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From the FT.Ravi Gupta, professor of clinical microbiology at Cambridge university and one of the leading scientists investigating new strains of Sars-Cov-2, told the Financial Times he had identified “worrying” cases of post-vaccination infection involving at least one of the new variants first identified in India — B.1.617.2The B.1.617.1 variant has a particular mutation, known as E484Q, that is often associated with vaccine escape. That mutation is not present in the B.1.617.2 variant, which has spread from India to roughly 40 countries around the world, but it does have a different mutation called T478K, about which little is known.“I’d put my money on the T487K mutation [causing breakthrough infections],” Gupta said.https://www.ft.com/content/5f742765-61ac-4da6-8c6f-49119cd7d46cI think that is enough of a worry to warrant caution in the UK now.
Quote from: River Don on May 12, 2021, 11:10:51 pmFrom the FT.Ravi Gupta, professor of clinical microbiology at Cambridge university and one of the leading scientists investigating new strains of Sars-Cov-2, told the Financial Times he had identified “worrying” cases of post-vaccination infection involving at least one of the new variants first identified in India — B.1.617.2The B.1.617.1 variant has a particular mutation, known as E484Q, that is often associated with vaccine escape. That mutation is not present in the B.1.617.2 variant, which has spread from India to roughly 40 countries around the world, but it does have a different mutation called T478K, about which little is known.“I’d put my money on the T487K mutation [causing breakthrough infections],” Gupta said.https://www.ft.com/content/5f742765-61ac-4da6-8c6f-49119cd7d46cI think that is enough of a worry to warrant caution in the UK now. that’s my point rd you have one expert that thinks it might evade the vaccine I have shown one that possibly thinks it won’t, if you lock down because of that you will be in lockdown for the rest of your life , people in any country will not accept that because of a possibility
COVID public inquiry not to start until Spring next year?Why? Govt has given no reason. Meanwhile, in entirely unrelated news, an expert told the BBC that it would take the inquiry at least 2, probably three years to produce a report. Meaning that it won't report on the disastrous decisions made by this Govt in 2020 until after the next election.I get the feeling that democratic accountability is evaporating before our very eyes.
Mistakes in Australia across all states have made more than enough mistakes but have been lucky in some circumstances and have contained outbreaks in many more due to thorough procedures.Those mistakes are well documented right down to genome testing to find the exact source of contact and then of course the cause, in the great majority of cases. But we are still making these mistakes and are having to have snap lockdowns if community transmission is found on subsequent days to the original transmission. Although risk is very low here, I had my first jab only yesterday, it's like being stuck in a hamster wheel.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 12, 2021, 03:30:05 pmCOVID public inquiry not to start until Spring next year?Why? Govt has given no reason. Meanwhile, in entirely unrelated news, an expert told the BBC that it would take the inquiry at least 2, probably three years to produce a report. Meaning that it won't report on the disastrous decisions made by this Govt in 2020 until after the next election.I get the feeling that democratic accountability is evaporating before our very eyes.That is a very narrow minded view BST.You should know that n inquiry of this magnitude can take years to be completed.Do you really think that all the evidence from all sides can be cobbled together in a few months.Look how long it took to complete other high profile inquiries, Hillsborough for example.This go go on to the GE after the next one.
Quote from: drfchound on May 13, 2021, 08:31:34 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 12, 2021, 03:30:05 pmCOVID public inquiry not to start until Spring next year?Why? Govt has given no reason. Meanwhile, in entirely unrelated news, an expert told the BBC that it would take the inquiry at least 2, probably three years to produce a report. Meaning that it won't report on the disastrous decisions made by this Govt in 2020 until after the next election.I get the feeling that democratic accountability is evaporating before our very eyes.That is a very narrow minded view BST.You should know that n inquiry of this magnitude can take years to be completed.Do you really think that all the evidence from all sides can be cobbled together in a few months.Look how long it took to complete other high profile inquiries, Hillsborough for example.This go go on to the GE after the next one.Hillsborough is a good example hound - of where a government with vested interest(s) can draw out holding and reporting of an inquiry where the wrongful action of their public servants endangered the lives of the general public.The man who 'got Brexit done' with no border in the Irish Sea, had a plan ready to go for social care in July 2019, would be introducing a bill to protect workers rights and was found to have illegaly prorogued Parliament, will have a full and open inquiry into his actions over the deaths of 120000 people - yeah right.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 13, 2021, 01:12:15 amMistakes in Australia across all states have made more than enough mistakes but have been lucky in some circumstances and have contained outbreaks in many more due to thorough procedures.Those mistakes are well documented right down to genome testing to find the exact source of contact and then of course the cause, in the great majority of cases. But we are still making these mistakes and are having to have snap lockdowns if community transmission is found on subsequent days to the original transmission. Although risk is very low here, I had my first jab only yesterday, it's like being stuck in a hamster wheel.What's the situation regarding funerals in Australia Sydney? My lovely aunt Judy died last week and her funeral is on the 26th May. Are the government allowing regular attendance at funerals or not and are folk allowed to travel freely between NSW and Queensland. Funeral is in Mudgeeraba and they're 'hoping' to have folk travelling from Sydney, Canberra and San Remo...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/covid-variant-found-in-india-may-delay-lifting-of-england-restrictions-minister-admits
Quote from: Metalmicky on May 13, 2021, 08:55:38 amQuote from: SydneyRover on May 13, 2021, 01:12:15 amMistakes in Australia across all states have made more than enough mistakes but have been lucky in some circumstances and have contained outbreaks in many more due to thorough procedures.Those mistakes are well documented right down to genome testing to find the exact source of contact and then of course the cause, in the great majority of cases. But we are still making these mistakes and are having to have snap lockdowns if community transmission is found on subsequent days to the original transmission. Although risk is very low here, I had my first jab only yesterday, it's like being stuck in a hamster wheel.What's the situation regarding funerals in Australia Sydney? My lovely aunt Judy died last week and her funeral is on the 26th May. Are the government allowing regular attendance at funerals or not and are folk allowed to travel freely between NSW and Queensland. Funeral is in Mudgeeraba and they're 'hoping' to have folk travelling from Sydney, Canberra and San Remo...Each state has it's own rules MM, atm one can travel interstate ........ but you could be held hostage if there's a snap lockdown. Governments are moving to short sharp circuit breaker lockdowns but if you are a close contact of someone with the virus it could mean quarantine for 2 weeks, without warning of course. The states are classifying areas as hotspots if there's an outbreak maybe a few suburbs or similar and restrict movements in and out and usually no interstate travel. It's quite safe here of course with few community transmissions but very low numbers of vaccinations. We won't be travelling anywhere interstate till this number rises, not due to the danger we just don't want to sit out quarantine for two weeks in a hotel where you more than likely have to pay for it.
Looks like it's running amok in India some awful scenes on the news today
Quote from: wilts rover on May 13, 2021, 08:56:45 amQuote from: drfchound on May 13, 2021, 08:31:34 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 12, 2021, 03:30:05 pmCOVID public inquiry not to start until Spring next year?Why? Govt has given no reason. Meanwhile, in entirely unrelated news, an expert told the BBC that it would take the inquiry at least 2, probably three years to produce a report. Meaning that it won't report on the disastrous decisions made by this Govt in 2020 until after the next election.I get the feeling that democratic accountability is evaporating before our very eyes.That is a very narrow minded view BST.You should know that n inquiry of this magnitude can take years to be completed.Do you really think that all the evidence from all sides can be cobbled together in a few months.Look how long it took to complete other high profile inquiries, Hillsborough for example.This go go on to the GE after the next one.Hillsborough is a good example hound - of where a government with vested interest(s) can draw out holding and reporting of an inquiry where the wrongful action of their public servants endangered the lives of the general public.The man who 'got Brexit done' with no border in the Irish Sea, had a plan ready to go for social care in July 2019, would be introducing a bill to protect workers rights and was found to have illegaly prorogued Parliament, will have a full and open inquiry into his actions over the deaths of 120000 people - yeah right.Wilts, with respect, none of that makes it take less than an age to conduct a major inquiry like the impending coronavirus one.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 13, 2021, 09:25:40 amQuote from: Metalmicky on May 13, 2021, 08:55:38 amQuote from: SydneyRover on May 13, 2021, 01:12:15 amMistakes in Australia across all states have made more than enough mistakes but have been lucky in some circumstances and have contained outbreaks in many more due to thorough procedures.Those mistakes are well documented right down to genome testing to find the exact source of contact and then of course the cause, in the great majority of cases. But we are still making these mistakes and are having to have snap lockdowns if community transmission is found on subsequent days to the original transmission. Although risk is very low here, I had my first jab only yesterday, it's like being stuck in a hamster wheel.What's the situation regarding funerals in Australia Sydney? My lovely aunt Judy died last week and her funeral is on the 26th May. Are the government allowing regular attendance at funerals or not and are folk allowed to travel freely between NSW and Queensland. Funeral is in Mudgeeraba and they're 'hoping' to have folk travelling from Sydney, Canberra and San Remo...Each state has it's own rules MM, atm one can travel interstate ........ but you could be held hostage if there's a snap lockdown. Governments are moving to short sharp circuit breaker lockdowns but if you are a close contact of someone with the virus it could mean quarantine for 2 weeks, without warning of course. The states are classifying areas as hotspots if there's an outbreak maybe a few suburbs or similar and restrict movements in and out and usually no interstate travel. It's quite safe here of course with few community transmissions but very low numbers of vaccinations. We won't be travelling anywhere interstate till this number rises, not due to the danger we just don't want to sit out quarantine for two weeks in a hotel where you more than likely have to pay for it.Apologies MM I should have expressed my condolences for the loss of your Aunt, SR
Thing is in India it’s clearly obvious that the numbers they are reporting are untrue
Quote from: bpoolrover on May 13, 2021, 11:05:20 amThing is in India it’s clearly obvious that the numbers they are reporting are untrueTell us the true ones and I'll believe you.