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Although 2 things may be in the thinking, hasn't it been reported that young people are less likely to suffer from the virus, and the amount of NHS staff you would lose out of the front line to look after kids at home. It's a hard balancing act. Glad I dont have to decide
Quote from: Ldr on March 18, 2020, 02:28:45 pmAlthough 2 things may be in the thinking, hasn't it been reported that young people are less likely to suffer from the virus, and the amount of NHS staff you would lose out of the front line to look after kids at home. It's a hard balancing act. Glad I dont have to decide It has.... I also can't see kids wanting to be penned in at home... or the parents wanting them under their feet all day and night either.
Quote from: River Don on March 18, 2020, 11:57:18 amQuote from: SydneyRover on March 18, 2020, 11:00:39 amThe Aus gov't is not closing schools saying that we would lose 1/3 of medical staff having to stay home to look after them and the possibility that grandparents would look after a lot of them and be at further risk.I think that is short sighted. Kids are potentially super spreaders, one gets infected goes to school for a week without symptoms and the majority have it. Then they go home in the evening and mum and dad get it.It is very short sighted. According to the Imperial College modelling, shutting schools and Universities is key to being able to contain the epidemics in each country to levels that the health services can deal with.
Quote from: SydneyRover on March 18, 2020, 11:00:39 amThe Aus gov't is not closing schools saying that we would lose 1/3 of medical staff having to stay home to look after them and the possibility that grandparents would look after a lot of them and be at further risk.I think that is short sighted. Kids are potentially super spreaders, one gets infected goes to school for a week without symptoms and the majority have it. Then they go home in the evening and mum and dad get it.
The Aus gov't is not closing schools saying that we would lose 1/3 of medical staff having to stay home to look after them and the possibility that grandparents would look after a lot of them and be at further risk.
Quote from: Metalmicky on March 18, 2020, 02:54:31 pmQuote from: Ldr on March 18, 2020, 02:28:45 pmAlthough 2 things may be in the thinking, hasn't it been reported that young people are less likely to suffer from the virus, and the amount of NHS staff you would lose out of the front line to look after kids at home. It's a hard balancing act. Glad I dont have to decide It has.... I also can't see kids wanting to be penned in at home... or the parents wanting them under their feet all day and night either. I usually find it isn't difficult keeping them in if they have digital devices. Getting them out into the fresh air can be more of a challenge.
Schools closed down for an indefinite period from Friday. Got to do it really. Our total number of deaths is exactly tracking where Italy was two weeks ago. Their rate of increase in deaths is just starting to slow down after 9 days of lock down. Hopefully ours will follow, but it's going to be bloody hard work.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 18, 2020, 05:52:21 pmSchools closed down for an indefinite period from Friday. Got to do it really. Our total number of deaths is exactly tracking where Italy was two weeks ago. Their rate of increase in deaths is just starting to slow down after 9 days of lock down. Hopefully ours will follow, but it's going to be bloody hard work.Italy have today recorded their largest death rate....
Another thing. Many asian countries seem to be now doing rigourous, on the spot testing at borders, while many Western countries have given up on testing the population at large.South Korean biotech firms are sending half a million testing kits to the west https://www.asiae.co.kr/article/2020031609341102857(in Korean, again, right click 'translate to english')Testing helps. It gives you information. Information you can act with, rather than reacting to the situation.When this all settles, another question our governments and health authorities will have to answer to is why there were such dramatic shortcomings in our testing systems.
Quote from: Copps is Magic on March 17, 2020, 12:26:42 pmAnother thing. Many asian countries seem to be now doing rigourous, on the spot testing at borders, while many Western countries have given up on testing the population at large.South Korean biotech firms are sending half a million testing kits to the west https://www.asiae.co.kr/article/2020031609341102857(in Korean, again, right click 'translate to english')Testing helps. It gives you information. Information you can act with, rather than reacting to the situation.When this all settles, another question our governments and health authorities will have to answer to is why there were such dramatic shortcomings in our testing systems.To add to what I said here, see this video. 86% of cases remain undiagnosed. If those cases are diagnosed (i.e. tested for) infection rates could be cut by 79%. Its as simple as that, we should have tested from the start and continued testing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AToF8O5T86s
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 18, 2020, 01:11:51 pmQuote from: River Don on March 18, 2020, 11:57:18 amQuote from: SydneyRover on March 18, 2020, 11:00:39 amThe Aus gov't is not closing schools saying that we would lose 1/3 of medical staff having to stay home to look after them and the possibility that grandparents would look after a lot of them and be at further risk.I think that is short sighted. Kids are potentially super spreaders, one gets infected goes to school for a week without symptoms and the majority have it. Then they go home in the evening and mum and dad get it.It is very short sighted. According to the Imperial College modelling, shutting schools and Universities is key to being able to contain the epidemics in each country to levels that the health services can deal with.It's all in the timing. Meanwhile, keeping the virus spreading in the wider world whilst keeping the vulnerable in isolation , ie those who would be using the critical health facilities, is the key here. Stopping the virus is not a viable plan.
Quote from: Dare to dream! on March 18, 2020, 05:59:44 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 18, 2020, 05:52:21 pmSchools closed down for an indefinite period from Friday. Got to do it really. Our total number of deaths is exactly tracking where Italy was two weeks ago. Their rate of increase in deaths is just starting to slow down after 9 days of lock down. Hopefully ours will follow, but it's going to be bloody hard work.Italy have today recorded their largest death rate....Agreed. Bu the rate at which the trend is increasing day by day has been slowing over the past week. That's the first indication of getting on top of it. 2 weeks ago, their number of new deaths per day was doubling every 2 days. This past week, the trend has been doubling about every 6-7 days.The number of new deaths will keep on increasing for another week or two. But the key thing is, how much it is increasing day on day. If it starts to stabilise at the same number of new deaths per day, it means that their measures have got the spread under control. For now, anyway, whilever the lockdown continues.
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on March 18, 2020, 03:42:52 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 18, 2020, 01:11:51 pmQuote from: River Don on March 18, 2020, 11:57:18 amQuote from: SydneyRover on March 18, 2020, 11:00:39 amThe Aus gov't is not closing schools saying that we would lose 1/3 of medical staff having to stay home to look after them and the possibility that grandparents would look after a lot of them and be at further risk.I think that is short sighted. Kids are potentially super spreaders, one gets infected goes to school for a week without symptoms and the majority have it. Then they go home in the evening and mum and dad get it.It is very short sighted. According to the Imperial College modelling, shutting schools and Universities is key to being able to contain the epidemics in each country to levels that the health services can deal with.It's all in the timing. Meanwhile, keeping the virus spreading in the wider world whilst keeping the vulnerable in isolation , ie those who would be using the critical health facilities, is the key here. Stopping the virus is not a viable plan.Madness. That was Johnson's original plan that he worked out on the back of a fag packet would cause 50000 premature deaths. Until Imperial College this week pointed out it would be nearer 250000 premature deaths. We are currently at a death rate higher than Italy at this stage in their outbreak. Stopping it is the ONLY viable plan or the NHS will be overwhelmed in days.South Korea stopped it by a massive testing programme. China have almost stopped it by testing and lockdown. Taiwan never let it get out of control by testing.
No new DOMESTIC cases in China today, if you believe it, but what is actually meant by DOMESTIC?
Sounds logical - more testing on a much wider scale shows where the spread is and identifies who has it, regardless of symptoms.We simply have to increase testing..As for the advice to do supermarket shopping online, that’s nigh on f**king impossible now. I’m tech savvy but it took ages to set up an account with Morrison’s (where we shop) and despite no delivery slots for weeks which is understandable, I can’t even register a payment method.!How the hell are less tech savvy older people, who have to self isolate, going to follow the advice if the system can’t cope with the demand.Perhaps the government should arrange for food parcels etc.?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 18, 2020, 06:06:15 pmQuote from: Dare to dream! on March 18, 2020, 05:59:44 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 18, 2020, 05:52:21 pmSchools closed down for an indefinite period from Friday. Got to do it really. Our total number of deaths is exactly tracking where Italy was two weeks ago. Their rate of increase in deaths is just starting to slow down after 9 days of lock down. Hopefully ours will follow, but it's going to be bloody hard work.Italy have today recorded their largest death rate....Agreed. Bu the rate at which the trend is increasing day by day has been slowing over the past week. That's the first indication of getting on top of it. 2 weeks ago, their number of new deaths per day was doubling every 2 days. This past week, the trend has been doubling about every 6-7 days.The number of new deaths will keep on increasing for another week or two. But the key thing is, how much it is increasing day on day. If it starts to stabilise at the same number of new deaths per day, it means that their measures have got the spread under control. For now, anyway, whilever the lockdown continues. On this topic, there is some dreadful reporting by the BBC. Leading headline talking about Italy's number of new dead "soaring again" but not a word about the real story - that they appear to be getting the rise under control.The BBC is supposed to "inform, educate and entertain".Reporting like that does none of those things. It misleads by sensationalising.