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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 08, 2018, 11:48:15 amBBThen you want the EU to remove one of the key pillars of the Single Market, right?I think the lack of control of immigration was the main reason why the majority voted to leave. Don't you want any sort of control on immigration?
BBThen you want the EU to remove one of the key pillars of the Single Market, right?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 08, 2018, 11:24:28 amALYOUR lot said repeatedly during the campaign that Brexit would mean we'd be like Norway and Switzerland. And that we'd be £350m/week better off. And that we held all the cards in negotiations. And that 80 million Turks were about to descend on the UK. Here's a thought. Why don't we put to one side what anyone said in 2016 and start thinking like grown ups about where we are now?Speaking of voters who have changed their mind, I have friends who originally voted to leave who now say that in a second referendum, they would change their vote to remain.I haven’t spoken to any remainers who have said they would change their vote to leave.Look, I know I come over over the top on here, but i'm only taking the wee wee (most of the time ), but I think brushing aside a referendum held just two years ago is a bit strong, and in my opinion comes over as 'We'll keep voting until we get the right result'. It's all a bit banana republic.The result of REF1 must be upheld or millions such as myself would not bother taking part in the democratic process any longer. Is that really what we want? In all votes there are winners and losers, I believe the idea on REF2 being about how we leave would help bring together both sides of the argument and help heal the rift in the country. There you have it, AL the voice of reconciliation. Both sides give something, both sides get something. You can't say fairer than that. Next problem please? I ought to be in government except i'm not bent enough.
ALYOUR lot said repeatedly during the campaign that Brexit would mean we'd be like Norway and Switzerland. And that we'd be £350m/week better off. And that we held all the cards in negotiations. And that 80 million Turks were about to descend on the UK. Here's a thought. Why don't we put to one side what anyone said in 2016 and start thinking like grown ups about where we are now?
Heard this on radio 4 this morning, unfortunately did not catch the name of the chap speaking but he suggested a way forward which would maybe be acceptable to all and break through the current stalemateHe suggested a second referendum, but only a referendum on how we leave.The first referendum result stands and we still leave, however the second one is a decision between no deal, deal, etc. Maybe a way forward, as at the moment no-one is happy, at least this way everyone thinks they are gaining something?Stands back and prepares for verbal assault.
BST,Sorry, but I think you are as wrong as a wrong thing on this one!Unless I have misread, you are saying there should be a new referendum to consider options long since dead and buried.The earliest that any new referendum could be called is going to be well into next year. By then, the May deal will be a long forgotten footnote to the debate.No deal will still exist in theory, but cannot get past the UK parliamentary arithmetic.The EU legal opinion that the UK could retract from the March departure is there to give wriggle room. In other words, if we decide on another tack once Treeza's non-runner is euthanised, then accomodation will be made.You are making the mistake of assuming that the options are fixed. This is the May propaganda line she has been peddling like snake oil around the country.I start from the perspective that all positions are provisional, and subject to revision.I can guarentee that Norway Plus will be the next staging post after the vote on tuesday.As I have said before, I am commenting on what I think will happen, not what I think should happen!
I'm sure it was BB. There were people on here saying they were voting Leave because of Kosovans and Somalians and Pakistanis. What I want is irrelevant here. We're addressing the issue of what you think the EU should have ceded to us.The other countries in the EU don't away with FoM because, on balance, they prefer to have it. If we wanted the EU to change that, maybe we could have been having a grown up discussion with them over the past many years, instead of shouting the odds at them and blaming the EU for our ills. If we don't want the benefits that coming with FoM (and there are many) we can drop out if it of course. And lose the benefits of the Single Market.
AuckleyI keep hearing how another referendum that has Remain as the outcome would split the country. In fact, people are now saying it will lead to far-right violence. Just sit back and reflect on what you are saying. A vote that showed that the majority of people in the country wanted Remain shouldn't happen because of the effect it would have on the minority.
FoM, all these people taking jobs and annoying locals, something has to be done.Brits abroad: how many people from the UK live in other EU countries?1.3 million people born in the UK live in other EU countries, according to 2017 estimates from the United Nations (UN). Around 900,000 UK citizens were long-term residents in other EU countries in 2010 and 2011, according to census data across the EU collated by the Office for National Statistics (ONS).