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No. I did. The vast majority of economists predict a very severe and very long term economic hit. Why don't you believe them?
Jacob Rees-Mogg said it'll take decades before we see benefit did he not? aye, f**kin get in!
I’m still waiting for somebody to answer this:Between 1993 & 2014 62% of laws introduced in the UK were to implement EU obligations, whether the UK voted for them or not. Why is this a good thing?
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 04, 2018, 03:55:45 pmI’m still waiting for somebody to answer this:Between 1993 & 2014 62% of laws introduced in the UK were to implement EU obligations, whether the UK voted for them or not. Why is this a good thing? We could have vetoed each and every one of them if we wanted to.EDIT: PS https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN07092
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 04, 2018, 03:55:45 pmI’m still waiting for somebody to answer this:Between 1993 & 2014 62% of laws introduced in the UK were to implement EU obligations, whether the UK voted for them or not. Why is this a good thing?Well, you've got the question the wrong way round. Why is it a bad thing?That's the way it goes. Surely the rationale behind a referendum is that there is something wrong (enough doubt) with the status quo - to warrant a vote about.
Quote from: Copps is Magic on December 04, 2018, 04:06:27 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 04, 2018, 03:55:45 pmI’m still waiting for somebody to answer this:Between 1993 & 2014 62% of laws introduced in the UK were to implement EU obligations, whether the UK voted for them or not. Why is this a good thing?Well, you've got the question the wrong way round. Why is it a bad thing?That's the way it goes. Surely the rationale behind a referendum is that there is something wrong (enough doubt) with the status quo - to warrant a vote about.No, the question isn’t the wrong way around. I voted to leave because I disagree with the EU having political influence in the U.K. However, if anyone can share why this benefits the UK then I’m quite happy to change my mind on the matter.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 04, 2018, 04:01:43 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 04, 2018, 03:55:45 pmI’m still waiting for somebody to answer this:Between 1993 & 2014 62% of laws introduced in the UK were to implement EU obligations, whether the UK voted for them or not. Why is this a good thing? We could have vetoed each and every one of them if we wanted to.EDIT: PS https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN07092You’ve missed an important bit though Glyn. The U.K. is able to veto some laws but for others it needs at least 3 allies to join its veto. If fewer than 4 countries oppose a law then its passed.
Are all the eu laws bad, or are many beneficial?
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 04, 2018, 04:29:27 pmQuote from: Copps is Magic on December 04, 2018, 04:06:27 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 04, 2018, 03:55:45 pmI’m still waiting for somebody to answer this:Between 1993 & 2014 62% of laws introduced in the UK were to implement EU obligations, whether the UK voted for them or not. Why is this a good thing?Well, you've got the question the wrong way round. Why is it a bad thing?That's the way it goes. Surely the rationale behind a referendum is that there is something wrong (enough doubt) with the status quo - to warrant a vote about.No, the question isn’t the wrong way around. I voted to leave because I disagree with the EU having political influence in the U.K. However, if anyone can share why this benefits the UK then I’m quite happy to change my mind on the matter.You're making a point about legal sovereignty, absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the content of whether those laws are good for society or not. Which is the question you think you're asking.You are aware what will happen? Because of the complexity - we will just adopt EU laws wholesale and call them 'domestic' laws changing absolutely little (in fact nothing at first) to do with their content.
IDS. It was Davis.And then there is the other issue which I've raised countless times and which no Brexit supporter has ever addressed. Why is it that the only two major world statesmen who support Hard Brexit are Putin and Trump? Do you think they have the best interests of the folk of Donny front and central in their minds?
I find this nonsense about the EU being undemocratic tragic.You vote for an MEP (votes which have incredibly poor public turnout). The MEP votes, the majority vote wins. Exactly the same as our domestic structure.I live in a large Labour area. Nearly everything the Tories propose is bad for us. Unfortunately, my Labour MP doesn't have sole veto powers, as otherwise nothing would ever get done.Fact is, we are a big name in the EU. We help run it. It's not Germany dictating everything like the Express would have you believe.And I would like to see one example of an EU law that is actively bad for British citizens. You know, like them human rights. Labour Laws. Food quality controls. Maternity Leave.
HAThe benefit is that we have unfettered access to the biggest and richest economic market in world history. That's how things work. You choose ceding a certain amount of choice for the economic benefits. And that's before you factor in what a right-wing Govt would do in this country if it was entirely free to make its own political decisions. On stuff like working conditions. Holiday pay. Maternity leave. Environmental regulations. Etc etc.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 04, 2018, 05:05:28 pmHAThe benefit is that we have unfettered access to the biggest and richest economic market in world history. That's how things work. You choose ceding a certain amount of choice for the economic benefits. And that's before you factor in what a right-wing Govt would do in this country if it was entirely free to make its own political decisions. On stuff like working conditions. Holiday pay. Maternity leave. Environmental regulations. Etc etc.Billy, Sorry, I didn’t see this reply before I posted earlier. No, this isn’t how things work, it’s how the EU had evolved into the beast that we have now. It has a huge amount of political control over member states and it’s ability to override its democratically elected governments and MEP’s. Just look at how the EU threatend sanctions against Italy if it didn’t amend its recent budget or how they’ve recently sued the Poland over its changes to its internal judiciary. These are all democratically elected governments who are being overuled by the EU! How can that be right?