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Quote from: albie on November 29, 2019, 11:55:32 pmThere is a Full Fact briefing on the 40 hospitals fairytale from Spaffman;https://fullfact.org/health/six-hospitals-not-forty/For those interested in the NHS topic.How much are the Yanks prepared to pay for the NHS ? 😗😗😗
There is a Full Fact briefing on the 40 hospitals fairytale from Spaffman;https://fullfact.org/health/six-hospitals-not-forty/For those interested in the NHS topic.
So we allow American drug suppliers to compete in our Market,they won't be selling much at those prices,unless the Govt lets them buy up all of the manufacturing facilities in the UK and shut them down, a bit like ICI. Can't see that happening really. So don't worry the Sky isn't falling in!
Quote from: Sprotyrover on November 30, 2019, 12:50:05 pmSo we allow American drug suppliers to compete in our Market,they won't be selling much at those prices,unless the Govt lets them buy up all of the manufacturing facilities in the UK and shut them down, a bit like ICI. Can't see that happening really. So don't worry the Sky isn't falling in!Sproty,The trade deal with the US is likely to specify that the NHS bulk purchase agreement is set to the standard US prices. That means the NHS will be expected to buy from US suppliers (big pharma) at rates way above current levels, and that patent protection will be extended, limiting future use of generics (or biosimilars).The UK is in a very weak position to resist, given the need to conclude a deal covering other sectors post-Brexit. We will have lost the existing trading agreements set up via the EU.The US set out their position back in February. All the posturing from Spaffman is just a piece of theatre for the GE....nothing more!
Trump has already said that it isn't faire that Americans are paying more for the drugs and medications than foreign customers are paying.
Actually the US first set out their position in the TTIP negotiations. What the recent negotiations have confirmed is that is still their plan and unlike the EU (who broke off TTIP) May:'one of the main aims of TTIP is to open up Europe’s public health, education and water services to US companies. This could essentially mean the privatisation of the NHS.'https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.htmlOne of the things Johnson said in his interview with Nick Ferrari was that his Brexit deal would allow us to agree TTIP - and TTIP is the opening of NHS service to private American companies.
That's me Billy I always look on the bright side of life,my Glass is lways half full!
For the sake of this site I hope labour win
Quote from: Sprotyrover on November 30, 2019, 06:20:32 pmThat's me Billy I always look on the bright side of life,my Glass is lways half full!Maybe you shouldn't drink and post Sproty?
Wilts,Yes, the discredited TTIP proposals are certainly back on the agenda.The idea is that US corporations should have the right to seek damages, if a sovereign government introduced measures which would obstruct them taking profit from activities they would otherwise have undertaken.Even worse, these decisions would be taken in secret, by a special tribunal.It has a wide ranging impact beyond just the NHS;https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/leaked-us-trade-talks-show-how-trump-is-dictating-johnsons-approach-to-a-hard-brexit/Still, best not worry as we are "taking back control", after all!
ClaimThe prime minister said he planned a rise in funding for the NHS, worth £34bn, which would be the “largest in modern memory”.RealityJohnson is correct that the funding boost is the biggest cash increase, worth an additional £34bn a year. Accounting for inflation, it is worth £20.5bn by 2023-24.However, in percentage terms, it is worth about 3.4% more a year on average.This is far from being the biggest increase on record. It is below the 3.5% average annual growth recorded prior to 1979, and far below the 6% average increase in the Blair/Brown years of Labour government. It is also below the 4.3% increase pledged by Labour in its 2019 manifesto.What do you want from your NHS?