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Just to help BB out here.... https://boris-johnson-lies.com/
BSTI don't get involved in these political arguments with BB, Belton et al anymore, and I've advised you more than once to do the same.Bentley Bullet is either a complete WUM or just blind to any evidence you or anyone else provides on the objective truth as to what a nasty piece of work we have as a PM. He just responds with infantile barbs and is not worth the effort. Give over man....drums fingers while waiting for BB to call me a disciple.
BB. Since you appear unwilling or unable to look into this issue yourself, I'll explain it patiently.At the time of that Starmer "lie", the Tories had for weeks been using the line that under Starmer, we would have joined the EU vaccine programme, and vaccination roll out would have been delayed. They had for weeks been saying that was Labour's policy.It wasn't.Ever.That was a straightforward lie. The Full Fact correction: C4 FactCheck organisation asked the Tories for evidence of that claim and were stonewalled. Labour had become increasingly exasperated in trying to counter this lie.In Parliament that day, Johnson said (and here's the direct quote from Hansard) "If we had listened to the honourable gentleman, Mr Speaker, we would still be at the starting blocks (on vaccination), because he wanted to stay in the European Medicines Agency, Mr Speaker, and said so four times from that despatch box."The EMA has nothing whatsoever to do with countries' ability to join or not join the EU vaccine programme. So this was a totally misleading statement.Starmer lost his rag (which he shouldn't have done) and very angrily replied "The Prime Minister knows I’ve never said that, from this despatch box or anywhere else.” That was incorrect. Starmer HAD said that his policy was to join the EMA. But he was clearly riled by Johnson's conflation of that with the EU vaccine programme, and it is obvious to any neutral observed that it was the vaccine programme that Starmer was referring to. In fact Starmer had never once said that we should join the vaccine programme.But, technically, Starmer had misled the House of Commons.When heads cleared, within a few hours, Labour issued a clear and unambiguous retraction of the claim that Starmer ad never said he wanted to join the EMA. The record was put straight. It was a mistake, speedily corrected. The irony is that it was an untruth said in the heat of the moment (and later retracted) whilst trying to counter an untruth said repeatedly over several weeks and NOT retracted. And you, BB, conclude from that that Starmer is a liar. Bizarre behaviour.Compare and contrast to Johnson satanding in front of the House and saying GDP had gone up by 73% under the Tories since 2010.It hadn't. It had gone up by 73% since 1990, with most of that rise coming under the Labour Govt. Since 2010, GDP under the Tories had gone up by 20%. Those are all incontrovertible facts.It was pointed out to Johnson that he had misled the House. Result:Nothing. No apology, no explanation of the cause of the mistake. No correction or retraction. The record still shows Johnson claiming an outright untruth to be true.BB. You could have looked all that up yourself. But you don't and you won't because, as I say, you are a WUM who isn't interested in informed debate. You want to cause needless fights. And then whine about it when people tell you that bluntly.
Quote from: tommy toes on November 25, 2021, 11:36:18 amBSTI don't get involved in these political arguments with BB, Belton et al anymore, and I've advised you more than once to do the same.Bentley Bullet is either a complete WUM or just blind to any evidence you or anyone else provides on the objective truth as to what a nasty piece of work we have as a PM. He just responds with infantile barbs and is not worth the effort. Give over man....drums fingers while waiting for BB to call me a disciple.Hey, Tommy. Have we ever even had an ‘argument’?I don’t recall doing so - you must have been insignificantly wrong.
BSTI don't get involved in these political arguments with BB, Belton et al anymore, and I've advised you more than once to do the same.Bentley Bullet is either a complete WUM or just blind to any evidence you or anyone else provides on the objective truth as to what a nasty piece of work we have as a PM. He just responds with infantile barbs and is not worth the effort. Give over man....drums fingers while waiting for BB to call me a disciple.
For f**k's sake. Because he said "The Prime Minister knows I’ve never said that, from this despatch box or anywhere else.” He mistakenly conflated the actual thing Johnson was accusing him of saying, with the claim that Johnson had made several times in recent weeks, that Starmer wanted us to join the vaccine programme.That was techncally wrong. And when tempers cooled, it was quickly and publicly corrected.Let me get this right. Are you saying anyone who ever says something that is factually incorrect is automatically a liar, even if they rapidly correct the record?
BB As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore. It's a waste of time.I have no allegiance to BST.I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.
Quote from: tommy toes on November 25, 2021, 12:01:08 pmBB As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore. It's a waste of time.I have no allegiance to BST.I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.
Quote from: MachoMadness on November 25, 2021, 03:23:00 pmQuote from: tommy toes on November 25, 2021, 12:01:08 pmBB As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore. It's a waste of time.I have no allegiance to BST.I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.Yes you're right Macho.Bentley Bullet comes across as an egotist who thinks he should be the number one voice of the Forum and has this warped idea that those who disagree with him must be the disciples of the person who calls him out on his failings.Sad really, and I want no part of it.
Quote from: tommy toes on November 25, 2021, 12:01:08 pmBB As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore. It's a waste of time.I have no allegiance to BST.I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.
BB As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore. It's a waste of time.I have no allegiance to BST.I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.
Quote from: Filo on November 25, 2021, 03:25:57 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on November 25, 2021, 03:23:00 pmQuote from: tommy toes on November 25, 2021, 12:01:08 pmBB As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore. It's a waste of time.I have no allegiance to BST.I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.Yes you're right Macho.Bentley Bullet comes across as an egotist who thinks he should be the number one voice of the Forum and has this warped idea that those who disagree with him must be the disciples of the person who calls him out on his failings.Sad really, and I want no part of it.It's Wroey all over again.
Quote from: MachoMadness on November 25, 2021, 03:23:00 pmQuote from: tommy toes on November 25, 2021, 12:01:08 pmBB As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore. It's a waste of time.I have no allegiance to BST.I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.Do they remind you of this at all?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 25, 2021, 04:47:38 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on November 25, 2021, 03:23:00 pmQuote from: tommy toes on November 25, 2021, 12:01:08 pmBB As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore. It's a waste of time.I have no allegiance to BST.I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.Do they remind you of this at all?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQWho are the ‘they’ you refer to?
Quote from: belton rover on November 25, 2021, 04:51:09 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on November 25, 2021, 04:47:38 pmQuote from: MachoMadness on November 25, 2021, 03:23:00 pmQuote from: tommy toes on November 25, 2021, 12:01:08 pmBB As I said I don't get involved in arguing with you anymore. It's a waste of time.I have no allegiance to BST.I just know he provides EVIDENCE to support his views (which are similar to mine) and you're just a ner ner ner merchant.God bless you for trying TT. I'm in much the same boat these days. I can't speak for you but I know I've had fairly robust disagreements with BST on many occasions. As have most of the so-called disciples. And yet when members of BB's tommy opposite gang throw out actual racist slurs, not one of them spoke up about it. I realised then there's no point in even posting really because BST is the final boss of the forum to this lot. Being right or even just being decent doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is winning an argument with him, any argument, and it's ruined the forum.Do they remind you of this at all?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQWho are the ‘they’ you refer to?The people that Macho are referring to, of course. Do try to keep up.
And then after BB acting like a ten-year-old we get belton's five-year-old's 'that's you that is' act.