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Title: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 09:56:23 am
I assume that we will all be allowed to watch football live as soon as it resumes as the old bill are totally ignoring thousands of people roaming mob handed all over London? In two weeks time when they all have covid they will all be blaming Boris. Also where are all the people now with their moral outrage over Dom Cummings, why aren't they in uproar now?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on June 04, 2020, 11:25:16 am
If the general public were as hypocritical and duplicitous as Cummings there might be some uproar.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 12:00:22 pm
If Theresa May hadn't got rid of the water cannons they could have been decontaminated easily after their breaking of social distancing rules. One man and his family in a car and there is uproar, thousands in the streets and nothing. it just proves the moral outrage over Cummings was just bitter lefties trying to score political points.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Mike_F on June 04, 2020, 12:14:54 pm
Were the lockdown measures the same at the time of Cummings (who had a hand in creating them) breaking them as they are now?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 12:27:15 pm
How anyone can compare the two situations is a joke. One family in a car against thousands of anarchists looking for trouble.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: IDM on June 04, 2020, 12:42:30 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 01:18:45 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?

Do you mean alleged murder? How do we know he didn't have any other condition which brought on the death of the wanted man?
Why are they protesting here when it happened in America? It's just a load of band wagon jumping trouble causers out for a tear up and a new pair of trainers. All this knee bending makes me sick.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on June 04, 2020, 01:23:40 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?

Do you mean alleged murder? How do we know he didn't have any other condition which brought on the death of the wanted man?
Why are they protesting here when it happened in America? It's just a load of band wagon jumping trouble causers out for a tear up and a new pair of trainers. All this knee bending makes me sick.

Would you apply the same blasé attitude if a white, South London, English Millwall fan had committed a minor offence and then lost his life during his arrest by the police? 
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: bpoolrover on June 04, 2020, 01:24:32 pm
Were the lockdown measures the same at the time of Cummings (who had a hand in creating them) breaking them as they are now?
what about corbyn mike did he have a hand in it to by not social distancing and putting lives at risk, Cummings might have been wrong and a liar but at least he kept his distance
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: IDM on June 04, 2020, 01:26:48 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?

Do you mean alleged murder? How do we know he didn't have any other condition which brought on the death of the wanted man?
Why are they protesting here when it happened in America? It's just a load of band wagon jumping trouble causers out for a tear up and a new pair of trainers. All this knee bending makes me sick.

Go find me an approved restraint technique which promotes kneeling on someone’s neck.

He was filmed doing this.

Whether the victim did or did not have an underlying medical condition is irrelevant. 

The officer has been charged with murder.

People are angry about this as this sort of action should have been stamped out after the 1960s.

It doesn’t excuse rioting and looting, but that is an unwanted side effect of such protests.

The protests themselves are valid.

Do you think such a killing shouldn’t be highlighted.?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: bpoolrover on June 04, 2020, 01:27:04 pm
To be fair to him I don’t think race has anything to do with it, on many videos you see the please shaking hands with different people with no gloves or anything on, them officers could then be in a hospital environment passing it on to nurses ect. And of course there were many white people at the rallies
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: bpoolrover on June 04, 2020, 01:29:11 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?

Do you mean alleged murder? How do we know he didn't have any other condition which brought on the death of the wanted man?
Why are they protesting here when it happened in America? It's just a load of band wagon jumping trouble causers out for a tear up and a new pair of trainers. All this knee bending makes me sick.

Go find me an approved restraint technique which promotes kneeling on someone’s neck.

He was filmed doing this.

Whether the victim did or did not have an underlying medical condition is irrelevant. 

The officer has been charged with murder.

People are angry about this as this sort of action should have been stamped out after the 1960s.

It doesn’t excuse rioting and looting, but that is an unwanted side effect of such protests.

The protests themselves are valid.

Do you think such a killing shouldn’t be highlighted.?
any killing should be highlighted but protests unless can social distance should not be happening
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: IDM on June 04, 2020, 01:29:25 pm
Were the lockdown measures the same at the time of Cummings (who had a hand in creating them) breaking them as they are now?
what about corbyn mike did he have a hand in it to by not social distancing and putting lives at risk, Cummings might have been wrong and a liar but at least he kept his distance

And he broke self isolation rules by driving to the hospital within his 14 day period.

And as you concede, he is a liar, so what else is he lying about.? This is the man advising the PM on government policy don’t forget.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: bpoolrover on June 04, 2020, 01:39:23 pm
Not being funny because someone does something wrong it does not excuse anyone else’s behaviour, I get that people might get angry about Cummings  what I don’t get if your angry about Cummings how your not furious about the lack of social distancing and the amount of lives at risk because of these protests, that’s what makes me think it’s just political scoring rather than anger
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: IDM on June 04, 2020, 01:48:29 pm
Do you think opposition to that racial killing by a policeman albeit in the USA, is political point scoring and therefore unnecessary.?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: bpoolrover on June 04, 2020, 01:52:15 pm
No not at all it’s disgusting what happened, but that’s not the point is it? Either protest and social distance or wait to have a protest, why should other people be put in danger from the protesters? There are 180 ish pages on how shot the goverment have done and how things are opening to early and risking another spike! Well this is risking another spike do you not think?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 01:52:30 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?

Do you mean alleged murder? How do we know he didn't have any other condition which brought on the death of the wanted man?
Why are they protesting here when it happened in America? It's just a load of band wagon jumping trouble causers out for a tear up and a new pair of trainers. All this knee bending makes me sick.

Would you apply the same blasé attitude if a white, South London, English Millwall fan had committed a minor offence and then lost his life during his arrest by the police?

What like this one for starters?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson

It has happened before in the past as well, but because he wasn't from a group within the left wing agenda no one gave a monkeys.


Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2020, 01:56:39 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?

Do you mean alleged murder? How do we know he didn't have any other condition which brought on the death of the wanted man?
Why are they protesting here when it happened in America? It's just a load of band wagon jumping trouble causers out for a tear up and a new pair of trainers. All this knee bending makes me sick.

Go on. Get it all out. All that constipated bile.

The protests are because this is one of THE great historical injustices still being played out in front of our eyes after all these centuries. The murder (and it WAS a murder) is a symbol of that. A white man in a position of authority treating a black man as a sub-human over whom he could demonstrate his power.

Floyd was handcuffed and face down on the floor. Full-weight kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes resulting in his death is murder. Full stop.

And that is symbolic of the sort of oppression that black Americans and (to a lesser extent, black British) put up with every day of their lives. And sometimes, an event like this causes the bottled up resentment to explode.

Just like your bottled up bile has just exploded all over this thread.

When it comes down to it, you either care about what white Europeans and Americans have done to people of African origin over the past 500 years or you don't. Those who do have a responsibility to show which side they are one. It's clear that you don't.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 01:56:48 pm
Not being funny because someone does something wrong it does not excuse anyone else’s behaviour, I get that people might get angry about Cummings  what I don’t get if your angry about Cummings how your not furious about the lack of social distancing and the amount of lives at risk because of these protests, that’s what makes me think it’s just political scoring rather than anger

If it's not political why aren't people taking to the streets to protest about Chinese brutality in Hong Kong? It's because it's the trendy, 'right on' thing to bash Trump.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2020, 01:58:55 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?

Do you mean alleged murder? How do we know he didn't have any other condition which brought on the death of the wanted man?
Why are they protesting here when it happened in America? It's just a load of band wagon jumping trouble causers out for a tear up and a new pair of trainers. All this knee bending makes me sick.

Would you apply the same blasé attitude if a white, South London, English Millwall fan had committed a minor offence and then lost his life during his arrest by the police?

What like this one for starters?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson

It has happened before in the past as well, but because he wasn't from a group within the left wing agenda no one gave a monkeys.




You mean no-one from the left gave a monkeys, like, for example...let me think...The Guardian who campaigned tirelessly on the topic and unearthed the independent video showing the assault?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jul/22/ian-tomlinson-story-justice-denied

You're bigotry is quite something to behold.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: bpoolrover on June 04, 2020, 02:01:21 pm
Bst your right on how terrible he and many other blacks have been treated/are being treated but that does not mean they can put innocent peoples lives at risk
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2020, 02:01:34 pm
Not being funny because someone does something wrong it does not excuse anyone else’s behaviour, I get that people might get angry about Cummings  what I don’t get if your angry about Cummings how your not furious about the lack of social distancing and the amount of lives at risk because of these protests, that’s what makes me think it’s just political scoring rather than anger

If it's not political why aren't people taking to the streets to protest about Chinese brutality in Hong Kong? It's because it's the trendy, 'right on' thing to bash Trump.

There are all sorts of historical reasons.

One bleeding obvious reason is the fact that we are utterly complicit, historically, in the situation of black people throughout the Americas.

A second bleeding obvious reason is that America is (still, just about) a democracy, and demonstrations of support like this can help tip public opinion.

there is precious little that we can do about China at the moment, other than press our Govt to take economic action against them. And that is not going to be done by demonstrating.

Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2020, 02:02:52 pm
Bst your right on how terrible he and many other blacks have been treated/are being treated but that does not mean they can put innocent peoples lives at risk

It is an explosion of suppressed anger. You and I have never known what it is like to live your life under that shadow. And the vast, vast majority of demonstrators are behaving peacefully and with dignity.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: IDM on June 04, 2020, 02:05:08 pm
No not at all it’s disgusting what happened, but that’s not the point is it? Either protest and social distance or wait to have a protest, why should other people be put in danger from the protesters? There are 180 ish pages on how shot the goverment have done and how things are opening to early and risking another spike! Well this is risking another spike do you not think?

Yes of course it is a risk, as are all the other instances of crowds on beaches etc as people over react - perhaps not as individuals but as groups - to the reaction of lockdown measures.

You need them to ask why folks are dong it. 

Ideally the protests should of course follow social distancing rules, and the criminal elements intent on looting etc shouldn’t join in.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 02:05:20 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?

Do you mean alleged murder? How do we know he didn't have any other condition which brought on the death of the wanted man?
Why are they protesting here when it happened in America? It's just a load of band wagon jumping trouble causers out for a tear up and a new pair of trainers. All this knee bending makes me sick.





Go on. Get it all out. All that constipated bile.

The protests are because this is one of THE great historical injustices still being played out in front of our eyes after all these centuries. The murder (and it WAS a murder) is a symbol of that. A white man in a position of authority treating a black man as a sub-human over whom he could demonstrate his power.

Floyd was handcuffed and face down on the floor. Full-weight kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes resulting in his death is murder. Full stop.

And that is symbolic of the sort of oppression that black Americans and (to a lesser extent, black British) put up with every day of their lives. And sometimes, an event like this causes the bottled up resentment to explode.

Just like your bottled up bile has just exploded all over this thread.

When it comes down to it, you either care about what white Europeans and Americans have done to people of African origin over the past 500 years or you don't. Those who do have a responsibility to show which side they are one. It's clear that you don't.

I don't have a guilt complex because i'm white and British. All sorts of stuff happened through history by all different nations, but it's gone and people need to get over it. It's like Sniverpool fans bleating on about Hillsborough while at the same time brushing Heysel under the carpet.
Who do you think supplied the slave trade?
https://www.thoughtco.com/african-slave-traders-44538
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on June 04, 2020, 02:05:59 pm
How anyone can compare the two situations is a joke. One family in a car against thousands of anarchists looking for trouble.

Jesus Christ, you're comparing the two in your own OP!!
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: bpoolrover on June 04, 2020, 02:06:26 pm
Most are behaving fine I quite agree but none are social distancing, if you have family that died indirectly because of them protests I would think your view would change
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on June 04, 2020, 02:06:36 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?

Do you mean alleged murder? How do we know he didn't have any other condition which brought on the death of the wanted man?
Why are they protesting here when it happened in America? It's just a load of band wagon jumping trouble causers out for a tear up and a new pair of trainers. All this knee bending makes me sick.

Would you apply the same blasé attitude if a white, South London, English Millwall fan had committed a minor offence and then lost his life during his arrest by the police?

What like this one for starters?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson

It has happened before in the past as well, but because he wasn't from a group within the left wing agenda no one gave a monkeys.

Nobody gave a monkeys? Do you not remember it being all over the TV and the press at the time? You’ve got selective memory fella
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Herbert Anchovy on June 04, 2020, 02:13:26 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?

Do you mean alleged murder? How do we know he didn't have any other condition which brought on the death of the wanted man?
Why are they protesting here when it happened in America? It's just a load of band wagon jumping trouble causers out for a tear up and a new pair of trainers. All this knee bending makes me sick.





Go on. Get it all out. All that constipated bile.

The protests are because this is one of THE great historical injustices still being played out in front of our eyes after all these centuries. The murder (and it WAS a murder) is a symbol of that. A white man in a position of authority treating a black man as a sub-human over whom he could demonstrate his power.

Floyd was handcuffed and face down on the floor. Full-weight kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes resulting in his death is murder. Full stop.

And that is symbolic of the sort of oppression that black Americans and (to a lesser extent, black British) put up with every day of their lives. And sometimes, an event like this causes the bottled up resentment to explode.

Just like your bottled up bile has just exploded all over this thread.

When it comes down to it, you either care about what white Europeans and Americans have done to people of African origin over the past 500 years or you don't. Those who do have a responsibility to show which side they are one. It's clear that you don't.

I don't have a guilt complex because i'm white and British. All sorts of stuff happened through history by all different nations, but it's gone and people need to get over it. It's like Sniverpool fans bleating on about Hillsborough while at the same time brushing Heysel under the carpet.
Who do you think supplied the slave trade?
https://www.thoughtco.com/african-slave-traders-44538

When it’s Gay Pride do you also grumble that we should have a straight pride? When it’s International Women’s day do you also complain that we should have International Men’s Day?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 02:24:20 pm
How anyone can compare the two situations is a joke. One family in a car against thousands of anarchists looking for trouble.

Jesus Christ, you're comparing the two in your own OP!!
No i'm not. I'm saying all the people on phone ins moaning about DC, but where are they complaining about this shower?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Glyn_Wigley on June 04, 2020, 02:25:25 pm
How anyone can compare the two situations is a joke. One family in a car against thousands of anarchists looking for trouble.

Jesus Christ, you're comparing the two in your own OP!!
No i'm not. I'm saying all the people on phone ins moaning about DC, but where are they complaining about this shower?

You are saying the reaction ought to be the same, meaning you are directly comparing the two. QED.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 02:31:34 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?

Do you mean alleged murder? How do we know he didn't have any other condition which brought on the death of the wanted man?
Why are they protesting here when it happened in America? It's just a load of band wagon jumping trouble causers out for a tear up and a new pair of trainers. All this knee bending makes me sick.

Would you apply the same blasé attitude if a white, South London, English Millwall fan had committed a minor offence and then lost his life during his arrest by the police?

What like this one for starters?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlinson

It has happened before in the past as well, but because he wasn't from a group within the left wing agenda no one gave a monkeys.

Nobody gave a monkeys? Do you not remember it being all over the TV and the press at the time? You’ve got selective memory fella

Have I, another one of ours got done by the plod years ago and they got away with it. Don't remember anyone rioting in the streets though risking all and sundry with infection from a disease with no cure.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 02:33:25 pm
Do you mean a handful of trouble makers hiding within a genuine protest on police racist murder.?

Do you mean alleged murder? How do we know he didn't have any other condition which brought on the death of the wanted man?
Why are they protesting here when it happened in America? It's just a load of band wagon jumping trouble causers out for a tear up and a new pair of trainers. All this knee bending makes me sick.





Go on. Get it all out. All that constipated bile.

The protests are because this is one of THE great historical injustices still being played out in front of our eyes after all these centuries. The murder (and it WAS a murder) is a symbol of that. A white man in a position of authority treating a black man as a sub-human over whom he could demonstrate his power.

Floyd was handcuffed and face down on the floor. Full-weight kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes resulting in his death is murder. Full stop.

And that is symbolic of the sort of oppression that black Americans and (to a lesser extent, black British) put up with every day of their lives. And sometimes, an event like this causes the bottled up resentment to explode.

Just like your bottled up bile has just exploded all over this thread.

When it comes down to it, you either care about what white Europeans and Americans have done to people of African origin over the past 500 years or you don't. Those who do have a responsibility to show which side they are one. It's clear that you don't.

I don't have a guilt complex because i'm white and British. All sorts of stuff happened through history by all different nations, but it's gone and people need to get over it. It's like Sniverpool fans bleating on about Hillsborough while at the same time brushing Heysel under the carpet.
Who do you think supplied the slave trade?
https://www.thoughtco.com/african-slave-traders-44538

When it’s Gay Pride do you also grumble that we should have a straight pride? When it’s International Women’s day do you also complain that we should have International Men’s Day?

Yep. Why is it legal to have black this that and the other but is classed a racist to have white only organisations?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: IDM on June 04, 2020, 02:36:20 pm
What organisations are black only.?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 02:52:26 pm
What organisations are black only.?

Black Police Association.

MOBO awards and the like, if that's not racist I don't know what is?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on June 04, 2020, 03:03:13 pm
What organisations are black only.?

Black Police Association.

MOBO awards and the like, if that's not racist I don't know what is?

You just don't get it do you?

Racism isn't just about race. It is about relative power balances.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: MachoMadness on June 04, 2020, 03:04:44 pm
Nice to see Axholme dusting off the pointy white hood again.

MOBO awards and other celebrations of black culture are not racist. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: selby on June 04, 2020, 03:09:46 pm
  That was as big a test as you can have in Hyde Park last evening with most of the demonstrators being from the BAME community mostly at risk according to statistics.
  If there is no rise in cases over the next couple of weeks in Brent it could be the all clear.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 03:10:57 pm
Nice to see Axholme dusting off the pointy white hood again.

MOBO awards and other celebrations of black culture are not racist. Hope that helps.

Is a MOWO awards racist?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 03:12:58 pm
  That was as big a test as you can have in Hyde Park last evening with most of the demonstrators being from the BAME community mostly at risk according to statistics.
  If there is no rise in cases over the next couple of weeks in Brent it could be the all clear.

If there is a rise many on here will be blaming Boris rather than the idiots stood six inches away from each other. All political point scoring.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: redwine on June 04, 2020, 03:27:29 pm
I always blame Boris.

It's a fairly safe assumption
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: RedRover45 on June 04, 2020, 03:28:37 pm
  That was as big a test as you can have in Hyde Park last evening with most of the demonstrators being from the BAME community mostly at risk according to statistics.
  If there is no rise in cases over the next couple of weeks in Brent it could be the all clear.

If there is a rise many on here will be blaming Boris rather than the idiots stood six inches away from each other. All political point scoring.

But it isn’t mutually exclusive. People are responsible for their own actions. If they choose to go out during the crisis, they only have themselves to blame if anything happens to either them or anyone that they come into contact with.
Johnson, Cummings and the gang have a responsibility not just for themselves but for everyone else in the country by making correct decisions. They haven’t made them. They’ve made wrong decisions too late all the way down the line. They are complicit in causing the mass stupidity.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 04, 2020, 03:39:55 pm
  That was as big a test as you can have in Hyde Park last evening with most of the demonstrators being from the BAME community mostly at risk according to statistics.
  If there is no rise in cases over the next couple of weeks in Brent it could be the all clear.

If there is a rise many on here will be blaming Boris rather than the idiots stood six inches away from each other. All political point scoring.

But it isn’t mutually exclusive. People are responsible for their own actions. If they choose to go out during the crisis, they only have themselves to blame if anything happens to either them or anyone that they come into contact with.
Johnson, Cummings and the gang have a responsibility not just for themselves but for everyone else in the country by making correct decisions. They haven’t made them. They’ve made wrong decisions too late all the way down the line. They are complicit in causing the mass stupidity.

Most of the population were already stupid. I called in the big Morrisons on the way home last night and you would have thought the last two months had never happened, I didn't see anyone with gloves, masks and very little social distancing. The idiots were well and truly on the loose.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: bpoolrover on June 04, 2020, 04:00:50 pm
  That was as big a test as you can have in Hyde Park last evening with most of the demonstrators being from the BAME community mostly at risk according to statistics.
  If there is no rise in cases over the next couple of weeks in Brent it could be the all clear.

If there is a rise many on here will be blaming Boris rather than the idiots stood six inches away from each other. All political point scoring.

But it isn’t mutually exclusive. People are responsible for their own actions. If they choose to go out during the crisis, they only have themselves to blame if anything happens to either them or anyone that they come into contact with.
Johnson, Cummings and the gang have a responsibility not just for themselves but for everyone else in the country by making correct decisions. They haven’t made them. They’ve made wrong decisions too late all the way down the line. They are complicit in causing the mass stupidity.
  That was as big a test as you can have in Hyde Park last evening with most of the demonstrators being from the BAME community mostly at risk according to statistics.
  If there is no rise in cases over the next couple of weeks in Brent it could be the all clear.

If there is a rise many on here will be blaming Boris rather than the idiots stood six inches away from each other. All political point scoring.

But it isn’t mutually exclusive. People are responsible for their own actions. If they choose to go out during the crisis, they only have themselves to blame if anything happens to either them or anyone that they come into contact with.
Johnson, Cummings and the gang have a responsibility not just for themselves but for everyone else in the country by making correct decisions. They haven’t made them. They’ve made wrong decisions too late all the way down the line. They are complicit in causing the mass stupidity.
everyone has a responsibility for other people surly? The vast majority in that protest have put peoples lives at risk! But rather than call it you would rather blame Johnson and Cummings, political scoring?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: wilts rover on June 04, 2020, 04:13:58 pm
Were the lockdown measures the same at the time of Cummings (who had a hand in creating them) breaking them as they are now?
what about corbyn mike did he have a hand in it to by not social distancing and putting lives at risk, Cummings might have been wrong and a liar but at least he kept his distance

Bloke who drove 250 miles in a car with a child and two adults with coronavirus didn't put lives at risk shock.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: bpoolrover on June 04, 2020, 04:18:19 pm
The police say he didn’t seem to have broken any social distancing rules, he might be wrong maybe he should be sacked, but if you think that you must think everyone in that protest over a thousand of them should be sacked from there jobs?
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: wilts rover on June 04, 2020, 04:24:31 pm
I assume that we will all be allowed to watch football live as soon as it resumes as the old bill are totally ignoring thousands of people roaming mob handed all over London? In two weeks time when they all have covid they will all be blaming Boris. Also where are all the people now with their moral outrage over Dom Cummings, why aren't they in uproar now?

Do you have any evidence of these mobs roaming all over London? You being in the Isle of Axholme like?

All I have seen are tens of thousands of peaceful demonstrators and a small scuffle in Whitehall - of which I have seen worse outside my house on a Saturday night.

And the outrage over Cummings - that now appears to be coming from the police over what he has done making their job now impossible. Would there have been any demos if he had stayed at home - like everybody else?

https://theconversation.com/we-asked-people-if-they-were-breaking-lockdown-rules-before-and-after-the-dominic-cummings-scandal-heres-what-they-told-us-139994

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52912216

And why weren't you moaning about all the people going to the beaches the past couple of weekends. Oh wait, let me check the photos to see what colour the people there were...
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: wilts rover on June 04, 2020, 04:25:45 pm
The police say he didn’t seem to have broken any social distancing rules, he might be wrong maybe he should be sacked, but if you think that you must think everyone in that protest over a thousand of them should be sacked from there jobs?

If their jobs involved setting any rules that they themselves have broken - yes defiantely
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: RedRover45 on June 04, 2020, 04:46:01 pm
  That was as big a test as you can have in Hyde Park last evening with most of the demonstrators being from the BAME community mostly at risk according to statistics.
  If there is no rise in cases over the next couple of weeks in Brent it could be the all clear.

If there is a rise many on here will be blaming Boris rather than the idiots stood six inches away from each other. All political point scoring.

But it isn’t mutually exclusive. People are responsible for their own actions. If they choose to go out during the crisis, they only have themselves to blame if anything happens to either them or anyone that they come into contact with.
Johnson, Cummings and the gang have a responsibility not just for themselves but for everyone else in the country by making correct decisions. They haven’t made them. They’ve made wrong decisions too late all the way down the line. They are complicit in causing the mass stupidity.
  That was as big a test as you can have in Hyde Park last evening with most of the demonstrators being from the BAME community mostly at risk according to statistics.
  If there is no rise in cases over the next couple of weeks in Brent it could be the all clear.

If there is a rise many on here will be blaming Boris rather than the idiots stood six inches away from each other. All political point scoring.

But it isn’t mutually exclusive. People are responsible for their own actions. If they choose to go out during the crisis, they only have themselves to blame if anything happens to either them or anyone that they come into contact with.
Johnson, Cummings and the gang have a responsibility not just for themselves but for everyone else in the country by making correct decisions. They haven’t made them. They’ve made wrong decisions too late all the way down the line. They are complicit in causing the mass stupidity.
everyone has a responsibility for other people surly? The vast majority in that protest have put peoples lives at risk! But rather than call it you would rather blame Johnson and Cummings, political scoring?

Have you not even read what I put ?

I am blaming EVERYBODY who has gone out unnecessarily as well as this clueless government. Why would you go out if there is a danger, it beats me. If coronavirus composed of a green coloured fog that showed you where it was, would people be stupid enough to dodge and weave around it. What worries me is these braindead people walk amongst us.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: bpoolrover on June 04, 2020, 04:50:39 pm
Sorry then I misunderstood
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: MachoMadness on June 04, 2020, 04:55:27 pm
Nice to see Axholme dusting off the pointy white hood again.

MOBO awards and other celebrations of black culture are not racist. Hope that helps.

Is a MOWO awards racist?
White people don't need their own awards. They already dominate most industries.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: i_ateallthepies on June 04, 2020, 07:18:53 pm
Not being funny because someone does something wrong it does not excuse anyone else’s behaviour, I get that people might get angry about Cummings  what I don’t get if your angry about Cummings how your not furious about the lack of social distancing and the amount of lives at risk because of these protests, that’s what makes me think it’s just political scoring rather than anger
And yet you've been excusing Cummings' behaviour to the hilt.
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: bpoolrover on June 04, 2020, 09:03:04 pm
Not being funny because someone does something wrong it does not excuse anyone else’s behaviour, I get that people might get angry about Cummings  what I don’t get if your angry about Cummings how your not furious about the lack of social distancing and the amount of lives at risk because of these protests, that’s what makes me think it’s just political scoring rather than anger
And yet you've been excusing Cummings' behaviour to the hilt.
[/y what has Cummings got to do with the protest thou? Thousand plus people all
Stood together potentially passing the virus around and your more bothered over one person it beggars belief! Political point scoring that’s all it is
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: bpoolrover on June 04, 2020, 09:12:44 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-52917950 Is that not more of a worry to you than 1 person in a car(maybe wrong for doing it and lying)
Title: Re: Crowds back at football
Post by: Axholme Lion on June 05, 2020, 08:09:58 am
I assume that we will all be allowed to watch football live as soon as it resumes as the old bill are totally ignoring thousands of people roaming mob handed all over London? In two weeks time when they all have covid they will all be blaming Boris. Also where are all the people now with their moral outrage over Dom Cummings, why aren't they in uproar now?

Do you have any evidence of these mobs roaming all over London? You being in the Isle of Axholme like?

All I have seen are tens of thousands of peaceful demonstrators and a small scuffle in Whitehall - of which I have seen worse outside my house on a Saturday night.

And why weren't you moaning about all the people going to the beaches the past couple of weekends. Oh wait, let me check the photos to see what colour the people there were...

I have a TV to watch the news.

Yes, people packing the beaches are also morons, but as far as I know they weren't having a tear up with the plod, but that still does not excuse their stupidity regardless if they were white, black or green.