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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: nortikorner on April 26, 2017, 01:26:20 pm
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Banned for 18 Months for Betting from all Football
To Harsh in my Opinion
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http://news.sky.com/story/joey-barton-banned-from-football-for-18-months-over-betting-10851641
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They have gone to town on him there haven't they....No consistency yet again...
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As ch of a t**t he is, he makes some valid points in his statement regarding the relationship between football and betting companies
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There are precedents of bans of this scale already. Rob Heys at Accrington got 21 months, and Nick Bunyard at Frome got a 3 year ban. Both, like Barton, bet on their own team to lose.
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The blokes an idiot but his statement makes perfect sense to me. It's a harsh verdict.
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There are precedents of bans of this scale already. Rob Heys at Accrington got 21 months, and Nick Bunyard at Frome got a 3 year ban. Both, like Barton, bet on their own team to lose.
Neither were players, they were involved at management level and could have instructed players to influence the outcome of games. When Barton placed bets on his team to lose he was not involved in the matchday squad in any way
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There are precedents of bans of this scale already. Rob Heys at Accrington got 21 months, and Nick Bunyard at Frome got a 3 year ban. Both, like Barton, bet on their own team to lose.
I'm unsure of the others, however Barton was betting on his side to lose in games he wasn't involved with. Of course, that is still unacceptable but I cannot justify The FA's judgement that Barton's actions are worthy of considerably harsher action than racial abuse (Terry, Suarez), violent conduct, kicking a supporter (Cantona) and numerous drug offences.
The FA, and football in general, is far too cosy with the betting industry. Barton has said himself that he has struggled with gambling addiction. The sensible, fair and most productive course of action would be for The FA to assist him in beating the addiction. A lengthy ban which effectively ensures he loses his job is utterly inappropriate.
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If the betting ban is for placing bets on is own team things dont had up 46 game per year time 10 years equals 460 games . He charged with 1270 bets over a ten years period ???
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I know he wasn't in the squad for the ones he bet against, but you'd be hard pushed to say he didn't have insider knowledge when placing his bets.
And there should be some focus here on the ones where he bet on team-mates not to score. There's a case to answer of spot-fixing there.
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I've also read his statement, and he comes across as a very intelligent and articulate man, also admitting he is aware he has personallity problems.
He makes some very valid points in his own defence, and as Filo states above, the point he makes about the relationship between football and the betting companies stinks of double standards.
Yes, we all know he is a detestable tw*t on the pitch, but I agree with mushRTID, it's a harsh verdict, and will probably end his career.
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That's his calling card isn't it - the articulate and measured explanation after whichever law or rule it is he's broken this time.
If he is forced to retire the game will be better off without him.
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That's his calling card isn't it - the articulate and measured explanation after whichever law or rule it is he's broken this time.
If he is forced to retire the game will be better off without him.
Lol! 😀
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That's his calling card isn't it - the articulate and measured explanation after whichever law or rule it is he's broken this time.
If he is forced to retire the game will be better off without him.
This highlights a fundamental problem. People are not interested in the wider issues or the disproportionate punishment simply because they don't like Joey Barton.
I imagine people would have very different views if their favourite player - let's say James Coppinger - was given the same treatment.
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if i was Ray Winstone I'd be very afraid - given the morals of the betting industry I think we'll be seeing a new face for in-game betting promotions in the very near future...
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That's his calling card isn't it - the articulate and measured explanation after whichever law or rule it is he's broken this time.
If he is forced to retire the game will be better off without him.
This highlights a fundamental problem. People are not interested in the wider issues or the disproportionate punishment simply because they don't like Joey Barton.
I imagine people would have very different views if their favourite player - let's say James Coppinger - was given the same treatment.
Spot fixers in India were sent to jail. You could argue Barton has gotten off lightly.
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Over 1200 football bets in 10 years, (probably) all against the rules, which he would have known?
Why the hell didn't he get help sooner???
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I do not like Barton much - I also do not understand the merits of this case BUT he has in the past upset the FA and maybe they are just giving him some back because of his antecedents I am not saying this is the case but as people on here state it is a bit harsh. Not that it will matter but can he appeal?
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His statement says he is appealing.
15,000 bets averaging £150 a stake - £2.25m wasted on gambling. Madness.
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Barton's punishment is neither disproportionate nor harsh:
Andros Townsend; "several" bets = four months
The Accrington v Bury cadre; one game = 5/6/8/10 months apiece
Michael Moffat; six games = one week per game
Cameron Jerome; repeated infractions = £50,000.00 fine
Dan Gosling; repeated infractions = £30,000.00 fine
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That's his calling card isn't it - the articulate and measured explanation after whichever law or rule it is he's broken this time.
If he is forced to retire the game will be better off without him.
This highlights a fundamental problem. People are not interested in the wider issues or the disproportionate punishment simply because they don't like Joey Barton.
I imagine people would have very different views if their favourite player - let's say James Coppinger - was given the same treatment.
Spot fixers in India were sent to jail. You could argue Barton has gotten off lightly.
Barton hasn't been found guilty of spot-fixing.
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If you bet against your own team-mate to score, that strikes me as pretty close to spot fixing. Particularly when you take set-pieces in the offensive third.
Equally, if you bet on yourself to score first, are you going to make the pass or take the shot yourself.
For me, focusing on just on the games he didn't play in misses the fundamental issue here.
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He should get a life ban just for being Joey sodding Barton lol
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If you bet against your own team-mate to score, that strikes me as pretty close to spot fixing. Particularly when you take set-pieces in the offensive third.
Equally, if you bet on yourself to score first, are you going to make the pass or take the shot yourself.
For me, focusing on just on the games he didn't play in misses the fundamental issue here.
Barton has said that the ban isn't in relation to match fixing.
So, have you any evidence that he did actually bet on himself to score first or bet against his own team mate to score?
Is he guilty of the offence or proven not to be innocent of it?
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If you bet against your own team-mate to score, that strikes me as pretty close to spot fixing. Particularly when you take set-pieces in the offensive third.
Equally, if you bet on yourself to score first, are you going to make the pass or take the shot yourself.
For me, focusing on just on the games he didn't play in misses the fundamental issue here.
Barton has said that the ban isn't in relation to match fixing.
So, have you any evidence that he did actually bet on himself to score first or bet against his own team mate to score?
Is he guilty of the offence or proven not to be innocent of it?
Match fixing and spot fixing are technically different and one is much easier to do than the other. (Not that I am saying he's guilty of either by the way, he seems to have stated and it be accepted that any bet involving his team was only placed when he wasn't involved)
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If you bet against your own team-mate to score, that strikes me as pretty close to spot fixing. Particularly when you take set-pieces in the offensive third.
Equally, if you bet on yourself to score first, are you going to make the pass or take the shot yourself.
For me, focusing on just on the games he didn't play in misses the fundamental issue here.
Barton has said that the ban isn't in relation to match fixing.
So, have you any evidence that he did actually bet on himself to score first or bet against his own team mate to score?
Is he guilty of the offence or proven not to be innocent of it?
Yes, I have evidence.
http://joeybarton.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/My-bets-backing-my-team.jpg
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Were these games in which he played?
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Were these games in which he played?
Personally, I don't rate his intelligence, but even I wouldn't expect him to bet on himself to score in a game he wasn't playing in.
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Smart arse, did he play in a game in which he bet against his team mate to score.
Of course i didn't suggest he would bet on himself to score first in a game he did't play in.
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Smart arse, did he play in a game in which he bet against his team mate to score.
Of course i didn't suggest he would bet on himself to score first in a game he did't play in.
It's the same game. Man City Fulham.
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Did Barton play?
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It's in the rules. If you are a professional footballer, you can't place bets on football matches.
His account was on Betfair. If you go on their site, there are literally dozens of sports, other than football, with hundreds of matches/races you can bet on every day.
Basically he gambled his career and lost. Tough tit, idiot.
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Yes, he played.
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I know that and i agree that he was wrong, as he admits himself.
He clearly says though that he didnt bet on matches that he played in and that match fixing is not the issue.
I was just pointing it out.
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I know that and i agree that he was wrong, as he admits himself.
He clearly says though that he didnt bet on matches that he played in and that match fixing is not the issue.
I was just pointing it out.
But he did play in games that he bet on - look on the link, there are 3 games/5 bets where he was in the starting 11.
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He states he didn't bet against his team in matches he played in. Hence no accusations of match fixing.
He did bet against his own team mate in a game he played in though. Hence the question about spot-fixing
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Yes, he played.
In that case his statement is wrong, thank you Jenny, that is all i wanted to know.
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Yes, he played.
In that case his statement is wrong, thank you Jenny, that is all i wanted to know.
His statement doesn't say what you think it says.
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Yes, he played.
In that case his statement is wrong, thank you Jenny, that is all i wanted to know.
His statement doesn't say what you think it says.
"To be clear from the outset here this is not match fixing and at no point in any of this is my integrity in question".
What have i misunderstood?
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Match fixing would suggest he bet against his team to lose and played a part in them doing so. That never happened.
Spot fixing would suggest he bet on specific things to happen or not happen, but that would not necessarily determine the outcome of the match. He bet on himself to score first and his team-mate not to score first.
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Why as it taken 10 years for it to come to the FA attention where is the PFA in this matter surely they have a duty of care for there member
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Banned for 18 Months for Betting from all Football
To Harsh in my Opinion
What !!! Harsh it should have life the pathetic cretin !!
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Well, not really.
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The FA said the will fine Barton £30,000 > if I was Barton I refuse to pay the £30,000 and tell the FA to take it out of my nose.
The FA havd ended Barton's playing days by taking himself footballing legs away from him with the 18 month playing ban. > they should give Barton a final SCARBORO warning and if he fails then take his playing days away > but in turn work to learn with him on how to help players behind him .
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I wonder if he had a bet on Manchester City winning the Premiership when he got sent off
whilst playing against them for QPR in that last game of the season ?
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Suerly that one is far too obvious foxbat ,but it's food for thought fella.
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They were about the amount of money put into the game by bookies on talksport this afternoon; and the level of advertising now commonplace at half time, pre match etc. They surmised that they put too much money into the game for them to be removed, in the same way as tobacco advertising was.
Says it all really when they accept that there needs to be high levels of money in the game for it to be successful.
There is way too much money in football, thats why its like it is.
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I've said for years gambling advertising will go the way of tobacco advertising.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/26/joey-barton-banned-football-18-months-betting-burnley
Five matches included him as player, according to the Guardian.
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The FA said the will fine Barton £30,000 > if I was Barton I refuse to pay the £30,000 and tell the FA to take it out of my nose.
The FA havd ended Barton's playing days by taking himself footballing legs away from him with the 18 month playing ban. > they should give Barton a final SCARBORO warning and if he fails then take his playing days away > but in turn work to learn with him on how to help players behind him .
Could we sign him when go up into the Championship he will be out of his ban. Let's face it he's a popular player never out of the head lines , I can see him and DF having a post match interview. Lol
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They went easy on him:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39738553
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They went easy on him:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39738553
Sorry reading this it seems he as been set up by BETFAIR
Spreadsheet from 2006 to May 2016 then report him in September 2016
why ???? if breaking the rules he did it in 2006 then BETFAIR should have reported him