murder. That, in my book, discredits ANY arguments you may put forward, even those that have merit,You can "politick" all you want and twist the questions around, but you alone have suggested killing innocent people.This is from the same person who suggested unprovoked violence against a woman, who was allegedly verbally abusing her child but without you having any knowledge of the circumstances - yes I remember that thread very well!OK so you may only make these points on a forum just for something to do and to stimulate debate, but god help your family and friends if you are like this in reality.So I repeat my previous sentiment, go away and good riddance!End of argument.
Why do people still bother to respond to Mick? cos he's never going to f*** off while it still happens.