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Quote from: SydneyRover on March 21, 2019, 07:54:39 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on March 21, 2019, 07:27:43 amhttps://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584For anyone interested xDone and shared, thanks for the link Donny, it's amazing to watch how fast the number is rising.Already 620.000 signed up for this in 12 hours but my Reply #2120 above would still apply I am guessing
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on March 21, 2019, 07:27:43 amhttps://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584For anyone interested xDone and shared, thanks for the link Donny, it's amazing to watch how fast the number is rising.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584For anyone interested x
Quote from: Donnywolf on March 21, 2019, 09:09:05 amQuote from: SydneyRover on March 21, 2019, 07:54:39 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on March 21, 2019, 07:27:43 amhttps://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584For anyone interested xDone and shared, thanks for the link Donny, it's amazing to watch how fast the number is rising.Already 620.000 signed up for this in 12 hours but my Reply #2120 above would still apply I am guessingAn empty vessel makes the most noise.
Quote from: Donnywolf on March 21, 2019, 09:09:05 amQuote from: SydneyRover on March 21, 2019, 07:54:39 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on March 21, 2019, 07:27:43 amhttps://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584For anyone interested xDone and shared, thanks for the link Donny, it's amazing to watch how fast the number is rising.Already 620.000 signed up for this in 12 hours but my Reply #2120 above would still apply I am guessingLooks like the site has overloaded and crashed, maybe a temporary glitch.
Quote from: Boomstick on March 20, 2019, 03:55:59 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 20, 2019, 02:44:10 pmYou know what? It's a sad statement on where discussion has got to when a smart bloke like Wing Co thinks that any of us are taking pleasure in seeing our country humiliate itself like this, and run the risk of stumbling into economic catastrophe. Isn't it possible for intelligent, honest people to disagree without being seen as simply wanting to win an argument?Intelligent and honest people can disagree, but intelligent honest people give alternatives too. You lot don't, just moan and criticise and don't come up with realistic alternatives. This is a gem. I think I'm going to print it out and frame it. I assume you've not bothered reading g the 70 pages on this thread or the 100 and odd on the other one where the pros and cons of everything from No Deal to Ref2 have been discussed to exhaustion? You see that as just moaning and criticising?Here's the summary:No Deal. Total freedom for us to do whatever we want trade wise and politically. But the consequence being that we have a long, slow hit to our economy over the long term, and an unknown immediate hard and sharp hit. No one suggests we can come out net positive for a generation or more. Crisis in NI. Absolutely not what anyone on the Leave side was proposing in 2016. Supported now only by people on the Far Right.May's deal: Sorts out the Irish problem short term by tying us into the CU. Possibility of us leaving if a technical solution to NI is found in the future, but no-one knows what that is. Supported by centrist Tories. Opposed by everyone else. Still results in a long slow economic hit. Norway+ deal: Keeps us in the SM and CU. We leave the political aspects of the EU Minimises the economic hit. Proposed loudly and frequently by Farage in 2016. Now apparently it's a betrayal of Brexit. Possibly supported by Labour and a group of other MPs Ref 2: Puts the question back to the people with a proper understanding of the issues,and multiple options. Difficult to implement given the number of politicians who have upped the ante by calling it a betrayal of democracy. There you go. Take your pick. Discuss any of the above like an adult.Or just complain that everyone who disagrees with you is a moaning traitor. Your choice.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 20, 2019, 02:44:10 pmYou know what? It's a sad statement on where discussion has got to when a smart bloke like Wing Co thinks that any of us are taking pleasure in seeing our country humiliate itself like this, and run the risk of stumbling into economic catastrophe. Isn't it possible for intelligent, honest people to disagree without being seen as simply wanting to win an argument?Intelligent and honest people can disagree, but intelligent honest people give alternatives too. You lot don't, just moan and criticise and don't come up with realistic alternatives.
You know what? It's a sad statement on where discussion has got to when a smart bloke like Wing Co thinks that any of us are taking pleasure in seeing our country humiliate itself like this, and run the risk of stumbling into economic catastrophe. Isn't it possible for intelligent, honest people to disagree without being seen as simply wanting to win an argument?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on March 21, 2019, 09:16:04 amQuote from: Donnywolf on March 21, 2019, 09:09:05 amQuote from: SydneyRover on March 21, 2019, 07:54:39 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on March 21, 2019, 07:27:43 amhttps://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584For anyone interested xDone and shared, thanks for the link Donny, it's amazing to watch how fast the number is rising.Already 620.000 signed up for this in 12 hours but my Reply #2120 above would still apply I am guessingAn empty vessel makes the most noise. As you amply demonstrate.
TRBThe hit would come from the fact that we'd have zero say over future changes to SM and CU rules. We'd just have to adopt them and adapt to them. I agree by the way. The problem is that Corbyn has refused to lead on that be side he's ideogically against the SM.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 21, 2019, 09:54:42 amTRBThe hit would come from the fact that we'd have zero say over future changes to SM and CU rules. We'd just have to adopt them and adapt to them. I agree by the way. The problem is that Corbyn has refused to lead on that be side he's ideogically against the SM.It doesn't quite sound like taking back control BST.
696,204 signatures on the Petition now to Revoke Article 50Site keeps crashing as around 4000 people a minute are adding their names. It takes 100,000 signatures to "request" Parliament to consider whether to debate it - and will be largely useless if they dont find time to decide whether to daebate it and / or dont find the time to do so
No BS. I was just having a break from dealing with your nonsense. It is very, very easy. You have a policy to find out what the opinion of MPs is. You hold a series of indicative votes in the House on different possible outcomes and you develop your EU negotiation policy from there, knowing what support you have at home. What May has done instead is to determine her policy without talking to anyone outside her immediate advisory group, then spent two years negotiating a position that is THE least supported one in the House and the country. And then, when that is roundly rejected, she insists that everyone else change their minds. It about your philosophical approach. Do you seek a consensus position that brings people together, or do you ignore people, then hector and insult them when they don't agree with you. For the record, if she'd taken the approach I suggest, I think she'd have found a majority prepared to support some form of Norway+ deal. That would have torn the Tory party apart, but, frankly, tough shit. What she has done is to put holding the Tory party together at the top of the agenda, and I suspect the final outcome will seem that aim dashed anyway.
Quote from: Donnywolf on March 21, 2019, 10:30:02 am 696,204 signatures on the Petition now to Revoke Article 50Site keeps crashing as around 4000 people a minute are adding their names. It takes 100,000 signatures to "request" Parliament to consider whether to debate it - and will be largely useless if they dont find time to decide whether to daebate it and / or dont find the time to do soLet's see if it gets anywhere near 17.5 million. If course we all know it won't. Pointless exercise.
Quote from: Boomstick on March 21, 2019, 10:49:32 amQuote from: Donnywolf on March 21, 2019, 10:30:02 am 696,204 signatures on the Petition now to Revoke Article 50Site keeps crashing as around 4000 people a minute are adding their names. It takes 100,000 signatures to "request" Parliament to consider whether to debate it - and will be largely useless if they dont find time to decide whether to daebate it and / or dont find the time to do soLet's see if it gets anywhere near 17.5 million. If course we all know it won't. Pointless exercise.The remainers with this petition remind me of Hitler sat in his bunker with the Red Army knocking at the door insisting he will still win the war!
Meanwhile the petition has gone viral with all major news sites talking about it and various celebs promoting it, the site has crashed a few times and then they have to close it for maintenance before rebooting, it's near 750k
TRBYou may recall that the official Leave campaign, headed by senior Tories who have been in the Cabinet during this shit show, said explicitly in their Referendum literature that this would all be sorted before we triggered A50.https://mobile.twitter.com/peston/status/1102954208150634496?lang=enSo they said that they'd negotiate a new deal before triggering A50. Instead, the f**king ruling party still hasn't negotiated WITH ITSELF what sort of deal they want, 103 weeks AFTER triggering A50.
Quote from: SydneyRover on March 21, 2019, 11:16:51 amMeanwhile the petition has gone viral with all major news sites talking about it and various celebs promoting it, the site has crashed a few times and then they have to close it for maintenance before rebooting, it's near 750kIs that it? 😂