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Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on February 19, 2022, 11:51:03 pmQuote from: Branton Red on February 19, 2022, 08:21:27 pmIt's £19bn actually comparing 2021 to 2019 or a fall of 11.1% in EU exports.Comparing 2021 non-EU exports with 2019 they have fallen £26bn or 14.0%.Clearly all exports have fallen significantly due to Covid but given the 11.1% v 14.0% comparison above please explain how you can possibly blame any of that £19bn fall on Brexit.Because UK goods are now much more expensive to EU customers, and they will now buy from cheaper suppliers inside the Single Market. It is that simple.I understand that concept Glyn. The question though is why have exports fallen to non-EU countries by a higher amount as they shouldn't be more expensive to the non-EU customers?
Quote from: Branton Red on February 19, 2022, 08:21:27 pmIt's £19bn actually comparing 2021 to 2019 or a fall of 11.1% in EU exports.Comparing 2021 non-EU exports with 2019 they have fallen £26bn or 14.0%.Clearly all exports have fallen significantly due to Covid but given the 11.1% v 14.0% comparison above please explain how you can possibly blame any of that £19bn fall on Brexit.Because UK goods are now much more expensive to EU customers, and they will now buy from cheaper suppliers inside the Single Market. It is that simple.
It's £19bn actually comparing 2021 to 2019 or a fall of 11.1% in EU exports.Comparing 2021 non-EU exports with 2019 they have fallen £26bn or 14.0%.Clearly all exports have fallen significantly due to Covid but given the 11.1% v 14.0% comparison above please explain how you can possibly blame any of that £19bn fall on Brexit.
Branton.Wilts gave a bit of a clue as to why our EU exports haven't fallen relative to our non-EU exports. We export a lot of North Sea oil and gas to the EU. Not so much to the rest of the world. Those exports have gone up markedly in value over the past year. I'm sure that doesn't account for the whole story, but it will be at not insignificant part.
Quote from: wilts rover on February 20, 2022, 01:29:38 pmYes thanks BrantonThese are the graphs from the ONS figures. As I said whilst exports have pretty much flatlined, what jumps out to me is the rise in Non-EU imports.Presumably thats a Brexit benefit?I agree Wilts. There has been a clear shift away from importing from the EU towards importing from outside the EU since the transition period. Yet we don't have a particularly different inflation rate compared to other countries. So I'm not sure if it's an economic benefit/cost or not? Probably not great for our carbon footprint mind.
Yes thanks BrantonThese are the graphs from the ONS figures. As I said whilst exports have pretty much flatlined, what jumps out to me is the rise in Non-EU imports.Presumably thats a Brexit benefit?
Here's an interesting graph on UK imports from a non-EU countryhttps://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/imports/russia#:~:text=United%20Kingdom%20Imports%20from%20Russia%20was%20US%2424.5%20Billion%20during,updated%20on%20February%20of%202022.&text=Base%20metals%20not%20specified%20elsewhere%2C%20cermets.
Quote from: SydneyRover on February 21, 2022, 09:26:51 pmHere's an interesting graph on UK imports from a non-EU countryhttps://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/imports/russia#:~:text=United%20Kingdom%20Imports%20from%20Russia%20was%20US%2424.5%20Billion%20during,updated%20on%20February%20of%202022.&text=Base%20metals%20not%20specified%20elsewhere%2C%20cermets.Here's another boring meaningless post from the Skip Rat!
negative impact ? ,a price (we all have top pay) worth paying ?, ' short term ? ( every year , year on year , to be be exact ) for what exactly. I can't see any 'sunny uplands from Donny.
Quote from: foxbat on February 23, 2022, 12:37:28 pmnegative impact ? ,a price (we all have top pay) worth paying ?, ' short term ? ( every year , year on year , to be be exact ) for what exactly. I can't see any 'sunny uplands from Donny.Just a little thing called democracy.
Quote from: Branton Red on February 23, 2022, 07:04:07 pmQuote from: foxbat on February 23, 2022, 12:37:28 pmnegative impact ? ,a price (we all have top pay) worth paying ?, ' short term ? ( every year , year on year , to be be exact ) for what exactly. I can't see any 'sunny uplands from Donny.Just a little thing called democracy.Which laws that we were forced to accept or stopped from passing by being in the EU particularly upset you?
Quote from: Branton Red on February 23, 2022, 07:04:07 pmQuote from: foxbat on February 23, 2022, 12:37:28 pmnegative impact ? ,a price (we all have top pay) worth paying ?, ' short term ? ( every year , year on year , to be be exact ) for what exactly. I can't see any 'sunny uplands from Donny.Just a little thing called democracy.What’s your view on giving Scotland a vote on independence?
Quote from: aidanstu on February 23, 2022, 07:44:43 pmQuote from: Branton Red on February 23, 2022, 07:04:07 pmQuote from: foxbat on February 23, 2022, 12:37:28 pmnegative impact ? ,a price (we all have top pay) worth paying ?, ' short term ? ( every year , year on year , to be be exact ) for what exactly. I can't see any 'sunny uplands from Donny.Just a little thing called democracy.What’s your view on giving Scotland a vote on independence?Democracy and the right to self-determination go hand in hand.
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