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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Underwood on August 01, 2015, 04:03:34 pm
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Flags being confiscated and fans being ejected.
Great start
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Oh dear
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For what reason?
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Not good. I thought the South Stand was meant to have flags and a singing section to give the KM some atmosphere. What planet are these stewards on?
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I don't believe that ..are you in South stand yourself Frosty? If so could you explain the strategy ,supported by the club, to the stewards please on our behalf.
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It said "Big f**king German" in German.
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I would have cleared that through both the club and Stuckmann .
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Saw them post that on twitter the other day. Very sad if thats whats started it off
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Stewards making offensive gestures to sections of the South Stand as well.
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I would have cleared that through both the club and Stuckmann .
Are you for real Brian? It's hardly offensive. I'd have gone mental if they had tried kicking me out for that. We need to make the Black Bank impossible to police.
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Stewards making offensive gestures to sections of the South Stand as well.
Hope someone has filmed them. Thought we are trying to work together to get a better atmosphere
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I'm more interested to know how many stewards are fluent in German.
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The CEO needs to get a grip of this situation before it spins out of control. Not a good omen ahead of next weeks L1 KO.
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it will kick off one day far too many fans stewards well outnumbered f**king arseholes allways have been
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From what I've heard a certain person brought the flag to the attention of the police and stewards
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Who?
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I'm more interested to know how many stewards are fluent in German.
none they've all on speaking English said it before there just glorified door men
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And how many times a season do away supporters come here and take the piss, with none visibly ejected.
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I can't believe you of all people slag someone off for an inability to speak English :lol:
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Why did the stewards decide to wade in mid-game? Why not just wait till the end and and talk about it. I'm sure a compromise could have been reached. It's a pre-season game ffs!
I've got to say I'm not a big supporter of having swear words on banners whether in English or another language but the way club employees are conducting themselves is pretty terrible.
The club want a better atmosphere, while wanting to control every single move you make!
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Flags being confiscated and fans being ejected.
Great start
Are you sure someone was ejected? The blackbank twitter account is not saying anything like that.
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I've got to say I'm not a big supporter of having swear words on banners whether in English or another language
There wasn't a swear word on it! Turns out Google translate isn't the best for translation, the flag read big DAMN German!
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According to google translate 'verdammtes' (on the banner) translates into 'f*cking'.
Do we have any German speaker on here who know better?
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Modern day football in afraid, can't step out of line or we all get shot, bugger them personally, let's get as many flags and many fans STANDING next week and I'm sure they'll feel overpowered, would be great for the south stand to be full and all stood up bouncing and chanting for 90 minutes and have the younger generation waving flags down at the front. It will take time but work definitely.
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http://www.dict.cc/german-english/verdammtes.html
According to this it can mean 'bleeding', 'hell', and 'f***', depending on the context/use.
If it did turn out to mean 'big bleeding German' then that is the type of compromise we need.
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Well, whichever one of those it was intended to mean, if that slogan is the limit of the creative thought of the person who dream't it up then it's time to pack it in, and, if the decision makers in the Black Bank think something like that is worth spending funds contributed by others on then they need to grow up.
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I believe that one was a home-made effort and didn't cost much. There is an update on the other forum about where they spent the money. The designed banners should be arriving soon.
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To give the KM a better atmosphere, why doesn't the give out flags for fans to wave for the firt game of the season? Turn a negative into a positive.
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That certainly added to the atmosphere for the Southend semi final.
It was fantastic to see all the flags.
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We could have approved singing as well. Maybe have song sheets put on seats before the game, with songs cleared by the club board. Folk could also have buzzers fitted on seats to tell them when to clap and cheer. Perhaps also case for those magazines showing club memorabilia left in back of seats, like you see on aircraft. Get headsets left on seats with authorised match commentary from someone like Tim Lovejoy or 'Spoony' from Radio 5.
Just a few thoughts.
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Stewards making offensive gestures to sections of the South Stand as well.
Hope someone has filmed them. Thought we are trying to work together to get a better atmosphere
How can anyone work together when a certain group of our fans are subject to abusive chanting by the Black Bank?
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As soon as I saw that flag I thought it might be trouble. Wouldn't be acceptable in English so why should it be acceptable in German? Bad move that presumably could have been handled better by the stewards. A quiet word straight away, presumably there are guidelines for offensive banners.
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Folk could also have buzzers fitted on seats to tell them when to clap and cheer.
That might go down well with our female fans but not for the stated reasons.
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I think it shows perhaps a bit more communication is needed. Clearing the wording of flags is something I thought would be done so I'm surprised this happened. Maybe the process isn't as joined up as it should be?
Didn't like some of the chants in there today though. Not really needed a few of them.
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Stewards making offensive gestures to sections of the South Stand as well.
Hope someone has filmed them. Thought we are trying to work together to get a better atmosphere
How can anyone work together when a certain group of our fans are subject to abusive chanting by the Black Bank?
I would agree with that actually. It was pointless last year and pointless this. The whole point is to be one fanbase isn't it?
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Stewards making offensive gestures to sections of the South Stand as well.
Hope someone has filmed them. Thought we are trying to work together to get a better atmosphere
How can anyone work together when a certain group of our fans are subject to abusive chanting by the Black Bank?
And how can the Black Bank succeed when certain members of a supporters group are reporting them
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Stewards making offensive gestures to sections of the South Stand as well.
Hope someone has filmed them. Thought we are trying to work together to get a better atmosphere
How can anyone work together when a certain group of our fans are subject to abusive chanting by the Black Bank?
And how can the Black Bank succeed when certain members of a supporters group are reporting them
You know more than me, I have no idea who, if anyone reported it, I don't speak or read German and did n't have a clue what the words meant, as I suspect the vast majority who saw it would have been in the same mind
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So does the success of the Black Bank rest of whether they can use swear words? Doesn't their vocabulary stretch very far?
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I wonder if any actions will be taken against the hairless steward making obscene gestures to parts of the South Stand. Hmmmm,I doubt it.
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A very sad episode which makes me angry about the way it appears to have dealt with. I understand Gavin has already got a grip of the situation however, as already said, it could have been handled much better.
I don't know the background yet, but lads on the Black Bank seem convinced that someone who posts on this site is trying to make things difficult.
Having spent time in meetings, where we've had positive dialogue and assurances about tolerant stewarding, I'll be very disappointed if they've waded in without thinking first.
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I mean, it's really sad if it's coming down to petty squabbles again.
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The whole VSC v DRSG thing is tedious. The Black Bank shouldn't be affiliated with either and should be just about improving the atmosphere.
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I mean, it's really sad if it's coming down to petty squabbles again.
It is, it's important it works. We always did well having a fan base together. Some just appear not to be able to get that, it's pathetic.
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The whole thing could be sorted out by the Black Bank being a members organisation. In other words you have to sign up with name and address to join. If anything untoward happens then the person/s concerned can be disciplined by the rest of the membership.
The problem is that something like this, set up by true fans, gets taken over by idiots who should be thrown out. Thankfully we have got rid of most of the thugs who go to games just to cause trouble, but there are still a few.
Surely the VSC doesn't want to be associated with mindless morons. The idea of a large contingent of shouting and singing speccies is good, but not if it turns into a home for the dregs.
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The whole thing could be sorted out by the Black Bank being a members organisation. In other words you have to sign up with name and address to join. If anything untoward happens then the person/s concerned can be disciplined by the rest of the membership.
The problem is that something like this, set up by true fans, gets taken over by idiots who should be thrown out. Thankfully we have got rid of most of the thugs who go to games just to cause trouble, but there are still a few.
Surely the VSC doesn't want to be associated with mindless morons. The idea of a large contingent of shouting and singing speccies is good, but not if it turns into a home for the dregs.
So who are idiots that have taken over? Or are you speculating?
I'm not sure what has happened today that is untoward. The flag was only offensive depending on how you interpret it. The word has several meanings as has already been pointed out.
Some people need to get a grip. Are we in a football stadium or a library? Today could have killed the last chance of creating a decent atmopshere in that place.
And the VSC has its own share of mindless morons. Including the one who decided to instigate the issue over the flag today. He knows who he is.
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The whole thing could be sorted out by the Black Bank being a members organisation. In other words you have to sign up with name and address to join. If anything untoward happens then the person/s concerned can be disciplined by the rest of the membership.
The problem is that something like this, set up by true fans, gets taken over by idiots who should be thrown out. Thankfully we have got rid of most of the thugs who go to games just to cause trouble, but there are still a few.
Surely the VSC doesn't want to be associated with mindless morons. The idea of a large contingent of shouting and singing speccies is good, but not if it turns into a home for the dregs.
Absolute nonsense.
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I've just spoken to Wes on the phone about this, and it appears its all a bit of a storm in a tea cup. Mistakes have been made on both sides but there always was going to be some teething problems. Further discussions will be held with the club early in the week and the Black Bank will issue a statement to clarify things asap.
I would suggest taking a chill pill.
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I am 3,500 miles away, but having read the posts it appears some people were upset by some of those in the Black Bank section. Better to clear things before the season starts, just like managers have to do with the playing staff. As I said the idea is good so long as it is not taken over by those who want to cause trouble.
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I am 3,500 miles away, but having read the posts it appears some people were upset by some of those in the Black Bank section. Better to clear things before the season starts, just like managers have to do with the playing staff. As I said the idea is good so long as it is not taken over by those who want to cause trouble.
Nobody was causing any trouble.
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Then why are there all these posts if there was no trouble. If all was sweetness and light there would have been no comments.
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Then why are there all these posts if there was no trouble. If all was sweetness and light there would have been no comments.
I suggest you read the thread again and see what this was all about.
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By the way, the stewards also need to be sorted out before next week because they appear to be most of the trouble.
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I think the chanting should also be changed to "We have a rather tall German fellow"
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Anyway as Martin has said it's something and nothing,let's all just get on supporting the club as 1
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How about "He's just a big German Stuka"
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Wait till you lot see the banner I'm making for the Leeds game. It might upset 3,000 to 4,000 people in the stadium.
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How about "He's just a big German Stuka"
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Bit risky that. Someone might take offence.
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It is a bit "plane" if you ask me.
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He's (thats a bit sexist) 😜
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That one might nosedive a bit Filo! ;-)
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Fans are fans, irrespective of where they choose to write on internet forums. Please let's not be making any moral judgements.
Take the flag incident aside, so far the Black Bank have done well and created a lot of noise. For the majority it's good humoured stuff.
Once again I thought the drummer was great.
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It didn't take too long did it, if the chants in the 2nd half are the best they can come up with then it's time to take their toys off them and send them to bed early tonight, infantile sums it up for me
Have to say I'm not in favour of the German chant but that's just me.
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It didn't take too long did it, if the chants in the 2nd half are the best they can come up with then it's time to take their toys off them and send them to bed early tonight, infantile sums it up for me
Have to say I'm not in favour of the German chant but that's just me.
What chants did you come up with?
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The whole thing could be sorted out by the Black Bank being a members organisation. In other words you have to sign up with name and address to join. If anything untoward happens then the person/s concerned can be disciplined by the rest of the membership.
The problem is that something like this, set up by true fans, gets taken over by idiots who should be thrown out. Thankfully we have got rid of most of the thugs who go to games just to cause trouble, but there are still a few.
Surely the VSC doesn't want to be associated with mindless morons. The idea of a large contingent of shouting and singing speccies is good, but not if it turns into a home for the dregs.
And the VSC has its own share of mindless morons. Including the one who decided to instigate the issue over the flag today. He knows who he is.
Just out of interest, how do you know who reported it?
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It didn't take too long did it, if the chants in the 2nd half are the best they can come up with then it's time to take their toys off them and send them to bed early tonight, infantile sums it up for me
Have to say I'm not in favour of the German chant but that's just me.
What chants did you come up with?
Absolutely none. My singing days are long gone, OK?
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The whole thing could be sorted out by the Black Bank being a members organisation. In other words you have to sign up with name and address to join. If anything untoward happens then the person/s concerned can be disciplined by the rest of the membership.
The problem is that something like this, set up by true fans, gets taken over by idiots who should be thrown out. Thankfully we have got rid of most of the thugs who go to games just to cause trouble, but there are still a few.
Surely the VSC doesn't want to be associated with mindless morons. The idea of a large contingent of shouting and singing speccies is good, but not if it turns into a home for the dregs.
And the VSC has its own share of mindless morons. Including the one who decided to instigate the issue over the flag today. He knows who he is.
Just out of interest, how do you know who reported it?
I was wondering myself tbh because I can't imagine the stewards would have named anybody, they may have just said we've had a complaint about it being offensive or something like that, or even that text thingy's supposedly anonymous
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The whole thing could be sorted out by the Black Bank being a members organisation. In other words you have to sign up with name and address to join. If anything untoward happens then the person/s concerned can be disciplined by the rest of the membership.
The problem is that something like this, set up by true fans, gets taken over by idiots who should be thrown out. Thankfully we have got rid of most of the thugs who go to games just to cause trouble, but there are still a few.
Surely the VSC doesn't want to be associated with mindless morons. The idea of a large contingent of shouting and singing speccies is good, but not if it turns into a home for the dregs.
And the VSC has its own share of mindless morons. Including the one who decided to instigate the issue over the flag today. He knows who he is.
Just out of interest, how do you know who reported it?
I was wondering myself tbh because I can't imagine the stewards would have named anybody, they may have just said we've had a complaint about it being offensive or something like that, or even that text thingy's supposedly anonymous
Maybe the stewards produce a signed affidavit now, I'm sure Underwood would n't accuse someone without the evidence to back it up, would he?
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Forget the politics or who is or isn't to blame. It is pathetic.
OK some of what the young lads chant isn't to my taste but along with the drum they have started to actually create some kind of atmosphere.
Why do some people want to kill that before the season starts.
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The whole thing could be sorted out by the Black Bank being a members organisation. In other words you have to sign up with name and address to join. If anything untoward happens then the person/s concerned can be disciplined by the rest of the membership.
The problem is that something like this, set up by true fans, gets taken over by idiots who should be thrown out. Thankfully we have got rid of most of the thugs who go to games just to cause trouble, but there are still a few.
Surely the VSC doesn't want to be associated with mindless morons. The idea of a large contingent of shouting and singing speccies is good, but not if it turns into a home for the dregs.
And the VSC has its own share of mindless morons. Including the one who decided to instigate the issue over the flag today. He knows who he is.
Just out of interest, how do you know who reported it?
I was wondering myself tbh because I can't imagine the stewards would have named anybody, they may have just said we've had a complaint about it being offensive or something like that, or even that text thingy's supposedly anonymous
Maybe the stewards produce a signed affidavit now, I'm sure Underwood would n't accuse someone without the evidence to back it up, would he?
I don't believe i've named anyone here. I'm actually conversing with the said person via another channel as we speak.
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The whole thing could be sorted out by the Black Bank being a members organisation. In other words you have to sign up with name and address to join. If anything untoward happens then the person/s concerned can be disciplined by the rest of the membership.
The problem is that something like this, set up by true fans, gets taken over by idiots who should be thrown out. Thankfully we have got rid of most of the thugs who go to games just to cause trouble, but there are still a few.
Surely the VSC doesn't want to be associated with mindless morons. The idea of a large contingent of shouting and singing speccies is good, but not if it turns into a home for the dregs.
And the VSC has its own share of mindless morons. Including the one who decided to instigate the issue over the flag today. He knows who he is.
Just out of interest, how do you know who reported it?
I was wondering myself tbh because I can't imagine the stewards would have named anybody, they may have just said we've had a complaint about it being offensive or something like that, or even that text thingy's supposedly anonymous
Maybe the stewards produce a signed affidavit now, I'm sure Underwood would n't accuse someone without the evidence to back it up, would he?
I don't believe i've named anyone here. I'm actually conversing with the said person via another channel as we speak.
True, you have n't named anyone on here, but you don't need to be Einstien to work out who you are referring to
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According to google translate 'verdammtes' (on the banner) translates into 'f*cking'.
Do we have any German speaker on here who know better
Shone guten Abend mein Inseln Affen Bruder und schwesterin der Sind keen problem mitt das wort verdamdt .
Good evening my island Monkey Brothers and sisters there is no problem using that word it's merely the German version of God dam🐵🙊🙈
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Are they the words of an official German? Did you check their passport?
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I brought a friend to today's game who usually attends 5-10 Games a season and he said it's best atmosphere he's heard at keepmoat for a long time, keep up the good work black bank
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That one might nosedive a bit Filo! ;-)
It may bomb for sure
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Anyway ... if anyone wants my opinion and they usually don't here goes
I was not offended by the Flag in any way ... but the chant of Big F******g German is not clever. The word f****** has become meaningless and as in this case is merely a "filler" for people who cant put anything better in its place.
Surely someone in the Black Bank which did add a lot to the atmosphere even with an almost empty Ground can come up with something better to chant than We've got a Big f*****g German ? We did not sing Billy Billy f*****g Sharp did we or Oh Jamie Jamie, Jamie Jamie f*****g Coppinger ?
That said the Stewards over reacted and presumably they were only "doing their jobs" and had been ordered to get the "offending" Flag and remove it from view
Oh well that's it :chair:
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'We need to make the Black Bank impossible to police'
Gaz, that's the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here. All that will happen is the police will police it: by closing it down
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'We need to make the Black Bank impossible to police'
Gaz, that's the most ridiculous comment I've ever read on here. All that will happen is the police will police it: by closing it down
Maybe he worded it wrong. Maybe it should have been "impossible to steward?"
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Why not use chuffin? At least it's a Yorkshirrism. The atmosphere was good until the steward/flag episode and then the f@!! The IRA chant, what's that to do with us or football.
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personaly ive never been to any game were a cop as never sang songs without swearing from the 60s till this day, and that dosent just include drfc ive been to lots of grounds, so what's all the fuss now let's turn black bank into a church choir would that please everyone
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Why we need to use the Big f***ing German chant I don't know - what do the fans think Mr Stuckmann thinks of that .
We never called Mark Mcammon a big F***ing Barbadian.
and nor should we
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Thorston looked as if he enjoyed it to be fair.
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What are the intentions of the black bank? Is it to create a singing, fun, boisterous section? Or does it stretch beyond that? I've no idea to be honest.
Swearing is par for the course at most matches nowadays, rightly or wrongly.
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What are the intentions of the black bank? Is it to create a singing, fun, boisterous section? Or does it stretch beyond that? I've no idea to be honest.
Swearing is par for the course at most matches nowadays, rightly or wrongly.
not just now but from a long time ago bet thers a lot who use to sing it and playing a different fiddle now ??
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If DVR's hearing was working, it sounds like the Black Bank's purpose is to f**k the IRA.
Which is an impressive ambition.
I wonder if they can then find a cure for cancer and solve Global Warming?
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If DVR's hearing was working, it sounds like the Black Bank's purpose is to f*** the IRA.
Which is an impressive ambition.
I wonder if they can then find a cure for cancer and solve Global Warming?
bill remeber a song from years ago, quote me if I get a few words wrong did it go uda all the way f**k the pub and the ira with a nick nack paddy wack give the dog a bone why don't you just f**k of home ?
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I'm no saint Askern and to be honest like our Thorston I found his chant amusing, I just didn't see how the IRA one fits into helping the players or getting others involved in creating an atmosphere. I offered the word Chuffin as a compromise that I think most could live with and maybe join in.
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sorry dearn wasn't haveing a pop just bringing songs up from the past trying to prove a point it's gone on for years and just not now, personaly I think if fans want to get away from songs that are only meant as banter won't av many sports to go to May be tennis ?
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All these chants have been taken directly from viral youtube videos of other groups of fans. I don't read any more or any less into it than that.
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I didn't take it personally and I'm all for banter, for me that chant isn't
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Copps
I await with bated breath more second-hand, 25 year out-of-date chants. Maybe the one about Elton John's sexuality? Or that one about the absence of the colour black from our national flag?
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All these chants have been taken directly from viral youtube videos of other groups of fans. I don't read any more or any less into it than that.
going back to steward situation copps take a look at that clipp you put on here when we got beat 4.3 by Wigan fantastic footage may I say, Wigan fans on Rosso end take a look at the policeing ? 1 copp in each corner of the ground, point been is there any need for the amount of stewards at games? could it be cheaper to go back to the police? I don't no but think the police would av a lot more respect shown than what we av to put up with now
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My final take on this is that we are trying to kick out racism from football. Racism is not just a black or brown thing, it applies to all races, Germans included. We all know the view of British people years ago to Germans, but modern youth, British and German, knew nothing of the war. It needs to stay that way.
We used to tell jokes about the Irish, they are now very few and far between, funny as many were, they are still racist. Please Black Bankers, support the team, use your brains to come up with intelligent chants, but don't stoop to the depths of those at Leeds, Millwall and Chelsea, make the Keepmoat a place where people want to go, or come to if a visiting supporter.
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Bill, I'm suggesting we may have to sacrifice originality (or sensibility) to simply get some noise in the Keepmoat. Of which, there was very little last season and we had terrible home form which may be a coincidence or not.
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omg where's the racism ? it was banter strukman had a chuckle
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Copps
I'm suggesting that if we are so desperate for faux atmosphere that we resort to singing ex-NF songs about the IRA, frankly I'd rather see us lose in a library.
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May be "We've signed a German brick shithouse" is more acceptable and a compliment to his goalkeeping prowess?
BTW, can't we see the silly chanting afterwards were a protest. They were pissed off!
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how long you go to bv Bill? the songs back then were far worse than the ones now did you moan then about racism or did you find it banter between different fans and teams
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Anyway ... if anyone wants my opinion and they usually don't here goes
I was not offended by the Flag in any way ... but the chant of Big F******g German is not clever. The word f****** has become meaningless and as in this case is merely a "filler" for people who cant put anything better in its place.
Surely someone in the Black Bank which did add a lot to the atmosphere even with an almost empty Ground can come up with something better to chant than We've got a Big f*****g German ? We did not sing Billy Billy f*****g Sharp did we or Oh Jamie Jamie, Jamie Jamie f*****g Coppinger ?
That said the Stewards over reacted and presumably they were only "doing their jobs" and had been ordered to get the "offending" Flag and remove it from view
Oh well that's it :chair:
Spot on Donnywolf, well said.
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Bill,
Do you honestly think the association between the national front and that chant is in the minds of those singing in the South Stand?
It seems to me to be more part of the daft parochialism that pervades football where someone has to hate someone else. I was in the SS for the Sunderland game and looking around the average age must have been shy of 16. Ask an average member of that crowd 5 questions about the NF or the IRA and they would struggle on question one. As I said, the more correct association is that people have seen England fans singing the exact same song on youtube videos and simply copied it.
Now, I think it's a ridiculous chant that I wouldn't take part in. But the point is I don't think we can or should sit here and dissect every single chant (as seems to be going on) for whether it matches one particular political disposition or not. There is a very fine difference, but a difference nonetheless, between a daft chant and being racist, sexist, etc. etc.
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Why not use chuffin? At least it's a Yorkshirrism. The atmosphere was good until the steward/flag episode and then the f@!! The IRA chant, what's that to do with us or football.
IRA chant?!
I wasn't there today, and I admit to having mixed feelings about the whole Black Bank thing. Nevertheless, I applaud any attempt to improve the atmosphere at the KM and to get more vocal support behind the team.
But....IRA chant?
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Why don't the club pipe in crowd noises through the speakers, and everybody whisper and wait they're turn, because they are in a library?.
Because that's what our atmosphere has been for years, loads of librarians sat on they're hands humming Cum by ar and sucking on a Werthers original !.
Of course there are boundaries but what has happened to this country that we think Germans would be insulted by us putting swear words on a flag that were terms of endearment and not an insult, the way you say things can mean two different things just by the manner it's said.
I have no links to the Black Bank i am just sick of this country being so scared of it's own shadow, we dare not have an opinion, it's a way of wearing people down into robots, people need to be able to express they're personalities in life, or really what is the point?!.
Just to add though respect needs to be shown to somebody who doesn't want to get up and sing or can't, everybody should do what they want to as they're personality governs.
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at last comon sence as just walked through the door well said
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Askern- you sent me a pm- nothing on it?
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r u sure
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It becomes a joke when people say big f**king German is racist,it might not be to everyone's taste but come on get a grip,I have seen certain members say far worse on this forum than that
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I remember when Frank le Boeff played for Chelsea and his song was the old
"he's here, he's there, he's every f***ing where, Frank le Boeff etc"
He put a note is a newspaper write up, or maybe a club programme, saying that he wasn't keen on having a swear word in his song so the following week the fans sang,
"he's here, he's there, we're not allowed to swear, Frank le Boeff etc ".
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Why not call him BFG? He can then be Big Friendly Giant or Big F German depending on how you look at it?
As in "BFG, BFG, BFG... Etc.
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Copps
I'm suggesting that if we are so desperate for faux atmosphere that we resort to singing ex-NF songs about the IRA, frankly I'd rather see us lose in a library.
The IRA chant is not only unoriginal but it is also very out of date. Hopefully it will die a death.
I don't think people should get so hung up about the use of the F-word in chants though. So long as Stuckmann isn't offended then I don't see a problem.
A few years back Coventry had a massive centre back called Mohammed (Mo) Konjic. He was a Bosnian muslim and he'd had some involvement in the Yugoslav wars. He was something of a cult hero. He had a song, to the tune of Volare:
"Mohammed, oh-ho,
Mohammed, ooh-ho.
He comes from Bosnia,
He is a big f***er..."
He absolutely loved it, and became even more of a cult hero as a result!
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The issue is not with the flags, or the chanting but whom is making judgements on behalf of the club as to what's acceptable or not.
If this person has a low tolerance and will act accordingly, shouldn't we know what his criteria are?
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Should all this not have been agreed weeks ago? The Safety office or Chief Steward could have been present and informed the fans what kind of sanitised chanting/banners/flags etc would be allowed.
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I dont think it is Baz. I personally dont like swearing in chants, and dont sing those chants, but as you can see there is plenty of evidence for vocal swearing at football matches over many years - and I guess for many years to come. But no-one has yet posted evidence of a fans having a banner with swear words in it, in any language, that stayed in place for any length of time at a football match.
It is not culturally acceptable, like flares, so whoever in Black Bank thought it would be, is just asking for trouble. Or more likely being an egocentric arrogant t**t.
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I think the main lesson to learn is NEVER us Google translate. It is garbage and doesn't do the job for which it is intended.
Maybe the Blank Bank have been somewhat naïve in their planning.
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We need to cut the Blank Bank some slack and have some faith in people to make their own minds up about what they do and chant.
I find it really sad that probably the same people who complain about soulless modern football, where we're all sat down in silence not daring to say anything out of the ordinary, are the same people putting everything that the BB does under a moralising microscope.
I go to a football match knowing that some people in the crowd are a bit rough round the edges and have different opinions to me. But I don't believe the way to tackle that ignorance is to excessively limit and control what people can do inside a football stadium.
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Should all this not have been agreed weeks ago? The Safety office or Chief Steward could have been present and informed the fans what kind of sanitised chanting/banners/flags etc would be allowed.
So us as fans should have to clear all chants with the club first?
No wonder so many are against"modern football"
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Should all this not have been agreed weeks ago? The Safety office or Chief Steward could have been present and informed the fans what kind of sanitised chanting/banners/flags etc would be allowed.
So us as fans should have to clear all chants with the club first?
No wonder so many are against"modern football"
You obviously cannot see the sarcasm in my post UW
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Hey Cubby's why not merely take a simple kids song about our beloved Yorkshire moorland Heather and rather than use its Latin Name Erika,supplement it with Stuckman.
All you are singing is on the heath there is a lovely little flowering plant and it's called Erika :woot:
Here you go
http://youtu.be/o1bPwwLlfYU
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Always interesting to see how these threads develop, and that this one seems to have moved from a banner and steward actions to chants and the general sanitisation of modern football...
Apologies up front but this could be a bit long.
Initial issue, a banner that upset someone, maybe several someones. Big difference between a banner and a chant is that the banner is permanent, always present, a continuous irritation to those offended. Chants are a "of the moment" thing and are less likely to cause a problem, unless they are truly offensive.
Second issue, behaviour of the stewards. Appears from comments that this was not well handled - steward behaviour needs to be addressed by the Club but response of the owner of the banner should also be considered - is it so wrong to react positively when someone says you have, in all innocence, done something wrong or should the mentality always be "f**k 'em"? The latter approach is always likely to lead to trouble.
Defending abusive or inappropriate chants by saying it was OK in the past is pretty weak, if this argument held then we would still have slavery, the workhouse and Lords of the castle having first night with any women getting married, amongst many other less than desirable historically accepted behaviours. Like it or not we are in the 21st century and what is generally regarded as acceptable is not the same as it was in even the last century...
So, no fun to be had then (just for info I had my share of 70's and 80's style supporting)? I hope this is not the case, if those involved can be so dedicated and creative in getting the Black Bank up and running they can surely create the right atmosphere that will please most if not all.
If you don't read, or agree with any of the above just take two thoughts away:
- vist FC St Pauli website and see how this German club has built an atmosphere and a modern day ethos with very vocal supporters groups and the club working together
- our club crest is a Viking, these guys were pretty brutal in their day but in terms of beliefs and how people choose to live their view was you can live and believe what you like, just don't assume I want to live and believe the same thing and don't try and push it down my throat or we will have a problem - a bit of respect both ways goes a long way maybe...
Good job I only reply once in a blue moon eh?
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But we have met with the club and discussed certain tolerance levels!!
As I posted yesterday there was a mistake made, a bit on both parts, and that further talks will be had this week to clarify one or two things.
And again, it's all a bit of a storm in a tea cup.
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SM - much shorter way of saying what I was trying to say :)
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It becomes a joke when people say big f***ing German is racist,it might not be to everyone's taste but come on get a grip,I have seen certain members say far worse on this forum than that
I don't think anyone said it's racist?
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On a recent black bank songs thread someone reminded us of the old song
"Who's that tw*t in the big black hat, scuffer, scuffer etc.
I am sure many of us older fans remember that.
In view of recent events perhaps the updated version could be
"Who's that scroat in the orange coat, steward, steward".
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Just to clarify further and to dismiss any further speculation.
Our understanding is the club were not club were not responding to a complaint.
Gavin Baldwin has apologised to the person ejected and there is no sanction against the individual.
As S_M said, all of us recognise the situation could have been handled differently and we will be continuing our dialogue with the club.
Common sense will prevail in the end. The club values the support being generated from the Black Bank. Players and PD have commented positively about the fans getting behind the team. Long may that continue.
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Just to clarify further and to dismiss any further speculation.
Our understanding is the club were not club were not responding to a complaint.
Gavin Baldwin has apologised to the person ejected and there is no sanction against the individual.
As S_M said, all of us recognise the situation could have been handled differently and we will be continuing our dialogue with the club.
Common sense will prevail in the end. The club values the support being generated from the Black Bank. Players and PD have commented positively about the fans getting behind the team. Long may that continue.
I'm confused Baz, who are you posting on behalf of, who are "we"
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On the actual atmosphere and noise created by the black bank. As I've stated before that was the only pre season game I've been to, my first thoughts were wow! They got some noise going, it will be so much noisier when more are in there when the season begins, fair play to the lads in there that are trying. Then the flag incident happens and all of a sudden we have the "f**k the VSC " andf**k the IRA chants, why? I just don't understand the thought process behind them, unless someone has concrete evidence that the VSC or the IRA were behind the flag confiscation.
Keep on trying boys, but if you want the support of every fan you need to cut out the divisive chants and encourage everyone to be as one, united we stand, divided we fall!
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Just to clarify further and to dismiss any further speculation.
Our understanding is the club were not club were not responding to a complaint.
Gavin Baldwin has apologised to the person ejected and there is no sanction against the individual.
As S_M said, all of us recognise the situation could have been handled differently and we will be continuing our dialogue with the club.
Common sense will prevail in the end. The club values the support being generated from the Black Bank. Players and PD have commented positively about the fans getting behind the team. Long may that continue.
I'm confused Baz, who are you posting on behalf of, who are "we"
I think Baz is referring to the fan panel
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Am I correct in saying the km as got cctv? if so can the actions of fans and stewards be monitored all through a game, like yesterday fan ejected from the ground for nothing leaveing gb to appolagies so surely the steward should face sanctions for is or there actions infact if the lad had done nothing wrong should the steward involved be charged with assault if the shoe was on the other foot the fan would
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Sorry chaps. Yes, the fan panel.
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Just a thought on the flag - we stood in the west stand concourse before the game yesterday looking out into the car park.
A car pulled into the front row of the car park with German number plates on and out got a young women, an older women and a youngish child (8ish at a guess).
Just perhaps these were the family of our keeper? I wonder how they would have viewed the flag?
Anyway - from my seat in the northern end of the west stand I must congratulate the black bank for making a noise that can clearly be heard significantly better than that of last season.
Keep up the good work lads land hopefully on Saturday the numbers will swell to further improve the atmosphere
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Sorry chaps. Yes, the fan panel.
Thanks Baz
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On a recent black bank songs thread someone reminded us of the old song
"Who's that tw*t in the big black hat, scuffer, scuffer etc.
I am sure many of us older fans remember that ***
In view of recent events perhaps the updated version could be
"Who's that scroat in the orange coat, steward, steward".
*** On the Beat all day on the Wife all night (no cant remember that !)
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By the way, the stewards also need to be sorted out before next week because they appear to be most of the trouble.
Can echo this. I drifted off for literally 2 minutes during the Rotherham game last pre-season, before I know it I was accused of being drunk and disorderly and turfed out by 4 stewards, coat partially ripped and grabbed by the throat. Put up a good fight like, SMC though complete set of fcukwits.
Pissed up/drugged up people who kick off in nightclubs don't even get that kind of treatment off bouncers, why football fans eh?
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that's why cctv footage should be available to anny fan who's got a problem concerning stewards if they ask for it and vice versa
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In truth you would have to agree with what has been said about faults on both party's..Firstly there has been a lot of work done by the guys at Black bank.They have got together and put a lot of work into this to get it off the ground with promising results so far..I've had many conversations and disagreements with Sad Al but nobody can fault the effort he has put into this,but I'm sure even he will admit he tends to push the boundarys on occasions...As for the club,it just isn't acceptable to have stewards behaving in the manner and attitude that has happened here..Throwing Neil out because he was upset with the way stewards went about things is very poor...Hopefully it will get sorted out...
On a final point I have to agree with Filo,i have a lot of admiration for the initiative these guys have shown,but if I have to listen to "f88k the vsc" chants every week I will soon lose that and so will many others..The vsc have done fantastic work over the years,most of which they don't understand as they are so young..The IRA chants are just ridiculous and again something they have no knowledge about the true horrors and for anyone over the age of 21 it does them no favours..Apart from that they are achieving something I doubted they could if im honest so I hope they can put that to one side and move forward because that's the biggest danger to it failing...
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Sums it up spot on for me that, Wing Commander.
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that's why cctv footage should be available to anny fan who's got a problem concerning stewards if they ask for it and vice versa
Under the Data Protection Act, any holder of CCTV footage of an individual has to provide that footage on request (although they can charge an admin fee of, I think, 10 quid).
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Well said, good points. I think it would also be useful to remember that not everyone stood in the black bank area is necessarily one and the same as, or associated with, the people who are organising it.
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I sit in the South Stand and am 73 years old-i thought the lads singing/chanting were terrific and the drummer-what a leader !
It's a long time since i heard our supporters make noise like that !
I had to laugh when someone must have said something about "we've got a big f***ing German " and they instantly changed it to "we've go a big "frigging " German "-Why not be like Mrs.Brown and sing "fecking " !
The quick humour of those lads is amazing -as soon as the lad was ejected they sang "we want our Neil back ,we want our Neil back " !!!
All in all the atmosphere was terrific ( for a friendly ! ) can't wait till Bury game to hear what they come up with .
On a more serious side i would hope Mr.Stuckman and his family were not upset by the BFG chanting .
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Good post by wing commander. The club have made a cock up on this occasion, but they must be commended overall for allowing the fan panels initially to discuss the idea of a singing section, and then allowing the black bank to take the idea forward. The boys who used to sit in the west stand have made a massive difference and the drummer at the middlesbrough game was fantastic.
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Good post by wing commander. The club have made a cock up on this occasion, but they must be commended overall for allowing the fan panels initially to discuss the idea of a singing section, and then allowing the black bank to take the idea forward. The boys who used to sit in the west stand have made a massive difference and the drummer at the middlesbrough game was fantastic.
Tbh wouldn't even blame the club as such, the stadium safety officer/crowd control/head steward/cctv guvnor whatever he's called (although now employed by the club) is the one that is responsible for a matchday decisions he's the one that perhaps needs pulling by the club to loosen up a bit.
Even though I disagree with the whole of the South becoming unreserved how it did, I must admit the atmosphere is better and hopefully in future minus the the daft ira/vsc chants
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personaly I can't wait for Saturday, I'm hopeing the black bank is in full song and I want to see the reaction of the stewards and then I wana see there reaction when the big boys come to town, yes leeds let's see how they Cary out there duties against one of bestcrews in England, think a few of them will av to change there boxes
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Having only read about 60% of the thread, I believe the word "f**king" comes into the chant as a reference to the acronym "BFG".
Or that's what I've been told by an Arsenal fan regarding theirs for Mertesacker.
Not arsed about it either way, for the record.
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This is the most excited if been about an opening game since we made our debut in the Championship.
I really think this could be the start of turning things around off an on the pitch.
I have an idea of what to expect from the Black Bank on Saturday. Given the 'practice' we've had in the friendlies, it could be a special day.
Come on PD and the boys, please do your bit! Let's all do our bit. Goals and 3 points will be intoxicating!
COYR!
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personaly I can't wait for Saturday, I'm hopeing the black bank is in full song and I want to see the reaction of the stewards and then I wana see there reaction when the big boys come to town, yes leeds let's see how they Cary out there duties against one of bestcrews in England, think a few of them will av to change there boxes
Why have we never played Leeds at home before?
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This is the most excited if been about an opening game since we made our debut in the Championship.
I really think this could be the start of turning things around off an on the pitch.
I have an idea of what to expect from the Black Bank on Saturday. Given the 'practice' we've had in the friendlies, it could be a special day.
Come on PD and the boys, please do your bit! Let's all do our bit. Goals and 3 points will be intoxicating!
COYR!
I think it will be a special atmosphere on Saturday. I will be contributing. If I can get a seat that is! I reckon the SS with be packed.
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personaly I can't wait for Saturday, I'm hopeing the black bank is in full song and I want to see the reaction of the stewards and then I wana see there reaction when the big boys come to town, yes leeds let's see how they Cary out there duties against one of bestcrews in England, think a few of them will av to change there boxes
Why have we never played Leeds at home before?
yes we have wilts but we avnt come up against stewards acting like this?
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It'll be alright on the night! Teething problems, that's all !!!!
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I'm sure it has been mentioned somewhere over the 5 pages of this thread that the BFG chants have been used at the Emirates for years, and Mertesacker loves it.
I'm assuming some must be missing the Roald Dahl reference not to see the funny side of it.
You're being far too precious if you're offended by a tongue-in-cheek chant like that. F-this and F-that is usually used in a far less lighthearted manner.
I agree with those against the IRA/VSC chants though; both are completely uncalled for.
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Club have released a flag policy for anyone thinking about taking their own flags to Rovers games.
Can be downloaded here: http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/documents/flags110-2613040.pdf
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Is this in conjunction with the fans panel?
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Club have released a flag policy for anyone thinking about taking their own flags to Rovers games.
Can be downloaded here: http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/documents/flags110-2613040.pdf
So basically they don't want any homemade flags, want to tie up the stewards with long inspections , check for fire-retardancy etc etc. fellas you will be asked to take your shoes off next , have your hoodies, sweaters, undies checked for fire retardancy etc.
Basically forget a decent show on the day, wtf has got into them..............at least stock up on what could be used in the club shop before introducing such a draconian policy. They are doing their damnedest to make it sterile again aren't they ?
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I don't think so Hoola. I think the ckub are just letting everyone know where they stand [sic] regarding flags. If everyone knows the rules it should help prevent conflicts between fans and stewards in future.
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Yes but its completely OTT. Its a policy designed to restrict flags and banners, not encourage them.
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I guess the head steward must just have been on a new "Elf and Safety" course.
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If I heard a chant of f$$$ the VSC I would expect my donation to the flag cause reimbursed too. That is thoughtless to attack fellow supporters for paying membership fees to help the co operative which in turn has no other mission than to further the interests of our club.
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It's a very small minority though, who probably don't know why they're singing it.
Talking of the flags, they are busy right now measuring the ones that have already been approved by the club to see if they meet these new guidelines. Mmmm. I think the new guidelines might be amended.
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If I heard a chant of f$$$ the VSC I would expect my donation to the flag cause reimbursed too. That is thoughtless to attack fellow supporters for paying membership fees to help the co operative which in turn has no other mission than to further the interests of our club.
why would you want your money back,if someone on this board said fk the black bank would u ask for ur membership money back?
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Idiots out again
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Liam Hoden @liamhoden 4s4 seconds ago
The appeal for no pyro at Rovers worked then. Not even kicked off and there's a smoke bomb in the south stand #drfc #starlive
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I want the BB to work but at the moment it looks like it could be over before its even begun.
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Police will close it before long shame as a lot of people have worked very hard
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Second lot of Pyro thats this done. and they can't blame anyone but themselves
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Is a smoke bomb a pyro? I'm stood here with my boys and it's not a problem at all.
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Is a smoke bomb a pyro? I'm stood here with my boys and it's not a problem at all.
It's an uncontrolled incendiary device.
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Incendiary? I know it's called a bomb but it doesn't go boom.
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It involves a chemical reaction so heat is given off, therefore a pyro.
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Incendiary? I know it's called a bomb but it doesn't go boom.
The incendiary bombs that got dropped in WW2 didn't go boom either...!
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Bit dramatic but there you go.
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More a farce than a drama, they should know to expect them now and nab the perpetrators ASAP.
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What a blooming shame.... Sounds like they're creating the atmosphere that's been missing but spoiling it at the same time
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Sound as if the BB were making a great noise, and a great atmosphere.
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Let's hope the d**khead pea brains don't ruin it for the Black Bank. Before you know it we'll be being frisked before we go in.
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I counted 4 pyros tonight - how many was there?
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Let's hope the d**khead pea brains don't ruin it for the Black Bank. Before you know it we'll be being frisked before we go in.
Wouldn't be surprised to see that at the next game.
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Fantastic Atmosphere in the ground but the pyros could get the club in bother.
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Let's hope the d**khead pea brains don't ruin it for the Black Bank. Before you know it we'll be being frisked before we go in.
Already were tonight.
It was great again they just need to cut the pyro and vsc b*llocks, everything else is great.
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when I entered the ground today a steward took two deodorant cans off two girls from there bags as he said if you put a flame to them it was dangerous but miss the smoke bombs that some idiot brought in the bb will end very soon as the club will get fined
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Find the culprits and ban them for a very long time from the KM. Make an example of them to any other aspiring d*ckheads.
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Let's hope the d**khead pea brains don't ruin it for the Black Bank. Before you know it we'll be being frisked before we go in.
fans av been frisked for years what's new, we've been onabout pyros now for some time now,so who's not picking things up?? stewards who don't do there jobs for me, too busy antagonise ing fans instead of concentrating on what they should be doing
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In fairness, I must credit the stewards tonight. I thought they were a lot more relaxed than they were in previous games.
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I hear medical treatment had to be administered to someone tonight after the pyro was thrown. What will it take for the idiots get the message?
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I know people want to enjoy the games, and to some pyro's seem to be the answer, how long until it's a firework?, anybody remember a firework in a game i think in this country, it was let off accidently and killed somebody in the opposite stand?.
Isn't there something similar to pyro's that gives the same effect without the smoke that billows out of them and causes people who can't breathe well to suffer?.
I am not elderly but i have family who suffer badly with breathing, and i see what a bonfire in the next garden does, so in such an enclosed space i fear for anybody who suffers in this way.
I want people to have a great time without harming others, why lose people when you can do the right thing?.
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The Black Bank thing is good, but if they want to maintain credibility , they have to self police idiots who give them a bad name. If you know WHO they are then come forward, otherwise every one of you will be tarred with the same brush. These idiots are NOT Rovers fans, if they were they would not persist with this stupid behaviour.
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It needs somebody they respect to say ''Come on lads we don't need these''!.
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I hear medical treatment had to be administered to someone tonight after the pyro was thrown. What will it take for the idiots get the message?
A young lad, maybe 12 or 13 years old, and his Dad seemed to be taken to the paramedics at the bottom of the west/south corner
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I hear medical treatment had to be administered to someone tonight after the pyro was thrown. What will it take for the idiots get the message?
A young lad, maybe 12 or 13 years old, and his Dad seemed to be taken to the paramedics at the bottom of the west/south corner
Yep right in front of us, kid was very upset. These people need to think about others.
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I hear medical treatment had to be administered to someone tonight after the pyro was thrown. What will it take for the idiots get the message?
A functioning brain.
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I wonder, if the Rovers pick up a fine for these pyro incidents, will those responsible contribute to paying it? Thought not!
COYR
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I hear medical treatment had to be administered to someone tonight after the pyro was thrown. What will it take for the idiots get the message?
A young lad, maybe 12 or 13 years old, and his Dad seemed to be taken to the paramedics at the bottom of the west/south corner
Yep right in front of us, kid was very upset. These people need to think about others.
No pyro, no paramedics.
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It needs somebody they respect to say ''Come on lads we don't need these''!.
Copps tried several times last Season on the big screen when Captain
If they don't respect HIM then who would they respect ?
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The DRSG keep telling ppl they created the black bank, so they need to take responsibility and condemn those with pyros. Ppl also need to work with the club and help identify the individuals, if that hasn't already happened.
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It needs somebody they respect to say ''Come on lads we don't need these''!.
Copps tried several times last Season on the big screen when Captain
If they don't respect HIM then who would they respect ?
Do they know who Copps is?
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It needs somebody they respect to say ''Come on lads we don't need these''!.
Copps tried several times last Season on the big screen when Captain
If they don't respect HIM then who would they respect ?
Do they know who Copps is?
That's open to debate
COYR
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Liam Hoden @liamhoden 4s4 seconds ago
The appeal for no pyro at Rovers worked then. Not even kicked off and there's a smoke bomb in the south stand #drfc #starlive
Because they're 'Donny Rovers and they'll do what they want'... f**king idiots.
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Anybody remember a firework in a game i think in this country, it was let off accidently and killed somebody in the opposite stand?
Yes. Wales vs Romania, 1993 (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/flare-kills-football-fan-at-world-cup-qualifying-match-1505057.html).
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The DRSG keep telling ppl they created the black bank, so they need to take responsibility and condemn those with pyros. Ppl also need to work with the club and help identify the individuals, if that hasn't already happened.
to be fair Neil has pointed it out,u can only do so much to stop people
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It would be great if the club could identify the culprits, and pass on any fines received from the FL.
They don't care about the club, other fans, and are apparently not phased by the prospect of a ban and being arrested, but I bet they care about their wallets.
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http://www.southyorks.police.uk/news-syp/two-year-ban-football-%E2%80%98fan%E2%80%99-doncaster-rovers-match (http://www.southyorks.police.uk/news-syp/two-year-ban-football-%E2%80%98fan%E2%80%99-doncaster-rovers-match)
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The police statement says one person - but in the club one it says two?
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/pyrotechnic-devices-2-year-stadium-bans-2619301.aspx
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The police statement says one person - but in the club one it says two?
http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/article/pyrotechnic-devices-2-year-stadium-bans-2619301.aspx
The police can only talk about someone they arrested. It's quite possible that one was arrested and one was identified by the club separately.
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Anybody remember a firework in a game i think in this country, it was let off accidently and killed somebody in the opposite stand?
Yes. Wales vs Romania, 1993 (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/flare-kills-football-fan-at-world-cup-qualifying-match-1505057.html).
I can remember the one at the Wolves game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gllwK9dTOq8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gllwK9dTOq8)
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Among all the negatives it's worth reiterating again that the atmosphere from last year has improved massively and that the Black Back is getting fuller and fuller. It's also worth mentioning that people behind the scenes are genuinely trying to make a go of things, communicate with the club and build support. It took a few to raise their heads above the sand and do something about the Keepquiet. A few numpties won't ruin this.
And it was quite an amazing moment last night when Sky Sports said that the penalties will be taken towards the Black Bank! The stand's already been renamed.
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Bury away other season a copper had took a firework of a fan. The idiot ended up letting it off himself.
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Can't believe the policing policy.
They arrest someone's for carrying fireworks and let them off. Yet I once got picked up for carrying a car battery and I got charged.
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Yes Billy but you were arrested for possible Assault WITH Battery. <laugh><laugh>
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Sorry, wrong forum, should be :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Yes, the Dad Jokes Forum is that way ------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>
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Copps
Making humorous comments about folks' age is SOOOOOooo passé, my chabby little spadger.
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I know the old saying is ''You can't educate pork''!, or ''You can't polish a turd'', or even ''You can't make a thoroughbread out of a selling plater''
But i don't think people should go down the route of banning just yet, identify them and have them into try and explain why it's not a good idea.
If they do it after that then :thumbdown:, it's a rebellion thing because they are young kids trying to push the limits, but it shouldn't be at someone elses cost with they're health.
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identify them and have them into try and explain why it's not a good idea.
The club have been doing that for over 12 months now though Sammy
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Name and shame with the cold, brutal facts (arrest, 2 year ban) on the big screen? Personal plea from player(s) via microphone pitch address?
Can proper prosecutions / big fines be achieved? Don't know who has to run with that though (club/police). These people should be made to pay every penny it costs the club.
Something has to be done as a small handful of fools are costing the club dear and negating all the great work done to get Black Bank up and running.
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Name and shame with the cold, brutal facts (arrest, 2 year ban) on the big screen? Personal plea from player(s) via microphone pitch address?
Can proper prosecutions / big fines be achieved? Don't know who has to run with that though (club/police). These people should be made to pay every penny it costs the club.
Something has to be done as a small handful of fools are costing the club dear and negating all the great work done to get Black Bank up and running.
If prosecutions are pending then they will be named in the local press eventually
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I know the old saying is ''You can't educate pork''!, or ''You can't polish a turd'', or even ''You can't make a thoroughbread out of a selling plater''
But i don't think people should go down the route of banning just yet, identify them and have them into try and explain why it's not a good idea.
If they do it after that then :thumbdown:, it's a rebellion thing because they are young kids trying to push the limits, but it shouldn't be at someone elses cost with they're health.
No Sammy, there have been several pyro incidents with our fans over recent seasons, and the club has repeatedly given warnings over this. If the fans who still bring them are so ignorant of that, they deserve the bans.
Had this been a first offence so to speak, for DRFC in general, then yes, be more lenient. But clearly it is not, far from it in fact.
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Can't believe the policing policy.
They arrest someone's for carrying fireworks and let them off. Yet I once got picked up for carrying a car battery and I got charged.
Was that before or after your 'glass, bottle; bottle, glass' trick?
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Belton
Some things just get better with age.
Like my sexual repertoire.
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Billy. You've spelled 'repugnance' incorrectly.
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Can't believe the policing policy.
They arrest someone's for carrying fireworks and let them off. Yet I once got picked up for carrying a car battery and I got charged.
But Billy it was still attached to the car you were nicking it from wasn't it? :P
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My take on it is this..... On thursday, Chris wood was seen launching a missile into the blank bank (I know it was him cos i saw him do it) and nothing was done. Why?
It could have seriously hurt someone that, at the speed it was doing, yet the stewards did nothing. I doubt if the culprit was ejected from the ground.
Yet as soon as a flag is raised all hell brakes loose.
Madness i tell ya.
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Name and shame with the cold, brutal facts (arrest, 2 year ban) on the big screen? Personal plea from player(s) via microphone pitch address?
Can proper prosecutions / big fines be achieved? Don't know who has to run with that though (club/police). These people should be made to pay every penny it costs the club.
Something has to be done as a small handful of fools are costing the club dear and negating all the great work done to get Black Bank up and running.
If prosecutions are pending then they will be named in the local press eventually
Unless they are under age, but if that is the case, how did they get them in the first place. Is there an adult who supplied them with these article that needs prosecuting as well?
COYR
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Belton
Take my mother-in-law.
Please.
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I have. And your mum.
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Did she take it up the arse?
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My take on it is this..... On thursday, Chris wood was seen launching a missile into the blank bank (I know it was him cos i saw him do it) and nothing was done. Why?
It could have seriously hurt someone that, at the speed it was doing, yet the stewards did nothing. I doubt if the culprit was ejected from the ground.
Yet as soon as a flag is raised all hell brakes loose.
Madness i tell ya.
I was in row M and it went way over the top of me.
Just out of interest does anyone actually know wht row it landed in?
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M18
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Nobodies fault but they're own if they have been warned, i don't want to sound like an old git, but when you try to talk to lads of the age, it's like they are dead from the waist up.
We all encourage the extra noise and better atmosphere, but not fair if an older guy and woman has to suffer with they're breathing.
I know each generation understands little from the one's before, but it's very hard to get any sort of common ground with a lot of them, they don't use the head for thinking.
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M18
A1 or M1?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibh5xS6Gatk
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Not being pedantic but don't you think it would have been much better without the evidence of flares?
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The effort and heart is there...but that...that is terribly sad, dare I say tinpot.
Just like still playing goal music after we score.
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The effort and heart is there...but that...that is terribly sad, dare I say tinpot.
Just like still playing goal music after we score.
I remember when we took pride in being tinpot. And when fans didn't get shot down for trying to improve the atmosphere.
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There's nothing to be proud about in being tinpot.
I'm not shooting the atmosphere down, it's been great and it's much needed. I'm specifically talking about that video. And post goal music.
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I just don't quite understand why you've taken time out your day to mock and belittle something other fans are doing?
It's too easy, we can all do that.
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I like that CiM but have to agree with Yorkie's point about the smoke shots. The vid is clearly aimed at presenting a positive image of the BB efforts, presumably then you don't think the use of smoke bombs is a problem?
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The video also shows other banned behaviour - standing, non fire-proof flags, swearing (probably), taking pictures of the action. Does that mean I'm encouraging that aswell? I don't think so personally. I would prefer to leave it down to individuals to decide what they do inside a stadium.
It's a slippery slope collectively wiping things from people's imaginations as if they never happened.
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I don't think it's an "official" BB vid.
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It aint. I made it. Submit all complaints to our complaints department (didn't quite realise I'd need one).
I'm still waiting for the first person to say clapping inside stadiums makes too much noise pollution. We're heading that way.
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People need to take a leaf out of my book and cut the black bank some slack, apart from the smoke bombs the matchday atmosphere is much more improved and the vibe is a positive one, the black bank can take a lot of credit for that, sort the numpty's with the smoke bombs out and it's a winner
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It aint. I made it. Submit all complaints to our complaints department (didn't quite realise I'd need one).
I'm still waiting for the first person to say clapping inside stadiums makes too much noise pollution. We're heading that way.
Irwin and Mitchell are just awaiting your address to forward the claim to :)
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Of course, in full disclosure, I never clap inside the ground anyway because I wouldn't want to get caught being tinpot in public for fear my already sky-high public (un)credibility dips any further.
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The video also shows other banned behaviour - standing, non fire-proof flags, swearing (probably), taking pictures of the action. Does that mean I'm encouraging that aswell? I don't think so personally. I would prefer to leave it down to individuals to decide what they do inside a stadium.
It's a slippery slope collectively wiping things from people's imaginations as if they never happened.
I don't want smoke bombs
COYR
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I think it's a great video. I'm sure copps is Magic didn't set off the pyros he is just trying to build up the black bank so let's give him some support and encouragement
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Just cut the parts with the pyro, as obviously no-one wants to encourage that, and it's a winner, winner chicken dinner!
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It reminds me of Monty's Marauders!
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I think it's a great video. I'm sure copps is Magic didn't set off the pyros he is just trying to build up the black bank so let's give him some support and encouragement
I don't think anyone is knocking what CIM has produced. The point is if he has got the software and the means to produce such a video equally he could easily edit out the pyro clips. I am sure there is plenty of footage at his disposal without having to (pardon the pun) inflame an already difficult issue.
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Well done CIM, a very good effort. Keep up the good work.
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Totally agree,atmosphere was a bludy nightmare and with all these moaning minnies it will be again,keep up the good work!!
Dont know if black bank were anything to do with the atmosphere on Sunday but that was improved as well. Brilliant stuff :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
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Totally agree,atmosphere was a bludy nightmare and with all these moaning minnies it will be again,keep up the good work!!
Dont know if black bank were anything to do with the atmosphere on Sunday but that was improved as well. Brilliant stuff :scarf: :scarf: :scarf:
might be wrong but I think it's down to a lot more teens getting involved with drfc, bit boisterous but who wasn't at that age, if we manage to put a good run together it will even get better, the pics with the pyro on made it look like a game in Europe, great atmosphere
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Copps, that vid gets a ten from me.
I understand that you are promoting the match day atmosphere and for those who haven't been to the KMS of late, you really should try to give it a go.
It isn't quiet anymore.
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Who's in the Black Bank tonight then?
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Hopefully loads of you - all singing, all dancing, all drumming! I won't as I'm getting piss wet through on a devon campsite! But as ever I'll be there in mind and spirit! However I'm with filo - everything's looking and sounding great apart from the pyros and smoke!
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Hopefully loads of you - all singing, all dancing, all drumming! I won't as I'm getting piss wet through on a devon campsite! But as ever I'll be there in mind and spirit! However I'm with filo - everything's looking and sounding great apart from the pyros and smoke!
Exactly. Please just keep the pyro and silly vsc chants out of it. We're all Donny fans at the end of the day...
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Hopefully loads of you - all singing, all dancing, all drumming! I won't as I'm getting piss wet through on a devon campsite! But as ever I'll be there in mind and spirit! However I'm with filo - everything's looking and sounding great apart from the pyros and smoke!
Al, I've just done some rudimentary calculations and by my estimation if you set off now you can still make the game. Otherwise, I brand you a part-timer.
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CIM, lol!
However my wife has just spat her coffee back into her mug and laughed saying she'll brand me as divorced if I set off now!
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Who's in the Black Bank tonight then?
See ya there.
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The video is excellent CIM, you designed it to create and show the atmosphere and you succeeded, well done, the pyro brigade will fizzle out (don't pardon the pun). because of the consequences I'm sure
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I'll be in the BB tonight again, with a certain gent who may force the reinstatement of the barbed wire should we not get the full three points tonight........
:s
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Aw no rob!
Still I suppose he can't be dissuaded - nor would I want him to be - but for feck sake make sure he understands the ramifications of the reinstated barbed wire threat!
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Don't worry the barbed wire is only in storage its not gone rusty!
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Wll do Al
Praying for an early goal we can hang onto now.... ;)
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I can feel another croaky voice coming on tonight. :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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Could be a low crowd tonight - so those of us there might have to sing a bit louder.
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I'll be returning to my normal seat in the West.
Thinking of trying to get a chant going, as Season ticket book covers for Seniors has a fella in his flat cap..."West Stand Flat Cap Barmy Army!"
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Was very good tonight, midweek games always have the tendency to be dull, especially 0-0s, but the support was top. :scarf:
Need to improve that repertoire though.
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The Manish Bhasin love in was very bizarre...
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The bank created a great atmosphere tonight despite the low overall crowd and we had a right laugh with the funny shout and song thing near the end.
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Quieter tonight for sure. Terrible crowd though...
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That poor guy was out of steam after the second go but everyone kept encouraging him to go again.
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Was a good effort by the BB again, just a shame about the anti VSC chanting, which frankly there is no need for.
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Was a good effort by the BB again, just a shame about the anti VSC chanting, which frankly there is no need for.
Yep still don't get it.
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Not many joined in though did they.
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Tbh I didn't hear any
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That poor guy was out of steam after the second go but everyone kept encouraging him to go again.
What an absolute hero he was.
What was he actually shouting though? :laugh:
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Pity the players didn't put the same effort in.
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Pity the players didn't put the same effort in.
Get Tomlinson on!
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My first view of the black bank and top marks,a great effort with so little to shout about..like what has been said,if the players would have shown anywhere near the same passion and commitment we would have won.
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Got to say I thought the Black Bank were quiet in the first half by our usual standards. Second half was fantastic though.
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Pity the players didn't put the same effort in.
Get Tomlinson on!
I think ricky is passed it tbh
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Out of interest, what are actual lyrics to the song that sounds like it starts with the line "Everywhere we go" and then continue with the same words for every other line?
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"We're the Donny boys, making all the noise, everywhere we go".
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Out of interest, what are actual lyrics to the song that sounds like it starts with the line "Everywhere we go" and then continue with the same words for every other line?
I wanted to know this aswell, cheers
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Isn't it more an away chant anyway?
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Yeah but f**k it.
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Got to say I thought the Black Bank were quiet in the first half by our usual standards. Second half was fantastic though.
With all that support and we still can't score the noise will be tumultuous if we can actually manage that.
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Isn't it more an away chant anyway?
Doesn't being at the KMS count as being one of the places they go?
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Every time I start to get a bit of respect for the efforts of the drsg and black bank which is the same thing..They have to stir the flames with yet another attack on the vsc and its organisers like what he put on the fb page today..It really is immature for gods sake someone give him his ball back...Really is quite pathetic....
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Every time I start to get a bit of respect for the efforts of the drsg and black bank which is the same thing..They have to stir the flames with yet another attack on the vsc and its organisers like what he put on the fb page today..It really is immature for gods sake someone give him his ball back...Really is quite pathetic....
Not sure whats brought on Neils latest outburst, but people in glass houses and all that, was n't he recently ejected from the KM?
Is that the type of person that the club wish to associate themselves with?
And yes, I did throw a tenner into the flag fund, and I have commended them on their efforts, like I've said before, they took the money from this forums members, all donated with goodwill and in good faith and ran, and then old wounds are reopened for no apparent reason.
That speaks volumes about the person and his motives!
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If he was ejected from ground, has he been banned from attending?
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Every time I start to get a bit of respect for the efforts of the drsg and black bank which is the same thing..They have to stir the flames with yet another attack on the vsc and its organisers like what he put on the fb page today..It really is immature for gods sake someone give him his ball back...Really is quite pathetic....
Not sure whats brought on Neils latest outburst, but people in glass houses and all that, was n't he recently ejected from the KM?
Is that the type of person that the club wish to associate themselves with?
And yes, I did throw a tenner into the flag fund, and I have commended them on their efforts, like I've said before, they took the money from this forums members, all donated with goodwill and in good faith and ran, and then old wounds are reopened for no apparent reason.
That speaks volumes about the person and his motives!
I put a tenner in as well Filo but if they keep on making a noise like that it's money well spent.
If a few want to chan anti VSC then it just shows how wide of the mark they are.
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Every time I start to get a bit of respect for the efforts of the drsg and black bank which is the same thing..They have to stir the flames with yet another attack on the vsc and its organisers like what he put on the fb page today..It really is immature for gods sake someone give him his ball back...Really is quite pathetic....
Is there any need to bring that up on this thread though? The Black Bank is a collective thing ran by the fans for the fans where anyone can contribute. It's not owned by any one person neither is about individuals.
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Every time I start to get a bit of respect for the efforts of the drsg and black bank which is the same thing..They have to stir the flames with yet another attack on the vsc and its organisers like what he put on the fb page today..It really is immature for gods sake someone give him his ball back...Really is quite pathetic....
Is there any need to bring that up on this thread though? The Black Bank is a collective thing ran by the fans for the fans where anyone can contribute. It's not owned by any one person neither is about individuals.
Agreed it isn't. The anti VSC under-current doesn't sit well with me given the VSC as an organisation and it's members support it. Some of those involved from other groups are free to act like plonkers, I wouldn't stoop to that level, it's them that look foolish and best left ignored.
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The Black Bank is a collective thing ran by the fans for the fans where anyone can contribute. It's not owned by any one person neither is about individuals.
here here
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The Black Bank is a collective thing ran by the fans for the fans where anyone can contribute. It's not owned by any one person neither is about individuals.
here here
I'd also like to say here here, I really would, so how many collective individuals requested the Blackbank account be deleted from this Forum, thus stopping a very good avenue of communication to further and grow the collective, whilst keeping avenues of communication open elsewhere?
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I'm not a member of the VSC but it did make me feel a bit awkward last night. I mean, come on. It's f**king pathetic and there's just no need for it as it isn't productive in any way. f**king get behind the team and if it really must happen, keep the f**king squabbling to the message boards.
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It's cringey when it sounds like just two people and the drummer involving themselves in it.
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Just to put the record straight Filo, Neil was wrongfully ejected and quite rightly reinstated and received an apology.
Petty points scoring and squabbling is pointless and boring on all sides.
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Just to put the record straight Filo, Neil was wrongfully ejected and quite rightly reinstated and received an apology.
Petty points scoring and squabbling is pointless and boring on all sides.
I agree, but someone seems determined to keep the wounds open
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I'd like to point out comments on this forum remain those of the individuals who make them. You won't find any "point scoring" posts by a VSC director or the VSC.
The VSC have supported the black bank since before it was named as such; the trust organised the first fan panels, were involved in bringing all parties to the table to talk in the first place, and also recommended to the club they brought Mark Bradley on board to assist with fan engagement. We have always supported the idea of a singing section in the south stand, when others still wanted to organise it in the North West, and for anyone to suggest the VSC aren't behind the black bank would simply be untrue.
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Unfortunately, the truth is just an inconvenience when it comes one person in particular.
It looks like a most desperate attempt at membership recruitment ever. Does the DRSG as a whole support this idiot's actions? And to think he said the one thing that he hated about someone in the VSC was that he thought they were power-mad. Oh, the irony!
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I'd like to point out comments on this forum remain those of the individuals who make them. You won't find any "point scoring" posts by a VSC director or the VSC.
The VSC have supported the black bank since before it was named as such; the trust organised the first fan panels, were involved in bringing all parties to the table to talk in the first place, and also recommended to the club they brought Mark Bradley on board to assist with fan engagement. We have always supported the idea of a singing section in the south stand, when others still wanted to organise it in the North West, and for anyone to suggest the VSC aren't behind the black bank would simply be untrue.
It's a pity then that there is chanting from the BB of "F the VSC" do the BB condone this if what BJW says is correct that the VSC has supported the BB from before it was named?
COYR
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I really don't get the "f**k the VSC" chants?
Why? Are some fans just getting themselves wound up about what may or may not get said on a forum? The VSC is not just about the forum FFS.
I thought Black Bank was supposed to go some way to uniting the fans, and the atmosphere is already better, but we never do things the easy way do we?
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Season tickets no excuse tonight .. everyone should be in the Black Bank.
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Not taking sides but there are some posters on this forum who do not help.
I am not suggesting they are directors of the vsc or indeed speak for the vsc.
Maybe because of some of the things said by certain long established posters some of the black bank crowd could think they represent the vsc.
Just a point.
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Season tickets no excuse tonight .. everyone should be in the Black Bank.
I'll be there. The lad on the drum is brilliant. I bet he cant hold his arms up the day after a game.
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Season tickets no excuse tonight .. everyone should be in the Black Bank.
I'll be there. The lad on the drum is brilliant. I bet he cant hold his arms up the day after a game.
Good lad Rob. Be aware though - there's a no pyro policy. Don't know if you've heard.
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I'm in there tonight I hope - and very much looking forward to being amongst it!
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Season tickets no excuse tonight .. everyone should be in the Black Bank.
I'll be there. The lad on the drum is brilliant. I bet he cant hold his arms up the day after a game.
Good lad Rob. Be aware though - there's a no pyro policy. Don't know if you've heard.
Do we know if there were any discovered due to the prematch searches at the last game?
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I doubt it seems there are various orifices in which they can be hidden. Always nice to get fondled by a local casual worker on your way into the stadium.
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I'll be there. I don't care about the DRSG and to be honest I don't really care about the VSC but I really enjoy being part of the black bank. Best thing to happy to the match day experience in years
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I'll be there. I don't care about the DRSG and to be honest I don't really care about the VSC but I really enjoy being part of the black bank. Best thing to happy to the match day experience in years
That's what football's all about.
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I'll be there. I don't care about the DRSG and to be honest I don't really care about the VSC but I really enjoy being part of the black bank. Best thing to happy to the match day experience in years
But that was the point of doing all of that. We needed to do something and therefore encouraging all groups to play their part was crucial to getting the BB to work.