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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: selby on May 28, 2021, 04:58:03 pm
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Having a good week, good news over the flat.
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TBF - he's not been totally completely cleared.... although I did think it was unfair that he was hung, drawn and quartered by some folk before any inquiry had been carried out.
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Having a good week, good news over the flat.
Unfortunately cults are like this Selby and those on the outside are powerless .
However history tends to have the final word .
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/19/17246732/waco-tragedy-explained-david-koresh-mount-carmel-branch-davidian-cult-25-year-anniversary
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From the lady who brought you - he always wanted to be Prime Minister and he always wanted to have been Prime Minister, its the bit in the middle he struggles with - the brillianr Marina Hyde we now have:
A dangerous cult now runs Britain – the worshippers at the Temple of Johnson
No matter what the prime minister does, no matter the consequences, his devotees line up to heatedly excuse it.
The great puzzle is that so many of the people who talked about “the Corbyn cult” are so reluctant to face up to the fact of the Johnson cult. In many ways, Johnson is the much more classic cult leader. His decisions have led to the deaths of large numbers of people, and he’s got a lot of women pregnant.
If only people who rightly identified the unpleasant and weirdo tendency to excuse absolutely anything at all where Jezza was concerned could be man enough to see it on so much larger a scale where Bozza is concerned. He is, after all, the actual prime minister. And for well over a year, many – not just Cummings – have pointed in remorseless and verifiable detail to his abysmal decisions or indecisions, which have led to tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, far deeper-than-necessary economic damage and longer loss of freedoms. To say nothing of his having an approach to funding holidays and interior decoration that would not seem out of place in a TV evangelist.
But let’s return to first principles on this whole cult business. The thing about cult leaders, typically, is that they’re charismatic, male and able to persuade people of the wisdom of things very much not in their best interests. There is simply no moral failing of theirs that could be placed in front of their followers that would not cause those same followers to passionately excuse it or love them more for it. Faulty prophecies, missing funds, being present but not involved at the laying of a wreath to Black September, notching up one of the world’s worst death tolls and persistently dithering to the point of alleged manslaughter – all this is bad shit to outsiders, but simply makes the cultists cleave ever closer to their dear leaders.
and there is more, much more, in the full article here (although she doesn't mention Selby by name, more's the pity):
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/28/cult-britain-boris-johnson-prime-minister
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Bloody hell Wilts I only said he had had a good week.
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Well, we have all done it.
Spend £200k on decorations, without knowing how we were going to pay, because we are hard up.
Then a pal steps up and pays the reckoning, no questions asked.
LOL....could happen to anyone!
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And then cleared by someone he employed last month to investigate...
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I wonder if they've got the wallpaper to stay up yet? Apparently it's so heavy, made with traditional techniques and all that gold it Keeps peeling off.
I'm amazed really the press haven't yet got pictures off the apartment. Judging by the expensive colourful fabrics that have been used, it must look like a Turkish harem.
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What's the point in an inquiry? If he's found not guilty it will only be judged as a cover-up by those with an anti-Tory agenda. Why not have a neutral judge like you, Billy, eh? :laugh:
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He’s at very best extremely sloppy the way he goes about his business. That alone should be enough for people to think he’s a woeful leader of the country. Not these days though, the electorate appear to have zero standards.
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I think there's a fairly reasonable explanation why nobody can land a solid punch on Johnson and his corrupt government .
There's enough people who are doing alright thank you very much so who cares what Johnson does or doesn't do .
Whilst ever there are more than enough doing alright as opposed to those who aren't then PM's and governments are practically bullet proof .
I could never understand why the country repeatedly voted for Thatcher in the 80's , drove me crazy as an NUM man .
It wasn't until I was older I realised that she made sure enough people did very well out of her .
Why would Essex man care about my job prospects and community in South Yorkshire ? .
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Geidt is now odds on to run the covid inquiry, you can't even get a bet on a ladbrokes, apparently.
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Selby obviously has nothing better to do with his free time than try and wind people up on the off topic section for kicks.
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Selby obviously has nothing better to do with his free time than try and wind people up on the off topic section for kicks.
Maybe as a non tribal voter he sees the current Labour Party for what it is which goes against the grain on here .
Maybe he's sees just as many black hats on the Labour Party as the Tories and he'd be right too .
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If ever a video captured the current situation within the Labour Party perfectly then it's contained in the link .
Worth less than 20 minutes of your time .
https://youtu.be/Jwl_xqgwf-c
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Selby obviously has nothing better to do with his free time than try and wind people up on the off topic section for kicks.
Maybe as a non tribal voter he sees the current Labour Party for what it is which goes against the grain on here .
Maybe he's sees just as many black hats on the Labour Party as the Tories and he'd be right too .
The two things aren't mutually exclusive. I'd put money on him doing it for the windup though.
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Selby obviously has nothing better to do with his free time than try and wind people up on the off topic section for kicks.
Maybe as a non tribal voter he sees the current Labour Party for what it is which goes against the grain on here .
Maybe he's sees just as many black hats on the Labour Party as the Tories and he'd be right too .
The two things aren't mutually exclusive. I'd put money on him doing it for the windup though.
I'll bet he doesn't spout off when he's out and about in Askern.
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Selby obviously has nothing better to do with his free time than try and wind people up on the off topic section for kicks.
Maybe as a non tribal voter he sees the current Labour Party for what it is which goes against the grain on here .
Maybe he's sees just as many black hats on the Labour Party as the Tories and he'd be right too .
The two things aren't mutually exclusive. I'd put money on him doing it for the windup though.
I'll bet he doesn't spout off when he's out and about in Askern.
church mouse at home too I'd reckon
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Might be having a good week but he's still a tw*t
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Something been bugging me about this "I didn't know where the money for the flat revamp came from and I never bothered asking the question."
Apart from the obvious fact that is utter b*llocks of course.
I'm MD of a small company. If we ran up a debt of £100k+ and then it miraculously vanished, and I and my company secretary didn't bother asking where that money had come from and we filed accounts on that basis, we would be breaking the law and HMRC would quite rightly have our balls on a plate.
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I think there's a fairly reasonable explanation why nobody can land a solid punch on Johnson and his corrupt government .
There's enough people who are doing alright thank you very much so who cares what Johnson does or doesn't do .
Whilst ever there are more than enough doing alright as opposed to those who aren't then PM's and governments are practically bullet proof .
I could never understand why the country repeatedly voted for Thatcher in the 80's , drove me crazy as an NUM man .
It wasn't until I was older I realised that she made sure enough people did very well out of her .
Why would Essex man care about my job prospects and community in South Yorkshire ? .
So how does that fit in with ditching Starmer and putting another leftwing leader in?
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Tyke, you get it, with the house prices going up,builders doing that well there are shortages of materials, and an average price of a house over a quarter of a million, and billions of savings being banked during lock down, How many punters are going to think of themselves being labour supporters.
The Tory party have been working for years to get enough of the population into a position that it cannot afford to think of themselves as the labour supporters thought of themselves in the past.
The main talking point is now when can we get away for our summer holiday and will we be able to have that winter break for the majority, and to keep power, what it is all about all they have to do is keep that majority sweet.
And do this majority give a damn about the areas of deprivation, do they hell, the latest fad being to move away from the cities into the country, even have a second home to add to their two or three foreign holidays and weekends away in Europe, a bar in the back garden and a hot tub on the patio, how many do you know who aspire or are already in that position in your used to be local pit villages, do they think labour like their forbears, do they hell in many cases and they do not want it to go back to how it was.
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There's a worldwide shortage of building materials selby, there's a pandemic on
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That's right selby, the Tory party have been working for years to turn a small percentage of the population into greedy, uncaring supporters, with no empathy or sympathy for anyone other than themselves. Just distain. They don't want everyone to have those things - just themselves.
3 million small businesses have been left without support during the pandemic, they aren't doing the house up - they are flogging off the furniture.
Around 75% of people owned their own homes under Labour. Now its about 65% - and more difficult to get on the ladder.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/uk-home-ownership-falls-more-eu-country-france-poland-property-market-a8501836.html
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/feb/10/home-ownership-ons-rent
You are describing about 25-30% of population there - who have fallen for the Tory propoganda b*llocks - its the Labour Party's job to energise the remaining 75% to have equal opportunities with them.
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The biggest issue as far as I’m concerned is what the role of PM has become, or is at least perceived to be. It’s not a presidential position, it’s not a position that requires charisma or bravado. They are there to oversee the running of an administration, to make sure things operate with honesty and integrity and ensure the public funds are best deployed. It should be a boring job for a serious, well meaning operator with the best intentions at heart. It’s somehow been turned into a freak show where anyone with any integrity has no chance in succeeding because the public are now that used to being fed bullshit they think “boring” is bad!
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Gaz.
Nail. Head.
Johnson is the PM that a celebrity addled culture deserves.
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Tyke, you get it, with the house prices going up,builders doing that well there are shortages of materials, and an average price of a house over a quarter of a million, and billions of savings being banked during lock down, How many punters are going to think of themselves being labour supporters.
The Tory party have been working for years to get enough of the population into a position that it cannot afford to think of themselves as the labour supporters thought of themselves in the past.
The main talking point is now when can we get away for our summer holiday and will we be able to have that winter break for the majority, and to keep power, what it is all about all they have to do is keep that majority sweet.
And do this majority give a damn about the areas of deprivation, do they hell, the latest fad being to move away from the cities into the country, even have a second home to add to their two or three foreign holidays and weekends away in Europe, a bar in the back garden and a hot tub on the patio, how many do you know who aspire or are already in that position in your used to be local pit villages, do they think labour like their forbears, do they hell in many cases and they do not want it to go back to how it was.
Good points made here.
It does feel a bit like the late 1980s when a lot of people felt that they were in a good place and why should they care about anyone else. After all what could possibly go wrong?
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Rumours of a wedding, again, Carrie has already made the best decision, if you want a friend get a dog.
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Hows your dog Syd? has it had to go for therapy yet?
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Carrie wanted dilyn as it was less likely to shit on their own doorstep, selby
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Tyke, you get it, with the house prices going up,builders doing that well there are shortages of materials, and an average price of a house over a quarter of a million, and billions of savings being banked during lock down, How many punters are going to think of themselves being labour supporters.
The Tory party have been working for years to get enough of the population into a position that it cannot afford to think of themselves as the labour supporters thought of themselves in the past.
The main talking point is now when can we get away for our summer holiday and will we be able to have that winter break for the majority, and to keep power, what it is all about all they have to do is keep that majority sweet.
And do this majority give a damn about the areas of deprivation, do they hell, the latest fad being to move away from the cities into the country, even have a second home to add to their two or three foreign holidays and weekends away in Europe, a bar in the back garden and a hot tub on the patio, how many do you know who aspire or are already in that position in your used to be local pit villages, do they think labour like their forbears, do they hell in many cases and they do not want it to go back to how it was.
Good points made here.
It does feel a bit like the late 1980s when a lot of people felt that they were in a good place and why should they care about anyone else. After all what could possibly go wrong?
And nowt did go wrong for working class Thatcher voters in the south especially .
They simply swapped the Tories for Blair when house prices fell or stagnated in the 90's who embraced much of the Thatcher vision , free market , wealth through home ownership and globalisation .
Even when the Tories came back to power in 2010 austerity only hit the poorest in society .
The truth is , one of the country's most popular sports is for those who are doing alright will continue to stand on the hands of those one or two rungs beneath them on the ladder .
They aren't too keen on them getting summat for nowt either although they don't have a problem with the wealthy and tax evasion .
I hear this all the time at work , an area between Barnsley and Huddersfield with far higher house prices than the average for this area of Yorkshire .
I asked a question a few weeks back to a number of lads during break time .
Would you be prepared to pay an NHS tax and improve the health system ?
" nar came the reply , why should I fund better healthcare for the benefit scroungers who pay nowt "
Fairly convinced they'd sooner pay for massively more expensive private healthcare for themselves than a few quid extra in tax to benefit everyone .
That's unfortunately what the country has become , far from everyone but enough to ensure nothing much will change either .
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Divorcee times over allowed to marry in Catholic church shock
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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/police-discover-5m-in-cash-in-london-flat-after-gang-didnt-know-what-to-do-with-it-12319861
Surely if they didn't ask any questions about where the money came from, they can't be held responsible for it?
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I didn’t read the bit about where they said they didn’t know where the money had come from BST.
Have you missed posting that part of the link.
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Hound.
I was postulating an obvious defence. Apologies if I didn't make that clear but I thought it was obvious.
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''Bears cleared of ‘shitting in the woods’ says watchdog''
https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2021/03/31/bears-cleared-of-shitting-in-the-woods-says-panel/
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Hound.
I was postulating an obvious defence. Apologies if I didn't make that clear but I thought it was obvious.
I thought it was just another sarcastic anti government post.
Apologies if it wasn’t obvious to you.
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Tyke, you make some good points.
And I agree that there are many at the moment who see little value in being asked to cough up for parts of the system that they (may) never use.
However, at some point a majority of the electorate will conclude that, where previously there was nothing wrong, something is wrong.
Call it the electoral cycle, governments going stale, running out of ideas, whatever but this is how it always plays out in the UK. It may be 10 years, it may be 20 years but at some stage it will happen.
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First images of the wedding......
(https://newscolony.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/twitter-wags-reckon-boris-johnson-and-carrie-look-like-aunt-sally-and-worzel-gummidge.jpg)
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Tyke, you make some good points.
And I agree that there are many at the moment who see little value in being asked to cough up for parts of the system that they (may) never use.
However, at some point a majority of the electorate will conclude that, where previously there was nothing wrong, something is wrong.
Call it the electoral cycle, governments going stale, running out of ideas, whatever but this is how it always plays out in the UK. It may be 10 years, it may be 20 years but at some stage it will happen.
I wish I could share your positive spin even though it's 10 years away .
Unfortunately big business has such a grip on society including the political scene its difficult to see anything changing anytime soon .
I actually don't think change will come through the ballot box , the system is pretty much rigged in any case .
I only see one way of creating a fairer society that works for everyone .
Unfortunately it won't be pleasant if it did come that is .
They often say it couldn't ever happen here , I'm not so sure myself .
It's a fine balance creating just enough winners than losers , events kick in , as we are experiencing right now .
They aren't always going to get that favourable balance quite right .
You can only print so much money after all .
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anyone we know perchance?
''His ankles secured with heavy, locked iron fetters, the enslaved man appears to have been thrown in a ditch – a final act of indignity in death''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/07/shackled-skeleton-identified-rare-evidence-roman-britain
''He vowed not to go back to Brussels to request a delay to Brexit beyond 31 October, despite the likelihood of him being obliged to do so by parliament, via a bill expected to pass the House of Lords on Friday. “I’d rather be dead in a ditch,” he said''
https://www.google.com/search?q=did+johnson+extend+brexit&rlz=1C1CHBF_enAU883AU883&oq=did+johnson+extend+brexit&aqs=chrome..69i57.11456j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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That is the most interesting article I have ever read in the Guardian links posted on here. Just below it is another piece about a Roman settlement which has been uncovered just south of Scarborough.
Keepmoat Homes had begun to dig out for a new site and came across this new very important discovery.
Not too far away to go and visit when the public are allowed in.
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Michael Gove, eh
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''Boris Johnson offered to pay for help writing Shakespeare biography, says scholar''
Why wold he bother, he's always rewriting history to cover his arse?
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/02/boris-johnson-offered-to-pay-for-help-writing-shakespeare-biography-says-scholar
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''Johnson and Patel accused of hypocrisy over racist abuse of England footballers
PM and home secretary criticised despite condemning racism aimed at players after match''
Johnson and many on his government are racists, no ifs or buts, they have shown over the years that they support racist policies have stoked the fires of the culture wars allowed the police to operate racist programs and then when it all blows up they have the temerity to condemn those they have given licence to.
Full praise for all those that condemn racism and those that propagate it, you are right they are not England fans and no you are not wanted ........... period.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/12/tory-mp-sorry-jibe-marcus-rashford-euros-penalty-miss
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Meanwhile, the lack of self awareness here is stunning.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57807264
Telling Rashford he should concentrate on his day job and not get involved in campaigning.
Just a thought. If this MP concentrated on HER day job and made sure the poorest kids had been looked after in the pandemic, maybe Rashford wouldn't have had to get involved?
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This is the MP who got her (now ex-) husband's job when he was sent to prison for groping and molesting some poor young woman:
During his trial the court heard how Elphicke groped one of his accusers, chased her around his house, and sang "I'm a naughty Tory, I'm a naughty Tory.
The Tory party's reservoir of 'talent' knows no bounds!
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''Boris Johnson is to promise the government will not make the "rich parts" of the UK poorer as it pursues its "levelling up" programme.
''In a speech on Thursday, the prime minister will say plans to invest more in deprived areas and improve skills are not a "jam-spreading exercise".
He will also pledge to improve services and boost community pride after fuller plans are laid out this autumn''
johnson the magician, he's been playing with his wand too much. maybe you can get him to do a show with you vicar?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-57844084
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No inquiry into russian interference in UK politics, no inquiry into how the government handled covid ................. very predictable
''Homes raided in inquiry into Matt Hancock CCTV leak
Published7 hours ago''
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-57853164
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In some ways, you really have to admire the sheer f**king cheek.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57860969
Johnson ignores reports on ethics and standards from senior civil servants and gives them no option but to resign.
Then he appoints an old mate who used to smash up restaurants with him to be the ethics watchdog.
Does anyone give a f**k anymore?
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Clearly not. So stop wasting everyone’s time.
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Well that was a quick u turn today about isolating- I’m sure he will use this to either turn round with masks or bring forward the not needing to isolate if double jabbed
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Cummings
"The situation we found ourselves in is that, within days... the prime minister's girlfriend is trying to get rid of us and appoint complete clowns to certain key jobs."
hmmmmm
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It means nothing thou unless he has evidence and shows it,he also called starmer and dud and that labour have no message whatsoever so I presume he is right on that to
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''Boris Johnson has faced calls to apologise for saying people dying from Covid were "essentially all over 80", in a text leaked by Dominic Cummings.
The prime minister did not deny making the comments, in October last year, as he argued against a second lockdown.
But he told Prime Minister's Questions the government was making "incredibly tough balancing decisions" at the time''
Doesn't look like you'll get a personal apology bb
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''Boris Johnson has faced calls to apologise for saying people dying from Covid were "essentially all over 80", in a text leaked by Dominic Cummings.
The prime minister did not deny making the comments, in October last year, as he argued against a second lockdown.
But he told Prime Minister's Questions the government was making "incredibly tough balancing decisions" at the time''
Doesn't look like you'll get a personal apology bb
Have you asked for a personal apology bpool?
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Dawn Butler thrown out of parliament for calling out johnson for being a liar ............. apparently convention states that this is not the done thing .............. johnson himself is such a stickler for convention too .................
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Strange, the conventions in Parliament. You can, it appears, lie with impunity from the Dispatch Box as Johnson has proved on numerous occasions. But if you point out that happening you get hoyed out.
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It's like a scene from Blackadder ..................
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And speaking of blackadder ................... or baldrick at least ........
Funny how we are hearing from a lot of people that don't live in the country or even hold a passport afaik aye, how can they have so much say and control over what a sovereign country does?
''Brexit: Von der Leyen rejects Boris Johnson bid to renegotiate Irish protocol''
aw shucks! looks like we can't find a link to reality here
Sebastian Fischer
''A #Brexit reminder:
''The Northern Ireland Protocol was negotiated by the Flag of United Kingdom government. It was signed by the Flag of United Kingdom government. It was ratified by the Flag of United Kingdom Parliament. Its consequences were known.
Is it too much to expect the Flag of United Kingdom to stand by what it has negotiated, signed and ratified?''
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Posted previously but always worth reminding yourself of the actual facts.
The video of Johnson's lies to Parliament, and the country, that Dawn Butler was reading from when she was expelled from Parliament:
https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1417524808141639682
Expect a few more of the 'We got Brexit Done' and 'Our Great Brexit Deal' ones to be added to it soon once the Brexit negotiations and arguments start up again now 'We didn't know what we were signing up to'!
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It may be better to draw a line under this week and hope the government does it's homework over the summer.
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Posted previously but always worth reminding yourself of the actual facts.
The video of Johnson's lies to Parliament, and the country, that Dawn Butler was reading from when she was expelled from Parliament:
https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1417524808141639682
Expect a few more of the 'We got Brexit Done' and 'Our Great Brexit Deal' ones to be added to it soon once the Brexit negotiations and arguments start up again now 'We didn't know what we were signing up to'!
I’m sure you could make a clip such as this regarding almost all MP’s.
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I feel sort of sorry ..... not, for these MPs whom don't appear to have the right contacts to ensure that they get a better personal outcome from an inquiry, after all what is the point in having power in government if you cannot use it to protect yourself from scrutiny.
''The one-day ban from parliament was handed down by the standards committee to backbenchers Sir Roger Gale, Theresa Villiers and Natalie Elphicke – the then partner of Charlie Elphicke, who was given two years in prison after being found guilty of three counts of sexual assault.
Two other Tory MPs – Adam Holloway and Bob Stewart – were ordered to make a statement apologising for their behaviour in the chamber, with all five found to have threatened to undermine public trust in the independence of the judicial system''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/21/tory-mps-suspended-for-trying-to-influence-judge-in-elphicke-case
It must severely irk them as they see their leader and others being absolved time after time for various reasons.
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Just for balance there’s been plenty of Labour MP’s suspended from parliament over the years also.
Moyle, vaz, skinner etc
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Just for balance there’s been plenty of Labour MP’s suspended from parliament over the years also.
Moyle, vaz, skinner etc
You do realise you are helping me make my point here dickos
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Your point was the prime minister should be suspended in a similar way to other MPs who have been suspended.
But you only used Tory MPs in your examples to make your point
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Your point was the prime minister should be suspended in a similar way to other MPs who have been suspended.
But you only used Tory MPs in your examples to make your point
But the crux of the matter is that johnson and his cronies are avoiding adverse findings due to appointing their own refs and lowly back benchers and others (labour) are not in that same privileged position ..................
ferinstance Mat-le-Cock not having his private emails opened up to scrutiny and ..............
''Gordon Brown decries Greensill inquiry as unsatisfactory
Former PM’s criticism comes after Jeremy Heywood’s widow says review scapegoated her husband''
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/23/jeremy-heywood-widow-calls-greensill-inquiry-travesty
It's nice of you to try and fill the void as others have fallen by the wayside but please bring a few facts with you when you drop in, it makes for a better conversation dickos
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Sydney, my post was factual,
You are funny, you seem to be able to bring the tories into every single topic and post you make, regardless of the original topic.
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I know, it was probably cos my original post was about them dickos.
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Love this one.......... terrorgraph announces PMs new crime crackdown (not to be confused with his normal position of crack-up) a named police officer for every victim ............... police are also to be issued with whistles and a crim app that informs coppers if they have been in close proximity to a criminal.
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ring ring ..... ing ring ...... this is emergency what service do you require .................. police please ............ putting you through now ............... hello this is the police, can I get your name please? .............. can I get yours? ............. I asked first ......... please give me your name .......... not till you tell me ....................
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You do realise that you’re just talking to yourself don’t you!
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You do realise that you’re just talking to yourself don’t you!
knock knock ................... knockers, if you disagree with anything just say so, or maybe you agree, you don't seem to call those out propping up a corrupt regime knockers?
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Posted previously but always worth reminding yourself of the actual facts.
The video of Johnson's lies to Parliament, and the country, that Dawn Butler was reading from when she was expelled from Parliament:
https://twitter.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1417524808141639682
Expect a few more of the 'We got Brexit Done' and 'Our Great Brexit Deal' ones to be added to it soon once the Brexit negotiations and arguments start up again now 'We didn't know what we were signing up to'!
I’m sure you could make a clip such as this regarding almost all MP’s.
Nobody's stopping you from doing one.
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Nobody is stopping me from jumping off a tower block either
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You need to talk to Copps if you are thinking of doing it
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Nobody is stopping me from jumping off a tower block either
Very true. Irrelevant but true. Because you're not whinging about somebody else jumping off a tower block but not jumping off the tower block that you want them to jump off.
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I’m not whinging about anything really
Just pointing out almost all politicians are just as bad as each other
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I’m not whinging about anything really
Just pointing out almost all politicians are just as bad as each other
Government by brain fart ............ if they are all the same why are you bothering dockos?
annnnnnnnd, if they are almost all the same why not vote for another lot so the uk government is not the laughing stock of the western world?
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I’m not whinging about anything really
Just pointing out almost all politicians are just as bad as each other
Government by brain fart ............ if they are all the same why are you bothering dockos?
annnnnnnnd, if they are almost all the same why not vote for another lot so the uk government is not the laughing stock of the western world?
I’m honestly forming the opinion you need help with your obsession.
Why am I bothering with what?
I’ve never voted Tory in my life, the difference is I’m not obsessed with my hatred of them.
You need to let it go
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I don't hate them dickos, I hate the idea that they can elect a leader on the balmy side of boris yeltsin and people still vote for them, I hate the idea that they can take the cream off the top in full view and claim it's normal and people say there is no difference they are all the same, I hate the idea that they haven't got a clue how to be inclusive and run the country for everyone or the majority at least and people, you dickos say there's no or little difference.
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None of the above should really bother you though as you don’t live here.
Why do you persist on coming on a football forum and only ever post on Off topic posts?
Something must be seriously lacking in your life!
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None of the above should really bother you though as you don’t live here.
Why do you persist on coming on a football forum and only ever post on Off topic posts?
Something must be seriously lacking in your life!
At least I have your attention knockers and my previous comment appears to have hit the mark, aye? I get quite used to those without answers becoming abusive especially the xenophobes.
Added: I figure if was writing three cheers for johson every day you may not be complaining?
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''Tackle poverty and inequality to reduce crime, says police chief
Retiring head of Merseyside force says if he had £5bn he would spend 20% on policing and 80% on cutting poverty''
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/18/tackle-poverty-and-inequality-to-reduce-says-police-chief
Make it part of the levelling up?
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I’m not whinging about anything really
Just pointing out almost all politicians are just as bad as each other
Government by brain fart ............ if they are all the same why are you bothering dockos?
annnnnnnnd, if they are almost all the same why not vote for another lot so the uk government is not the laughing stock of the western world?
I think Dickos was including all politicians of all Parties in his comment about them all being the same, sorry, almost all being the same.
Which other lot would you suggest he votes for next time.
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I’m not whinging about anything really
Just pointing out almost all politicians are just as bad as each other
Government by brain fart ............ if they are all the same why are you bothering dockos?
annnnnnnnd, if they are almost all the same why not vote for another lot so the uk government is not the laughing stock of the western world?
I think Dickos was including all politicians of all Parties in his comment about them all being the same, sorry, almost all being the same.
Which other lot would you suggest he votes for next time.
You are really good at explaining what other people think hound but what do you yourself think about politicians being all the same?
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None of the above should really bother you though as you don’t live here.
Why do you persist on coming on a football forum and only ever post on Off topic posts?
Something must be seriously lacking in your life!
At least I have your attention knockers and my previous comment appears to have hit the mark, aye? I get quite used to those without answers becoming abusive especially the xenophobes.
Added: I figure if was writing three cheers for johson every day you may not be complaining?
Way off the mark Bruce. I’d rather not vote than vote Tory!
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None of the above should really bother you though as you don’t live here.
Why do you persist on coming on a football forum and only ever post on Off topic posts?
Something must be seriously lacking in your life!
At least I have your attention knockers and my previous comment appears to have hit the mark, aye? I get quite used to those without answers becoming abusive especially the xenophobes.
Added: I figure if was writing three cheers for johson every day you may not be complaining?
Way off the mark Bruce. I’d rather not vote than vote Tory!
So why the abuse, why not just ignore my comments?
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I’m not whinging about anything really
Just pointing out almost all politicians are just as bad as each other
Government by brain fart ............ if they are all the same why are you bothering dockos?
annnnnnnnd, if they are almost all the same why not vote for another lot so the uk government is not the laughing stock of the western world?
I think Dickos was including all politicians of all Parties in his comment about them all being the same, sorry, almost all being the same.
Which other lot would you suggest he votes for next time.
You are really good at explaining what other people think hound but what do you yourself think about politicians being all the same?
And you are particularly good at not answering any questions.
I agree with dickos, that almost all politicians are of the same breed.
Now which Party do you suggest he votes for next time?
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I’m not whinging about anything really
Just pointing out almost all politicians are just as bad as each other
Government by brain fart ............ if they are all the same why are you bothering dockos?
annnnnnnnd, if they are almost all the same why not vote for another lot so the uk government is not the laughing stock of the western world?
I think Dickos was including all politicians of all Parties in his comment about them all being the same, sorry, almost all being the same.
Which other lot would you suggest he votes for next time.
You are really good at explaining what other people think hound but what do you yourself think about politicians being all the same?
And you are particularly good at not answering any questions.
I agree with dickos, that almost all politicians are of the same breed.
Now which Party do you suggest he votes for next time?
If you care to have a run through my back catalogue hound you'll know well what my political leanings are and you will also see where I have asked the same of yourself with few answers forthcoming, without wanting to upset your extremely sensitive nature and for you to start abusing me again I'll leave it there, but You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time advising me of your interpretation of what the forum rules are and further who is allowed to comment so I'll decline you invitation and wait for dickos to ask his own questions, unless you are of course suggesting that he is incapable of speaking for himself.
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I’m not whinging about anything really
Just pointing out almost all politicians are just as bad as each other
Government by brain fart ............ if they are all the same why are you bothering dockos?
annnnnnnnd, if they are almost all the same why not vote for another lot so the uk government is not the laughing stock of the western world?
I think Dickos was including all politicians of all Parties in his comment about them all being the same, sorry, almost all being the same.
Which other lot would you suggest he votes for next time.
You are really good at explaining what other people think hound but what do you yourself think about politicians being all the same?
And you are particularly good at not answering any questions.
I agree with dickos, that almost all politicians are of the same breed.
Now which Party do you suggest he votes for next time?
If you care to have a run through my back catalogue hound you'll know well what my political leanings are and you will also see where I have asked the same of yourself with few answers forthcoming, without wanting to upset your extremely sensitive nature and for you to start abusing me again I'll leave it there, but You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time advising me of your interpretation of what the forum rules are and further who is allowed to comment so I'll decline you invitation and wait for dickos to ask his own questions, unless you are of course suggesting that he is incapable of speaking for himself.
I think Stevie wonder would realise who your political leanings are towards
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You're correct there dickos, how come hound hasn't picked up on it?
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I’m not whinging about anything really
Just pointing out almost all politicians are just as bad as each other
Government by brain fart ............ if they are all the same why are you bothering dockos?
annnnnnnnd, if they are almost all the same why not vote for another lot so the uk government is not the laughing stock of the western world?
I think Dickos was including all politicians of all Parties in his comment about them all being the same, sorry, almost all being the same.
Which other lot would you suggest he votes for next time.
You are really good at explaining what other people think hound but what do you yourself think about politicians being all the same?
And you are particularly good at not answering any questions.
I agree with dickos, that almost all politicians are of the same breed.
Now which Party do you suggest he votes for next time?
If you care to have a run through my back catalogue hound you'll know well what my political leanings are and you will also see where I have asked the same of yourself with few answers forthcoming, without wanting to upset your extremely sensitive nature and for you to start abusing me again I'll leave it there, but You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time advising me of your interpretation of what the forum rules are and further who is allowed to comment so I'll decline you invitation and wait for dickos to ask his own questions, unless you are of course suggesting that he is incapable of speaking for himself.
I think Stevie wonder would realise who your political leanings are towards
I’m not sure where I have mentioned forum rules SR and of course Dickos is correct in his assumptions about your politics.
Clear as day of course but I wanted to know who you thought Dickos should vote for and the next question was going to be why.
I have of course told you in the past that I haven’t voted Tory or Labour in the past few years but I suppose you have conveniently forgotten that.
You mentioned a few days ago that I had abused you but when asked about it you didn’t come back to show me where I had done so.
I even asked other forum members if they could help out there but no one pointed out any such abuse.
With regards to your last question in the above post, no I am not suggesting that Dickos is incapable of speaking for himself.
Quite the contrary in fact, he is more than capable of getting you to dig your hole a bit deeper each day.
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so what was the reason for your intervention? the usual shit stir by proxy?
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so what was the reason for your intervention? the usual shit stir by proxy?
Errr, no, it was a genuine question which you actually turned into some bizarre argument.
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None of the above should really bother you though as you don’t live here.
Why do you persist on coming on a football forum and only ever post on Off topic posts?
Something must be seriously lacking in your life!
At least I have your attention knockers and my previous comment appears to have hit the mark, aye? I get quite used to those without answers becoming abusive especially the xenophobes.
Added: I figure if was writing three cheers for johson every day you may not be complaining?
Who are the xenophobes, Sydney?
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None of the above should really bother you though as you don’t live here.
Why do you persist on coming on a football forum and only ever post on Off topic posts?
Something must be seriously lacking in your life!
At least I have your attention knockers and my previous comment appears to have hit the mark, aye? I get quite used to those without answers becoming abusive especially the xenophobes.
Added: I figure if was writing three cheers for johson every day you may not be complaining?
Who are the xenophobes, Sydney?
Didn't they used to play at the Attic SS, surely you remember them, still doing the rounds apparently.
Added, just a thought why not ask hound I often hear him whistling one of their tunes.
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None of the above should really bother you though as you don’t live here.
Why do you persist on coming on a football forum and only ever post on Off topic posts?
Something must be seriously lacking in your life!
At least I have your attention knockers and my previous comment appears to have hit the mark, aye? I get quite used to those without answers becoming abusive especially the xenophobes.
Added: I figure if was writing three cheers for johson every day you may not be complaining?
Who are the xenophobes, Sydney?
Didn't they used to play at the Attic SS, surely you remember them, still doing the rounds apparently.
Added, just a thought why not ask hound I often hear him whistling one of their tunes.
So you accuse people on here of not answering questions, and now you're refusing to answer mine?
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None of the above should really bother you though as you don’t live here.
Why do you persist on coming on a football forum and only ever post on Off topic posts?
Something must be seriously lacking in your life!
At least I have your attention knockers and my previous comment appears to have hit the mark, aye? I get quite used to those without answers becoming abusive especially the xenophobes.
Added: I figure if was writing three cheers for johson every day you may not be complaining?
Who are the xenophobes, Sydney?
Didn't they used to play at the Attic SS, surely you remember them, still doing the rounds apparently.
Added, just a thought why not ask hound I often hear him whistling one of their tunes.
So you accuse people on here of not answering questions, and now you're refusing to answer mine?
You are in a long queue SS.
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None of the above should really bother you though as you don’t live here.
Why do you persist on coming on a football forum and only ever post on Off topic posts?
Something must be seriously lacking in your life!
At least I have your attention knockers and my previous comment appears to have hit the mark, aye? I get quite used to those without answers becoming abusive especially the xenophobes.
Added: I figure if was writing three cheers for johson every day you may not be complaining?
Who are the xenophobes, Sydney?
Didn't they used to play at the Attic SS, surely you remember them, still doing the rounds apparently.
Added, just a thought why not ask hound I often hear him whistling one of their tunes.
So you accuse people on here of not answering questions, and now you're refusing to answer mine?
I thought it would be fairly obvious to someone as smart as yourself SS anyone that that plays the man and not the ball, anyone that concentrates on where a person lives rather than what they say, it may be interesting to see if those that do this correlate to those that don't support taking the knee or taking pot shots at minorities even when they belong to their own caravan club?
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''The Financial Times reported that party chair Ben Elliot, charged with beefing up Tory fundraising efforts, had created the club for some of the party’s most generous donors, some giving £250,000 a year or more.
The Conservative party confirmed the existence of the board, and the fact that its members meet with senior party figures for “political updates”.
News that the chancellor and prime minister have been holding discussions with super-rich donors comes as the government is facing a series of key decisions on tax and spending, including how to pay for rebuilding the creaking social care system''
No surprise here, secret meeting with donors who can then scuttle off and increase their investment with inside knowledge, nice if you can be part of the club.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/30/labour-calls-for-pm-to-explain-advisory-board-for-wealthy-tory-donors
I wonder if it is part of the new levelling up club?
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Obsessed
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Obsessed
Too right I'm obsessed, obsessed with bad government, obsessed that one section of society thinking they can tilt the table in their favour because they have their hands all over the levers. 'This is your life' not theirs, they do not have a divine right to be able to command a better life than anyone else, if you wish to sit back and allow them to foment racism to fuel the culture wars go ahead dickos. The is England as is Australia as is the USA democracy means just that everyone is entitled not just a select few. If you think having a leader that is part of a group of elites that think burning £50 notes in front of homeless people is funny then keep on apologising for them.
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Obsessed
Too right I'm obsessed, obsessed with bad government, obsessed that one section of society thinking they can tilt the table in their favour because they have their hands all over the levers. 'This is your life' not theirs, they do not have a divine right to be able to command a better life than anyone else, if you wish to sit back and allow them to foment racism to fuel the culture wars go ahead dickos. The is England as is Australia as is the USA democracy means just that everyone is entitled not just a select few. If you think having a leader that is part of a group of elites that think burning £50 notes in front of homeless people is funny then keep on apologising for them.
Democracy is something you have to fight for, just as hard as those that think they own it.
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Obsessed
Too right I'm obsessed, obsessed with bad government, obsessed that one section of society thinking they can tilt the table in their favour because they have their hands all over the levers. 'This is your life' not theirs, they do not have a divine right to be able to command a better life than anyone else, if you wish to sit back and allow them to foment racism to fuel the culture wars go ahead dickos. The is England as is Australia as is the USA democracy means just that everyone is entitled not just a select few. If you think having a leader that is part of a group of elites that think burning £50 notes in front of homeless people is funny then keep on apologising for them.
I think you need help!
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Sort of like hound helping you dickos?
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Sort of like hound helping you dickos?
Nah
More like a psychiatrist
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Sort of like hound helping you dickos?
Nah
More like a psychiatrist
If hound's your psychiatrist your in deep doo doo dickos.
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Obsessed
Too right I'm obsessed, obsessed with bad government, obsessed that one section of society thinking they can tilt the table in their favour because they have their hands all over the levers. 'This is your life' not theirs, they do not have a divine right to be able to command a better life than anyone else, if you wish to sit back and allow them to foment racism to fuel the culture wars go ahead dickos. The is England as is Australia as is the USA democracy means just that everyone is entitled not just a select few. If you think having a leader that is part of a group of elites that think burning £50 notes in front of homeless people is funny then keep on apologising for them.
Democracy is something you have to fight for, just as hard as those that think they own it.
Absolutely correct, Sydney; which is why the people of the North and North East f*cked Labour off in the last GE, because they were trying to take democracy away from them via a second referendum.
OK?
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Obsessed
Too right I'm obsessed, obsessed with bad government, obsessed that one section of society thinking they can tilt the table in their favour because they have their hands all over the levers. 'This is your life' not theirs, they do not have a divine right to be able to command a better life than anyone else, if you wish to sit back and allow them to foment racism to fuel the culture wars go ahead dickos. The is England as is Australia as is the USA democracy means just that everyone is entitled not just a select few. If you think having a leader that is part of a group of elites that think burning £50 notes in front of homeless people is funny then keep on apologising for them.
Democracy is something you have to fight for, just as hard as those that think they own it.
Absolutely correct, Sydney; which is why the people of the North and North East f*cked Labour off in the last GE, because they were trying to take democracy away from them via a second referendum.
OK?
Can't argue with that Steve, Farage, UKIP, the tories and the yellow press have taken the UK out of the wealthiest bloc in the world and convinced you that you are better off, that took some doing but they did it, credit where it's due. They turned you against each other, let me know when you are ready to list the benefits.
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Another good one is where they drop police numbers by thousands, foment racial and culture wars, then come back and off less than there was before, hey presto, man of the people is boris, luv him.
Here he is telling how he did it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgzdb0txR_c
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''A Conservative spokesperson said: “Government policy is in no way influenced by the donations the party receives – they are entirely separate.”''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/01/labour-calls-on-tories-to-reveal-which-ministers-met-elite-donors-club
take your brollies with you tomorrow .............. look out for the porcine rain
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flip flop in the tank, little boris is having a wash
''Johnson dumps ‘amber watchlist’ plan as it emerges top adviser has quit
Proposals for tougher quarantine rules for some holidaymakers killed off after cabinet revolt''
read tis and tell me he's following the science?
''Boris Johnson has ditched plans for tougher quarantine restrictions for some holidaymakers after days of chaos, as it emerged the chief of the Joint Biosecurity Centre that advises on travel rules has departed the job leaving it “rudderless”''
''After a revolt in the cabinet and a backlash from the travel industry, government sources said the prime minister would not be going ahead with proposals for a new “amber watchlist” to warn travellers which countries were at risk of turning red.
Cabinet sources said the plans were killed off by the Treasury and Department for Transport, as ministers grow in confidence about the drop in cases, which fell to 21,052 on Monday''
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/02/johnson-hints-amber-watchlist-travel-plan-may-be-ditched
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I wonder if the Good Law Project could get johnson charged and convicted of wilful manslaughter, it could see him jailed and deported.
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I think you’ve bored everyone into submission
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I think you’ve bored everyone into submission
but not your good self dickos
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''Marble Arch Mound: deputy council leader resigns over £6m cost''
At least he had the decency to resign, how much was wasted on the failed garden bridge?
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Bang to rights on the ministerial code....again!
https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-used-public-funds-hartlepool-campaign-spending-return-suggests-2021-8?international=true&r=US&IR=T
Trying to get into the Book of Records for the most resignation offences disregarded, this lot.
In many other countries they would be in jail, breaking rocks in the hot sun.
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An internal Stanstead to Middlesborough flight as well.
Is this the example the host of COP26 ought to be setting?
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Grant Schapps is the secretary of state for transport.
Dear Mr Schapps
''Learn quickly and easily - Pass first time!
HGV means Heavy Goods Vehicle and LGV means Large Goods Vehicle. It's the same''
https://www.wallaceschool.co.uk/driver-training/hgv-driver-training
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Not to be outdone by gove, johnson steps into the breach once again ..................
''PM condemned for joke about UK becoming ‘Saudi Arabia of penal policy’''
''“In the immortal words of Priti Patel or Michael Howard or some other hardline home secretary, addressing the inmates of one of our larger prisons: it’s fantastic to see so many of you here,” Johnson told the 300 attenders at the lunch, which took place at the InterContinental London Park Lane in Mayfair.
He went on to joke about the UK becoming the “Saudi Arabia of penal policy” under Patel as part of comments about work on renewable energy. “I said last year we’re the Saudi Arabia of wind. Probably the Saudi Arabia of penal policy, under our wonderful home secretary,” Johnson said''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/14/disgusting-pms-joke-over-uk-becoming-saudi-arabia-of-penal-policy-condemned
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''Boris Johnson expected to announce new armed forces chief this week''
It's either Carrie, his dad, his sister or one of his brothers, apparently
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Adopt a pig for xmas, reach out help out.
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Always been one mystery to me about how Covid works, which Boris' skirmish with the pesky pathogen perfectly illustrates. It seems to always be the decent people who don't survive.
Never mind the abhorrent lack of social and moral justice in society today. There is no natural justice either.
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Always been one mystery to me about how Covid works, which Boris' skirmish with the pesky pathogen perfectly illustrates. It seems to always be the decent people who don't survive.
Never mind the abhorrent lack of social and moral justice in society today. There is no natural justice either.
People who go into intensive care go in there for at least several days, he went in for one night, I still don’t believe he ever had it
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Always been one mystery to me about how Covid works, which Boris' skirmish with the pesky pathogen perfectly illustrates. It seems to always be the decent people who don't survive.
Never mind the abhorrent lack of social and moral justice in society today. There is no natural justice either.
People who go into intensive care go in there for at least several days, he went in for one night, I still don’t believe he ever had it
I'm not one generally for conspiracy theories but i accept that what you are saying is plausible and it would not surprise me in the slightest. Anything to get an advantage or push an agenda with our Boris. Usually self advantage or selfish agenda.
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Loved his waffle in the Marr interview that the public have to understand that pigs have to be killed for us to eat them, ignoring the comment that these pigs were being slaughtered, not for human consumption, then incinerated
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Loved his waffle in the Marr interview that the public have to understand that pigs have to be killed for us to eat them, ignoring the comment that these pigs were being slaughtered, not for human consumption, then incinerated
This is the thing, we know he's not thick, so it must be that he can't be arsed to listen to the briefings that people in his position get, so this is what we get for a PM a dilettante that can't be arsed.
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I am waiting for the gripes when we have all the extra lorry drivers we need and they are all driving on the roads.
There are enough of them now, and think about all the extra pollution from them big dirty diesel engines, talk about being muddled i think a lot of people are.
There has got to be cases of a lorry load of a certain product being taken from say Wrexham to Darlington, while the exact same product is doing the return journey at the same time. People should be watching out for that.
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I am waiting for the gripes when we have all the extra lorry drivers we need and they are all driving on the roads.
There are enough of them now, and think about all the extra pollution from them big dirty diesel engines, talk about being muddled i think a lot of people are.
There has got to be cases of a lorry load of a certain product being taken from say Wrexham to Darlington, while the exact same product is doing the return journey at the same time. People should be watching out for that.
Like the uk has increased it's fleet of trucks?
I'm waiting for an interpreter to explain the second bit selby.
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Got a mate who exports the old knackered ones abroad Syd where they aren't that bothered about pollution there is always a buck to be made.
The other part use your imagination.
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Got a mate who exports the old knackered ones abroad Syd where they aren't that bothered about pollution there is always a buck to be made.
The other part use your imagination.
My mates work for the community, do investigative journalism, raise money for various charities and fight for rights for minority groups.
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Always been one mystery to me about how Covid works, which Boris' skirmish with the pesky pathogen perfectly illustrates. It seems to always be the decent people who don't survive.
Never mind the abhorrent lack of social and moral justice in society today. There is no natural justice either.
People who go into intensive care go in there for at least several days, he went in for one night, I still don’t believe he ever had it
Like I've said to you before, Filo, for that to happen, all those wonderful nurses and doctors at St Thomas's hospital would have had to be complicit, and a set of liars. Is that what you're suggesting?
Yet another ridiculous conspiracy theory.
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Always been one mystery to me about how Covid works, which Boris' skirmish with the pesky pathogen perfectly illustrates. It seems to always be the decent people who don't survive.
Never mind the abhorrent lack of social and moral justice in society today. There is no natural justice either.
People who go into intensive care go in there for at least several days, he went in for one night, I still don’t believe he ever had it
Like I've said to you before, Filo, for that to happen, all those wonderful nurses and doctors at St Thomas's hospital would have had to be complicit, and a set of liars. Is that what you're suggesting?
Yet another ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Not to mention do we really think this government is capable of pulling off a stunt like that with no issues? They can't even have an affair in their own office without it being made public...
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Always been one mystery to me about how Covid works, which Boris' skirmish with the pesky pathogen perfectly illustrates. It seems to always be the decent people who don't survive.
Never mind the abhorrent lack of social and moral justice in society today. There is no natural justice either.
People who go into intensive care go in there for at least several days, he went in for one night, I still don’t believe he ever had it
Like I've said to you before, Filo, for that to happen, all those wonderful nurses and doctors at St Thomas's hospital would have had to be complicit, and a set of liars. Is that what you're suggesting?
Yet another ridiculous conspiracy theory.
We've been lied to all the way through by the NHS. They are part of the problem and part of the reason why we ended up getting locked down. Because they are f**king useless and are another organization using Covid to mask failure and mismanagement on an industrial scale.
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Always been one mystery to me about how Covid works, which Boris' skirmish with the pesky pathogen perfectly illustrates. It seems to always be the decent people who don't survive.
Never mind the abhorrent lack of social and moral justice in society today. There is no natural justice either.
People who go into intensive care go in there for at least several days, he went in for one night, I still don’t believe he ever had it
Like I've said to you before, Filo, for that to happen, all those wonderful nurses and doctors at St Thomas's hospital would have had to be complicit, and a set of liars. Is that what you're suggesting?
Yet another ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Not to mention do we really think this government is capable of pulling off a stunt like that with no issues? They can't even have an affair in their own office without it being made public...
When he was filmed waving from his front door just before he was admitted to hospital, he really looked very sick.
I'm confident that couldn't have been faked.
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Always been one mystery to me about how Covid works, which Boris' skirmish with the pesky pathogen perfectly illustrates. It seems to always be the decent people who don't survive.
Never mind the abhorrent lack of social and moral justice in society today. There is no natural justice either.
People who go into intensive care go in there for at least several days, he went in for one night, I still don’t believe he ever had it
Like I've said to you before, Filo, for that to happen, all those wonderful nurses and doctors at St Thomas's hospital would have had to be complicit, and a set of liars. Is that what you're suggesting?
Yet another ridiculous conspiracy theory.
SS yes he probably had it after the buffoon went round shaking every bodies hand, but was he really at deaths door? I remember him saying something about them "saving his life"
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I have had relatives with it and the majority of those weren't too poorly with it. What if Boris had it like they did and just exaggerated how he felt for a photo opportunity.
He was always going to get special treatment as the head of state. The NHS daren't los a patient as important as him.
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Always been one mystery to me about how Covid works, which Boris' skirmish with the pesky pathogen perfectly illustrates. It seems to always be the decent people who don't survive.
Never mind the abhorrent lack of social and moral justice in society today. There is no natural justice either.
People who go into intensive care go in there for at least several days, he went in for one night, I still don’t believe he ever had it
Like I've said to you before, Filo, for that to happen, all those wonderful nurses and doctors at St Thomas's hospital would have had to be complicit, and a set of liars. Is that what you're suggesting?
Yet another ridiculous conspiracy theory.
All those wonderful nurses and doctors are bound by the oath of confidentiality so are not allowed to say anything about a patient one way or the other.
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Always been one mystery to me about how Covid works, which Boris' skirmish with the pesky pathogen perfectly illustrates. It seems to always be the decent people who don't survive.
Never mind the abhorrent lack of social and moral justice in society today. There is no natural justice either.
People who go into intensive care go in there for at least several days, he went in for one night, I still don’t believe he ever had it
Like I've said to you before, Filo, for that to happen, all those wonderful nurses and doctors at St Thomas's hospital would have had to be complicit, and a set of liars. Is that what you're suggesting?
Yet another ridiculous conspiracy theory.
Can you explain why he was only in ICU for one night?
Watching Netfix and playing jenga apparently
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Wasn't he in ICU for 3 nights?
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Wasn't he in ICU for 3 nights?
He didn't Croke it mate that's the issue here!
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Always been one mystery to me about how Covid works, which Boris' skirmish with the pesky pathogen perfectly illustrates. It seems to always be the decent people who don't survive.
Never mind the abhorrent lack of social and moral justice in society today. There is no natural justice either.
People who go into intensive care go in there for at least several days, he went in for one night, I still don’t believe he ever had it
Like I've said to you before, Filo, for that to happen, all those wonderful nurses and doctors at St Thomas's hospital would have had to be complicit, and a set of liars. Is that what you're suggesting?
Yet another ridiculous conspiracy theory.
All those wonderful nurses and doctors are bound by the oath of confidentiality so are not allowed to say anything about a patient one way or the other.
Really? So what were the semantics of them stating on TV that he was on oxygen and his condition was critical?
Were they all liars?
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Eeh, grown-up politics eh!
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Which Medical people came out and said he was critical SS? Certainly the Media did, but drip fed by whom? I think we can hazard a good guess
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Which Medical people came out and said he was critical SS? Certainly the Media did, but drip fed by whom? I think we can hazard a good guess
I saw and heard doctors and nurses saying it with my own eyes and ears, Raven.
Look, I'm just as aware of how big a buffoon Johnson is as anyone, but the political points scoring on this forum just gets childish.
Think about it. Johnson gets sneered at, and quite rightly so, by people on here, for shaking hands with Covid patients, and it'll serve him right when he inevitably catches it.
Then when he does get it, according to the same people, he actually HASN'T got it.
Now THAT'S something you just couldn't make up.
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Scawsby, Scawsby, Scawsby mate, It's called grown-up politics!
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Max Hastings probably knows johnson better than Carrie, business and work ethic wise that is.
''For his sake, and Britain’s, now is the time for Boris Johnson to ride off into the sunset''
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/03/for-his-sake-and-britains-now-is-the-time-for-boris-johnson-to-ride-off-into-the-sunset
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Boris Johnson .....
''But he added that wages were rising in the UK for the first time in a decade and it had the "fasting growing economy in the G7" group of richest economies''''
He also said the other day ''we want high wage, high skill jobs''
Aren't we in danger of getting the former coupled with high inflation but without the latter,
shouldn't a high skilled industry drive the economy and in turn wages?
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(https://i.imgur.com/5AgQLio.jpg)
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''Boris Johnson: I'm not worried over jobs gap and rising prices''
Is that because he never pays for anything himself?
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Word on the street is that Bozo will make a pledge on the Living Wage tomorrow in his conference speech.
Probably won't add up to much, just occupying the political space opened up by the inept Keith.
Always have a man on the post at a corner, Keith!
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Word on the street is that Bozo will make a pledge on the Living Wage tomorrow in his conference speech.
Probably won't add up to much, just occupying the political space opened up by the inept Keith.
Always have a man on the post at a corner, Keith!
Where's your man Albie, I presume you have got a horse in the race or is this more armchair theatre?
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misogyny, mistersogyny, raab, rubaab
hmmmmm
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Have to say that I think Boris Johnson is still incredibly good at his 'real' job as this week has showed:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/10/07/voting-intention-con-39-lab-31-5-6-oct
Not his 'supposed' job - Prime Minister - which he's no good at.
But his real job of being the 'ra-ra' guy for the Conservative Party, the person who serves up Tory voters in their millions; brilliant. Done it time and again.
Labour's problem is that they don't have anyone like him.
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Johnson (Roy Chubby Brown)
''In his speech, Johnson said he had a mandate for his demand that business needs to pay, train and invest more. It would be difficult, “but that was the change that people voted for in 2016. And that was the change they voted for again powerfully in 2019”''
So not a mandate for johnson to get off his arse and do something a mandate for everyone else? If this levelling up thingy turns out to be a you tube sketch of tommy cooper then it is the fault of business.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/08/a-resentful-uk-plc-hits-back-at-boris-johnsons-conference-business-bashing
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a new trend?
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-58987773
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''Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others''
Marx & johnson
fmd
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this could be a page turner
'‘How Johnson pledged help for my business to win my love’
I’ll be your throttle, he told Arcuri as mayor
Diaries could reopen misconduct inquiry''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/13/how-johnson-pledged-help-for-my-business-to-win-my-love
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''“I can barely control myself whenever I see you. You make me too excited. Baby I couldn’t wait. All year I have been waiting for you. All year. You drove me nuts. I have thought about no woman as I have thought of you.”''
Anyone want tickets to the Sleaze Ball at xmas?
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''Responding to the latest Arcuri revelations, a government spokesperson said: “As mayor, Boris Johnson followed all the legal requirements in the Greater London Assembly’s [sic] code of conduct at the time.”
The diaries, however, indicate that Johnson pursued Arcuri, offering to advance her business interests in the apparent hope that this might lead to a sexual relationship with the woman who dubbed him “Alex the Great”''
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''Fresh prospect of criminal inquiry for Boris Johnson after Jennifer Arcuri agrees to assist ethics watchdog
The American businesswoman, and the prime minister’s ex-lover, is to let officials at London City Hall see extracts from her diaries''
Is johnson about to cement his place at the top of the sleeze tree as he puts berlusconi's efforts in the shade?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/20/fresh-prospect-of-criminal-inquiry-for-boris-johnson-after-jennifer-arcuri-agrees-to-assist-ethics-watchdog
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I'll say this for him, at least he's a well organised and articulate orator....
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1462730234537648128/vid/1280x720/xoUKF2ChR5M1M7Dp.mp4?tag=14
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I'll say this for him, at least he's a well organised and articulate orator....
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1462730234537648128/vid/1280x720/xoUKF2ChR5M1M7Dp.mp4?tag=14
Looks like he's still trying to sort out the two lists he's written out before decided which one to go with...
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I'll say this for him, at least he's a well organised and articulate orator....
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1462730234537648128/vid/1280x720/xoUKF2ChR5M1M7Dp.mp4?tag=14
Very Churchillian!!
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Jesus f**king wept.
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You could imagine that as a Little Britain sketch with Matt Lucas as Boris.
It’s a shambles and even his staunchest supporter must be embarrassed by it. It certainly doesn’t inspire confidence in the leader of our country.
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Jesus f**king wept.
Don’t forget Joseph & Mary & the wee f**king donkey!
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What was it Marina Hyde said?
Johnson always liked the idea that he would one day be PM. He likes the idea that he'll one day be able to look back and say he was PM. It's the bit in the middle that he struggles with.
Max Hastings said that the air of manic disorganisation wasn't a front. He was WAS a shambles in the way he managed everything except his own ambition, where he was ruthless. That's what it gets you. An embarrassment of a PM who made his name being the loveable left-field personality, now being unable to put six sheets of paper in the right order.
Jeremy Vine told that, frankly, chilling story about Johnson apparently winging speeches. (If you haven't heard of it, you really need to read this: https://reaction.life/jeremy-vine-my-boris-story/). That threw a light on who Johnson was. Ruthlessly focussed on his appearance as the anti-politician. And that has worked spectacularly in a society that values entertainment over competence. But scratch that surface and underneath is a man so disorganised, he truly didn't know what the Customs Union was while he was signing us out of it, he bragged about shaking hands in hospital while a plague was ripping through the country, and now he's unable to keep a few pieces of paper together.
You can turn ignorance and disorganisation to your benefit when you are playing a calculated role. But if you're ignorant and disorganised as a PM, there's no way out for the country.
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It was a car crash - eeeeeeeoowwww cruuunch as he probably said
I could see early on he was picking up A4 Papers one in each hand but ditching them after literally seconds as though they had just one or two words on them - and I thought "what could go wrong" ?
Then in the middle of saying how great "tech" was and how we were "world class" at it , his speech went t**s up and I thought "have you heard of Bulldog clips"
Even a Best Man would barely make such a child lke error - Fail to prepare , Prepare to FAIL
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Word of the day is 'hingum-tringum' (19th-century Scots): feeble and barely presentable; just about hanging together.
https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1462732731004198913
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Word of the day is 'hingum-tringum' (19th-century Scots): feeble and barely presentable; just about hanging together.
https://twitter.com/susie_dent/status/1462732731004198913
Boris is a great advertisement for democracy and achievement in our country, if a Twit like him can become PM anybody can!
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If there's any solace the Tories can take from that poor performance it is that, as bad as it was, it's still good enough to get more votes than the Labour party.
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That says as much about the electorate as it does Boris though BB.
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I think it says more about the Labour party than it does Boris, idler.
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Todays dead cat, to deflect attention from the Health and Social Care bill
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Todays dead cat, to deflect attention from the Health and Social Care bill
No need to be rude about bb, he's just trying to make the best of a bad decision
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He was right on one thing today. Peppa pig world (paultons park) is brilliant.
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I suspect the CBI were chuffed to bits to be told that.
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Those that ripped into Dianne Abbot, including the Tory press have been noticable by their silence on this, imagine the uproar had Abbot done a speech like that and mentioning Peppa Pig, or doing a Basil Brush impression broom broom
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Labour supporters on this forum just continue to show that they are no better than anyone else in their selectiveness of who they choose to ridicule or defend.
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Labour supporters on this forum just continue to show that they are no better than anyone else in their selectiveness of who they choose to ridicule or defend.
That is a bit unfair BB.
You should have said “some Labour supporters”.
They are not all the same.
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Labour supporters on this forum just continue to show that they are no better than anyone else in their selectiveness of who they choose to ridicule or defend.
That is a bit unfair BB.
You should have said “some Labour supporters”.
They are not all the same.
To be fair Hound, I didn't say "all Labour supporters" either.
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Labour supporters on this forum just continue to show that they are no better than anyone else in their selectiveness of who they choose to ridicule or defend.
That is a bit unfair BB.
You should have said “some Labour supporters”.
They are not all the same.
To be fair Hound, I didn't say "all Labour supporters" either.
True. Maybe I was being too judgemental.
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Those that ripped into Dianne Abbot, including the Tory press have been noticable by their silence on this, imagine the uproar had Abbot done a speech like that and mentioning Peppa Pig, or doing a Basil Brush impression broom broom
They were both a joke. For the PM of our nation to perform like that was an embarrassment. He's done the one thing he was elected for and now he needs to go before Carrie can manipulate him into doing any more harm.
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Labour supporters on this forum just continue to show that they are no better than anyone else in their selectiveness of who they choose to ridicule or defend.
That is a bit unfair BB.
You should have said “some Labour supporters”.
They are not all the same.
To be fair Hound, I didn't say "all Labour supporters" either.
True. Maybe I was being too judgemental.
It was an example of you being fair and not allowing what side of the fence you are on to sway your values. I like that!
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shall I book a room?
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He might be dying!
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I think it says more about the Labour party than it does Boris, idler.
Did you find Boris's delivery of his speech acceptable for a politician that is the leader of the country?
Irrespective of which party any voter supports his performance was woeful to say the least.
His oratory skills are about as good as his grooming skills.
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Just imagine the uproar if PM Corbyn had put in a performance like that. Or in fact, any politician in history.
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I think it says more about the Labour party than it does Boris, idler.
Did you find Boris's delivery of his speech acceptable for a politician that is the leader of the country?
Irrespective of which party any voter supports his performance was woeful to say the least.
His oratory skills are about as good as his grooming skills.
I think every human being is susceptible to underperforming in speeches occasionally, especially when they have to do several a day, every day, in front of the media. What is less human is to select the under par ones and use them for political gain.
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Just imagine the uproar if PM Corbyn had put in a performance like that. Or in fact, any politician in history.
The problem with Corbyn was he didn't forget his scripts.
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I think it says more about the Labour party than it does Boris, idler.
Did you find Boris's delivery of his speech acceptable for a politician that is the leader of the country?
Irrespective of which party any voter supports his performance was woeful to say the least.
His oratory skills are about as good as his grooming skills.
I think every human being is susceptible to underperforming in speeches occasionally, especially when they have to do several a day, every day, in front of the media. What is less human is to select the under par ones and use them for political gain.
Yep. I can think of...literally no politician in history that has f**ked their notes up and started blathering about Peppa Pig.
Other than that, great point BB.
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Cheers BST, I do my best.
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The problem with Johnson is that he is an outright liar - and now people and beginning to see that the bufoon act actually means the joke is on them.
I have seen one explanation for the Peppa Pig speech being that it was a distraction from the unravelling of his levelling-up myth. Which has cost a number of businesss in that room a great deal of money. They began investing in sites in the north with the understanding that these would be interconnected via Northern Powerhouse rail and the HS2 extension and his scrapping of it means these are now less viable.
I have no idea if this is true or not, seems plausible, but what is true are his lies unravelling - who is going to believe him in the future?
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The problem with Johnson is that he is an outright liar - and now people and beginning to see that the bufoon act actually means the joke is on them.
I have seen one explanation for the Peppa Pig speech being that it was a distraction from the unravelling of his levelling-up myth. Which has cost a number of businesss in that room a great deal of money. They began investing in sites in the north with the understanding that these would be interconnected via Northern Powerhouse rail and the HS2 extension and his scrapping of it means these are now less viable.
I have no idea if this is true or not, seems plausible, but what is true are his lies unravelling - who is going to believe him in the future?
"I have no idea if this is true or not"
...But I'll say it anyway, whether it's a lie or not!
...Oh no! Only Tories lie! :facepalm:
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He can't help himself though, he managed to get a lie in about Peppa Pig saying it had been offered to the Beeb but they turned it down. It turns out it wasn't so they didn't
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ravenrover, we are all guilty of errors and inaccuracies in things we say, so I suppose we all qualify as liars, in your book.
...Unless you believe in the theory that only Tories can be liars?
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ravenrover, we are all guilty of errors and inaccuracies in things we say, so I suppose we all qualify as liars, in your book.
...Unless you believe in the theory that only Tories can be liars?
Go and find some recent examples of left-of-centre politicians telling lies on the scale that Johnson does. And I'm not talking about errors that are quickly corrected. Or opinions that can be contested. I'm talking about unquestionable lies on matters of clear objective truth, that are not retracted or corrected.
Take your time. You'll need it.
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What about Starmer's blatant denial of wanting to join the EU vaccine programme?
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Which he immediately retracted and clarified.
Next?
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No, he didn't immediately retract it. He said it four times from that despatch box, and only admitted his lie when forced to.
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Yep, another untruth posted on the forum by bst.
Starmer also had to back down and retract his outburst after labelling Johnson as a coward.
Not the type of behaviour one would expect of a Party leader.
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I'm still waiting for BST to retract or clarify his statement which either way won't be immediate now.
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He retracted it the very same day. It was a clear case of speaking at cross purposes. When the dust settled and he realised he'd been arguing about something else, he retracted it. The record is straight.
If that is truly your best shot of finding an equivalent to Johnson getting sacked for making up a story in a paper, getting sacked for lying to his boss about his infidelities, insisting there would be no NI customs checks, lying about Tory cuts in CO2 emissions, NHS funding, reductions in child poverty ( all of which he's done, not one he has retracted or apologised for) then you're even more politically biased than I had given you credit for.
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If he'd have immediately retracted it he wouldn't have had time to deny it!
Now, do the decent thing and apologise for supporting a liar.
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BB has anybody supporting Boris apologised for supporting a serial liar?
While his supporters are laughing at Boris the buffoon and scoring points the country is rapidly going down the pan.
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BB has anybody supporting Boris apologised for supporting a serial liar?
While his supporters are laughing at Boris the buffoon and scoring points the country is rapidly going down the pan.
What do you want people to do, Idler? The next GE probably won't be fought until 2024, and it will most likely be between Sunak and AN Other.
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I don't know which would be more embarrassing here BB.
The idea that you might actually think there's a real equivalence here.
Or the idea that you don't.
Straight question. Do you truly and honestly think Johnson and Starmer are as bad as each other when it comes to their relationship with the truth.
Simple yes or no. No need for your usual blather.
My answer. No.
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idler, if anybody supporting Boris apologised for supporting a liar they wouldn't be supporting him.
And your second point, this country has apparently been going down the pan for decades.
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BB has anybody supporting Boris apologised for supporting a serial liar?
While his supporters are laughing at Boris the buffoon and scoring points the country is rapidly going down the pan.
What do you want people to do, Idler? The next GE probably won't be fought until 2024, and it will most likely be between Sunak and AN Other.
Agreed SS and the fact that it is ANOther says much about the opposition and their chances of winning the next GE.
When Johnson goes and Sunak takes over I would expect the government credibility to rise again.
I don’t think that will be too far away.
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I don't know which would be more embarrassing here BB.
The idea that you might actually think there's a real equivalence here.
Or the idea that you don't.
Straight question. Do you truly and honestly think Johnson and Starmer are as bad as each other when it comes to their relationship with the truth.
Simple yes or no. No need for your usual blather.
My answer. No.
I strongly believe that Boris is under far more pressure as PM than Starmer is as leader of the opposition and for that reason is put on the spot by the media far more. I also think for a fact that he's wrongly called a liar for reasons such as changing his mind FFS.
Is Starmer guilty of changing his mind? Is Starmer a liar for that?
I think, if Starmer was PM, he would be as much a 'liar' as Johnson.
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What about Johnson's lifetime of lying before he was PM?
Do you think Starmer lies as much? Has Starmer been sacked...twice...for lying?
Was Starmer's first major job writing lies about the EU on a weekly basis for a major paper? You know? Like the bent bananas and the eurocondom?
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By the way, you still haven't apologised for supporting Starmer's lies regarding EU vaccines.
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You are more of an idiot than you even realise. Go and read up about the supposed "lie" that you're blathering on about. And then have a think where your self respect has gone.
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What about Johnson's lifetime of lying before he was PM?
Do you think Starmer lies as much? Has Starmer been sacked...twice...for lying?
Was Starmer's first major job writing lies about the EU on a weekly basis for a major paper? You know? Like the bent bananas and the eurocondom?
Boris was nowhere near PM or leader of the opposition when those stories arose. Starmer, when he talked about wanting to make Brexit work as part of his manifesto, but previously insisted Corbyn should have a policy of a second referendum, was though.
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You are more of an idiot than you even realise. Go and read up about the supposed "lie" that you're blathering on about. And then have a think where your self respect has gone.
Yet again, you revert to insults. Eeh, grown up poliics, aye!
I'll tell you something BST, I reckon you and some of your mates have actually LOST Labour supporters on this forum. I for one certainly don't want to be on the same side as you.
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You make a fool of yourself in arguments then get upset when someone points out what a fool you make of yourself. Why do it?
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You're a bit of a pillock, basically, aren't you BST?
I suppose I should be thankful for being capable of seeing through your bullshit. I just pity those who aren't.
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You're a bit of a pillock, basically, aren't you BST?
I suppose I should be thankful for being capable of seeing through your bullshit. I just pity those who aren't.
I saw through it Bentley, then he pretended to block me.
He tends to do that to folk who see him for what he really his.
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BB has anybody supporting Boris apologised for supporting a serial liar?
While his supporters are laughing at Boris the buffoon and scoring points the country is rapidly going down the pan.
What do you want people to do, Idler? The next GE probably won't be fought until 2024, and it will most likely be between Sunak and AN Other.
Steve, I just can’t get people standing by and applauding or ignoring the antics of Boris mainly without question. It will be interesting how history judges Boris and this government. It almost makes you ashamed to be British. Lack of a strong opposition doesn’t make the sleaze and cronyism any more acceptable to any honest person.
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The issue is BB, you never, ever bring anything to a discussion. You just dribble out any argument you can think of to keep the argument going. You decide you are not going to accept you are wrong and you act like a ten year old as a result .
Look at this case.
1) Firstly you claim that Starmer is a liar for an issue where by any rational assessment, he wasn't deliberately trying to deceive and he set the record straight within hours.
2) In that issue, you constantly refer to the wrong issue. Ironically, the thing you accuse Starmer of lying about is an issue that the Tories themselves lied about as a deliberate policy - as you could easily have found out for yourself.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-keir-starmer-did-want-to-stay-in-the-european-medicines-agency-but-it-wouldnt-have-affected-the-vaccine-rollout
3) Then you accept that Johnson has lied repeatedly as PM but say that's because he's PM and Starmer would be as bad.
4) Then you say Johnson's lifelong habit of lying doesn't matter because it was too long ago.
5) Then for some bizarre reason, vou raise the fact that Starmer's stance on Brexit changed after Brexit had happened as evidence of him being as bad as Johnson.
Do you get why it is so difficult to respect your approach?
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The issue is BB, you never, ever bring anything to a discussion. You just dribble out any argument you can think of to keep the argument going. You decide you are not going to accept you are wrong and you act like a ten year old as a result .
Look at this case.
1) Firstly you claim that Starmer is a liar for an issue where by any rational assessment, he wasn't deliberately trying to deceive and he set the record straight within hours.
2) In that issue, you constantly refer to the wrong issue. Ironically, the thing you accuse Starmer of lying about is an issue that the Tories themselves lied about as a deliberate policy - as you could easily have found out for yourself.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-keir-starmer-did-want-to-stay-in-the-european-medicines-agency-but-it-wouldnt-have-affected-the-vaccine-rollout
3) Then you accept that Johnson has lied repeatedly as PM but say that's because he's PM and Starmer would be as bad.
4) Then you say Johnson's lifelong habit of lying doesn't matter because it was too long ago.
5) Then for some bizarre reason, vou raise the fact that Starmer's stance on Brexit changed after Brexit had happened as evidence of him being as bad as Johnson.
Do you get why it is so difficult to respect your approach?
Well done for clarifying exactly the kind of person you are.
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And then after BB acting like a ten-year-old we get belton's five-year-old's 'that's you that is' act.
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Apologists for a liar of a Prime Minister - thats why he knows he can get away with it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScFh94J7SV4
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The issue is BB, you never, ever bring anything to a discussion. You just dribble out any argument you can think of to keep the argument going. You decide you are not going to accept you are wrong and you act like a ten year old as a result .
Look at this case.
1) Firstly you claim that Starmer is a liar for an issue where by any rational assessment, he wasn't deliberately trying to deceive and he set the record straight within hours.
2) In that issue, you constantly refer to the wrong issue. Ironically, the thing you accuse Starmer of lying about is an issue that the Tories themselves lied about as a deliberate policy - as you could easily have found out for yourself.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-keir-starmer-did-want-to-stay-in-the-european-medicines-agency-but-it-wouldnt-have-affected-the-vaccine-rollout
3) Then you accept that Johnson has lied repeatedly as PM but say that's because he's PM and Starmer would be as bad.
4) Then you say Johnson's lifelong habit of lying doesn't matter because it was too long ago.
5) Then for some bizarre reason, vou raise the fact that Starmer's stance on Brexit changed after Brexit had happened as evidence of him being as bad as Johnson.
Do you get why it is so difficult to respect your approach?
Absolute and complete rubbish from beginning to end. I think you have serious problems BST, I honestly do. I don't feel anger, I feel pity.
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That's precisely the issue Wilts.
If you don't call this out, if you excuse it, you normalise it.
Even lifelong Tories like Ken Clarke are pointing out this is how democracy slips away. Have you EVER heard a politician say that about their own Govt before?
A shame some folk in here prefer to have a tired fight rather than wake up to what is going on.
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Go on then BB. Redeem yourself. Explain why those points are wrong.
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That's precisely the issue Wilts.
If you don't call this out, if you excuse it, you normalise it.
Even lifelong Tories like Ken Clarke are pointing out this is how democracy slips away. Have you EVER heard a politician say that about their own Govt before?
A shame some folk in here prefer to have a tired fight rather than wake up to what is going on.
The problem on here isn't Boris Johnson, it's you and your small handful of nutty disciples. Keep up the good work for Boris.
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Seems like some Tory MP's care more about integrity and honesty and the reputation of the country than the Johnson excusers here:
Over 20 letters of no confidence in Johnson handed to 1922 Committee (although it will take a lot more than that)
https://twitter.com/secrettory12/status/1463266805326270464
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ravenrover, we are all guilty of errors and inaccuracies in things we say, so I suppose we all qualify as liars, in your book.
...Unless you believe in the theory that only Tories can be liars?
BB the man is a serial liar
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gosh, raab must be as thick as pig shit or another liar.
the prime minister is a total f**kwit and the deputy pm, blinded by politics asks the British public to believe that he isn't, how insulting could you be?
''Prime Minister Boris Johnson is on great form, says deputy PM Dominic Raab''
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-59399874
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Raab was on the radio this morning saying we should stop talking down Britain.
I wonder if he's related to this Dominic Raab?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19300051.amp
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Raab must have done one of those 'how to inspire your workforce' for managers.
Maybe he hasn't noticed how johnson goes awol at the first sign of trouble. Self preservation.
''British workers are "among the worst idlers in the world", a group of Conservative MPs has claimed.
The UK "rewards laziness", does not encourage risk-taking and must strive to emulate the work ethic and low-tax culture in parts of Asia, the five MPs argue in a book due out next month''
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I remember reading that article a decade ago and thinking "Well that's them f**ked for ever being successful politicians." What do I know? That book telling British workers how shit they were (with zero evidence beyond their own class prejudices) was written by the last two Foreign Secretaries.
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johnson and raab must be at the top of selby's 'those that hate britain' list, they sneer and despise the British public and do f**k all themselves to improve the country.
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Just to help BB out here....
https://boris-johnson-lies.com/
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Ah Kato! Maybe you can answer your leader's questions for him, seeing as he struggles with them?
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bb is beyond help he has no structured argument except argument itself.
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This is the sort of lying that just dribbles so easily from Johnson's mouth.
https://boris-johnson-lies.com/theres-no-question-of-there-being-checks-on-goods-going-from-ni-to-gb-or-gb/
Insisting, a few days before an Election that there would be no border checks between GB and NI, when he had put his signature to a document which explicitly required such checks. That's not a misunderstanding. It's not a slip of the tongue. It is an out and out lie, said in full knowledge that it is a lie. I'll repeat. Until very, very recently, politicians simply did not do this. It was career-ending to lie so baldly as this on a matter of easily checkable objective truth. If you accept that and just "Meh", you have given up on the foundation of democracy, which requires policy and decisions to be made on the basis of facts.
This sort of untruth is a different one.
https://boris-johnson-lies.com/the-economy-under-this-conservative-government-has-grown-by-73-per-cent/
It's unquestionably an untruth. But you could fairly claim that it's a slip of the tongue or an incorrect briefing note from a researcher that got it wrong. They key thing then is what you do about it. If you care about honesty, you issue a retraction, setting the record straight. Johnson simply never, ever does that. So the untruth sits on the record. Which, in practice, is as bad as deliberately lying in the first place.
I've seen someone say, and they may be right, that Johnson isn't the sort of liar who deliberately lies to mislead as part of a strategy. He just doesn't care about the truth. He says whatever comes into his head to get him out of the pickle he currently finds himself in.
Which, if you think about, is terrifying in a national leader.
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You could test the theory the he doesn't lie deliberately, if one could be arsed that is by looking at where he has lied that negatively reflects about what he and his government has done, all things being equal there should be an equal number of them.
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Just to help BB out here....
https://boris-johnson-lies.com/
That's why he liked Peppa Pig World so much. He's right at home in the middle of lots of porkies.
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BST
I don't get involved in these political arguments with BB, Belton et al anymore, and I've advised you more than once to do the same.
Bentley Bullet is either a complete WUM or just blind to any evidence you or anyone else provides on the objective truth as to what a nasty piece of work we have as a PM.
He just responds with infantile barbs and is not worth the effort.
Give over man.
...drums fingers while waiting for BB to call me a disciple.
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TT, I suggest you read the thread again from post number 180.
I have the highest regard for loyal people and understand your support for your lord and leader, even though I strongly disagree with his attitude.
Perhaps you could show even more support for him by answering some of the questions put to him over the years that he has swerved away from?
...Drum roll while waiting for you to ask me for examples..... Clue, there's one or two on this very thread.
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BB
As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore.
It's a waste of time.
I have no allegiance to BST.
I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.
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TT, let's break this down a bit. This thread is about Boris being a liar. I'm not refuting that point. My point is, and always was, that all parties lie, including Labour. BST refutes that point, this time by saying Starmer didn't lie about the EU vaccine programme.
Look at his post number 201. Is that EVIDENCE, or in fact a lie?
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BB. Since you appear unwilling or unable to look into this issue yourself, I'll explain it patiently.
At the time of that Starmer "lie", the Tories had for weeks been using the line that under Starmer, we would have joined the EU vaccine programme, and vaccination roll out would have been delayed. They had for weeks been saying that was Labour's policy.
It wasn't.
Ever.
That was a straightforward lie. The Full Fact correction: C4 FactCheck organisation asked the Tories for evidence of that claim and were stonewalled. Labour had become increasingly exasperated in trying to counter this lie.
In Parliament that day, Johnson said (and here's the direct quote from Hansard) "If we had listened to the honourable gentleman, Mr Speaker, we would still be at the starting blocks (on vaccination), because he wanted to stay in the European Medicines Agency, Mr Speaker, and said so four times from that despatch box."
The EMA has nothing whatsoever to do with countries' ability to join or not join the EU vaccine programme. So this was a totally misleading statement.
Starmer lost his rag (which he shouldn't have done) and very angrily replied "The Prime Minister knows I’ve never said that, from this despatch box or anywhere else.”
That was incorrect. Starmer HAD said that his policy was to join the EMA. But he was clearly riled by Johnson's conflation of that with the EU vaccine programme, and it is obvious to any neutral observed that it was the vaccine programme that Starmer was referring to. In fact Starmer had never once said that we should join the vaccine programme.
But, technically, Starmer had misled the House of Commons.
When heads cleared, within a few hours, Labour issued a clear and unambiguous retraction of the claim that Starmer ad never said he wanted to join the EMA. The record was put straight. It was a mistake, speedily corrected. The irony is that it was an untruth said in the heat of the moment (and later retracted) whilst trying to counter an untruth said repeatedly over several weeks and NOT retracted. And you, BB, conclude from that that Starmer is a liar. Bizarre behaviour.
Compare and contrast to Johnson satanding in front of the House and saying GDP had gone up by 73% under the Tories since 2010.
It hadn't. It had gone up by 73% since 1990, with most of that rise coming under the Labour Govt. Since 2010, GDP under the Tories had gone up by 20%. Those are all incontrovertible facts.
It was pointed out to Johnson that he had misled the House. Result:Nothing. No apology, no explanation of the cause of the mistake. No correction or retraction. The record still shows Johnson claiming an outright untruth to be true.
BB. You could have looked all that up yourself. But you don't and you won't because, as I say, you are a WUM who isn't interested in informed debate. You want to cause needless fights. And then whine about it when people tell you that bluntly.
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I see Boris has had a discrete meeting with the 1922 comittee in the head masters office this morning.
Oh to be a fly on the wall for that one.
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BST
I don't get involved in these political arguments with BB, Belton et al anymore, and I've advised you more than once to do the same.
Bentley Bullet is either a complete WUM or just blind to any evidence you or anyone else provides on the objective truth as to what a nasty piece of work we have as a PM.
He just responds with infantile barbs and is not worth the effort.
Give over man.
...drums fingers while waiting for BB to call me a disciple.
Hey, Tommy. Have we ever even had an ‘argument’?
I don’t recall doing so - you must have been insignificantly wrong.
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BB. Since you appear unwilling or unable to look into this issue yourself, I'll explain it patiently.
At the time of that Starmer "lie", the Tories had for weeks been using the line that under Starmer, we would have joined the EU vaccine programme, and vaccination roll out would have been delayed. They had for weeks been saying that was Labour's policy.
It wasn't.
Ever.
That was a straightforward lie. The Full Fact correction: C4 FactCheck organisation asked the Tories for evidence of that claim and were stonewalled. Labour had become increasingly exasperated in trying to counter this lie.
In Parliament that day, Johnson said (and here's the direct quote from Hansard) "If we had listened to the honourable gentleman, Mr Speaker, we would still be at the starting blocks (on vaccination), because he wanted to stay in the European Medicines Agency, Mr Speaker, and said so four times from that despatch box."
The EMA has nothing whatsoever to do with countries' ability to join or not join the EU vaccine programme. So this was a totally misleading statement.
Starmer lost his rag (which he shouldn't have done) and very angrily replied "The Prime Minister knows I’ve never said that, from this despatch box or anywhere else.”
That was incorrect. Starmer HAD said that his policy was to join the EMA. But he was clearly riled by Johnson's conflation of that with the EU vaccine programme, and it is obvious to any neutral observed that it was the vaccine programme that Starmer was referring to. In fact Starmer had never once said that we should join the vaccine programme.
But, technically, Starmer had misled the House of Commons.
When heads cleared, within a few hours, Labour issued a clear and unambiguous retraction of the claim that Starmer ad never said he wanted to join the EMA. The record was put straight. It was a mistake, speedily corrected. The irony is that it was an untruth said in the heat of the moment (and later retracted) whilst trying to counter an untruth said repeatedly over several weeks and NOT retracted. And you, BB, conclude from that that Starmer is a liar. Bizarre behaviour.
Compare and contrast to Johnson satanding in front of the House and saying GDP had gone up by 73% under the Tories since 2010.
It hadn't. It had gone up by 73% since 1990, with most of that rise coming under the Labour Govt. Since 2010, GDP under the Tories had gone up by 20%. Those are all incontrovertible facts.
It was pointed out to Johnson that he had misled the House. Result:Nothing. No apology, no explanation of the cause of the mistake. No correction or retraction. The record still shows Johnson claiming an outright untruth to be true.
BB. You could have looked all that up yourself. But you don't and you won't because, as I say, you are a WUM who isn't interested in informed debate. You want to cause needless fights. And then whine about it when people tell you that bluntly.
Let's cut through the waffle. Why did Starmer admit that he was wrong and had made a mistake at PMQs?
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For f**k's sake. Because he said "The Prime Minister knows I’ve never said that, from this despatch box or anywhere else.” He mistakenly conflated the actual thing Johnson was accusing him of saying, with the claim that Johnson had made several times in recent weeks, that Starmer wanted us to join the vaccine programme.
That was techncally wrong. And when tempers cooled, it was quickly and publicly corrected.
Let me get this right. Are you saying anyone who ever says something that is factually incorrect is automatically a liar, even if they rapidly correct the record?
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BST
I don't get involved in these political arguments with BB, Belton et al anymore, and I've advised you more than once to do the same.
Bentley Bullet is either a complete WUM or just blind to any evidence you or anyone else provides on the objective truth as to what a nasty piece of work we have as a PM.
He just responds with infantile barbs and is not worth the effort.
Give over man.
...drums fingers while waiting for BB to call me a disciple.
Hey, Tommy. Have we ever even had an ‘argument’?
I don’t recall doing so - you must have been insignificantly wrong.
OK.
Months and months ago I used to contribute to these topics, when you and your Leader BB were spouting right wing bile and were obviously not willing to debate reasoned argument.
So I withdrew, due to the nastiness and complete ignorance of you and your leader's posts.
So perhaps we never had a direct 'argument' you're right.
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For f**k's sake. Because he said "The Prime Minister knows I’ve never said that, from this despatch box or anywhere else.” He mistakenly conflated the actual thing Johnson was accusing him of saying, with the claim that Johnson had made several times in recent weeks, that Starmer wanted us to join the vaccine programme.
That was techncally wrong. And when tempers cooled, it was quickly and publicly corrected.
Let me get this right. Are you saying anyone who ever says something that is factually incorrect is automatically a liar, even if they rapidly correct the record?
But you said Starmer apologised Immediately. He didn't. I'll accept you made a mistake.
Anyway.
Am I you saying anyone who ever says something that is factually incorrect is automatically a liar, even if they rapidly correct the record?
No. Like I've said before, in this very thread, in fact, we are all guilty of errors and inaccuracies in things we say.
The sad thing is that errors and inaccuracies are called lies if you're a Tory MP.
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BB
As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore.
It's a waste of time.
I have no allegiance to BST.
I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.
God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.
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BB
As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore.
It's a waste of time.
I have no allegiance to BST.
I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.
God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.
Well said
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That's good, coming from the bloke who probably started it!
(See post 180)
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BB. And you really don't get why I don't respect you? Dear God it's like arguing with a stroppy 7 year old.
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Bravo Billy! You should be really proud of yourself.
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Tommy. I’ve only ever voted Labour.
I just accept democratic elections/votes.
Starmer is more right wing than I am.
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BB
As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore.
It's a waste of time.
I have no allegiance to BST.
I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.
God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.
Yes you're right Macho.
Bentley Bullet comes across as an egotist who thinks he should be the number one voice of the Forum and has this warped idea that those who disagree with him must be the disciples of the person who calls him out on his failings.
Sad really, and I want no part of it.
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BB
As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore.
It's a waste of time.
I have no allegiance to BST.
I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.
God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.
Yes you're right Macho.
Bentley Bullet comes across as an egotist who thinks he should be the number one voice of the Forum and has this warped idea that those who disagree with him must be the disciples of the person who calls him out on his failings.
Sad really, and I want no part of it.
It's Wroey all over again.
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TT, I know you don't want to contribute anymore, after reading your last few contributions but are you suggesting that I disagree with BST more than he disagrees with me?
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My posts today were about not contributing and why.
I think me and Macho have explained it well.
There's a great song by Jethro Tull called 'Nothing to Say'
That's me now.
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BB
As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore.
It's a waste of time.
I have no allegiance to BST.
I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.
God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.
Do they remind you of this at all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ
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BB
As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore.
It's a waste of time.
I have no allegiance to BST.
I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.
God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.
Do they remind you of this at all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ
Who are the ‘they’ you refer to?
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BB
As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore.
It's a waste of time.
I have no allegiance to BST.
I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.
God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.
Do they remind you of this at all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ
Who are the ‘they’ you refer to?
The people that Macho are referring to, of course. Do try to keep up.
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BB
As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore.
It's a waste of time.
I have no allegiance to BST.
I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.
God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.
Do they remind you of this at all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ
Who are the ‘they’ you refer to?
The people that Macho are referring to, of course. Do try to keep up.
No you are not.
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Officers of 1922 Committe visited Downing Street this afternoon
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-25/prominent-u-k-tories-meet-boris-johnson-after-turbulent-weeks?utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=211125&utm_campaign=author_15116245
reputed to be 30 letters now in -54 needed to force a vote
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And then after BB acting like a ten-year-old we get belton's five-year-old's 'that's you that is' act.
Who?
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Just to help BB out here....
https://boris-johnson-lies.com/
That's why he liked Peppa Pig World so much. He's right at home in the middle of lots of porkies.
Least he didn't try to shag one of them, like one of his predecessors.
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Just to help BB out here....
https://boris-johnson-lies.com/
That's why he liked Peppa Pig World so much. He's right at home in the middle of lots of porkies.
Least he didn't try to shag one of them, like one of his predecessors.
It's only a matter of time with Boris...
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DOWN BUT NOT OUT! WHY WE MUST PUT FAITH IN BORIS
shouts the Daily Dribble, ''the only leader with the courage to see the UK through the tough times''
the only leader more concerned with redecorating and polishing his knob than running the country I think they mean.
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It’s being reported that a 2 week lockdown is coming straight after Xmas.
The Unclown yet again leaks bad news through the media grapevine rather than having the balls to tell the Nation himself.
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It’s being reported that a 2 week lockdown is coming straight after Xmas.
The Unclown yet again leaks bad news through the media grapevine rather than having the balls to tell the Nation himself.
I called it, his ego comes before the health of the nation, he was never going to lock down Christmas again
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It’s being reported that a 2 week lockdown is coming straight after Xmas.
The Unclown yet again leaks bad news through the media grapevine rather than having the balls to tell the Nation himself.
Just two days after he promised his party he would ask them first before imposing any new restrictions!
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It’s being reported that a 2 week lockdown is coming straight after Xmas.
The Unclown yet again leaks bad news through the media grapevine rather than having the balls to tell the Nation himself.
Just two days after he promised his party he would ask them first before imposing any new restrictions!
If he's not careful, people will start calling him a liar. And no one would support a liar. Would they??
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Yeah but what's the alternative? Starmer was recently filmed eating a rock cake on a visit to an old folks' home and saying "That's lovely". But he was clearly lying.
All the same, these politicians.
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Vote for Starmer then!
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Boris adds the final touches to his brexit plan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHTP5mDkskw
on his way out .................. one year hmmm
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It’s being reported that a 2 week lockdown is coming straight after Xmas.
The Unclown yet again leaks bad news through the media grapevine rather than having the balls to tell the Nation himself.
I called it, his ego comes before the health of the nation, he was never going to lock down Christmas again
True - after all he PROMISED this Xmas would be much better than last Xmas
Ironic though .... that the rules this year lets people hold parties BUT Govt says dont go to them whereas
.... last year Parties WERE not allowed yet loads of people incl Govt Departments held them anyway
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True - after all he PROMISED this Xmas would be much better than last Xmas
You can’t take his words as read, he was probably talking about himself and that he managed to bag himself a PS5 for Christmas in return for a few lordships and contracts to (mates).