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As it's blindingly obvious that agreement cannot be found by the politicians then a second vote with options should be had or we stay. 6,044,432 signatures
Do you think it would do any good donny? We could well be in exactly the same position as now
General election incoming?
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on April 01, 2019, 10:50:56 pmGeneral election incoming?That's one option and the Cabinet will discuss it tomorrow. But that will need an extension and I'm not sure the EU will grant it.I'm not a betting man, but I think "No Deal By Default" is now favourite. Unless MPs swallow hard and say they will accept May's Deal as a less worse alternative. Personally I can't see that.PS. Having seen Anna Soubry on TV it seems that the TIG/ Tinge lot didn't vote for either the CU or CM 2.0. Talk about Hard Remain. Then she had the gall to express sympathy for Boles, who seems an honourable man. Hypocrite.
Quote from: The Red Baron on April 01, 2019, 10:57:56 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 01, 2019, 10:50:56 pmGeneral election incoming?That's one option and the Cabinet will discuss it tomorrow. But that will need an extension and I'm not sure the EU will grant it.I'm not a betting man, but I think "No Deal By Default" is now favourite. Unless MPs swallow hard and say they will accept May's Deal as a less worse alternative. Personally I can't see that.PS. Having seen Anna Soubry on TV it seems that the TIG/ Tinge lot didn't vote for either the CU or CM 2.0. Talk about Hard Remain. Then she had the gall to express sympathy for Boles, who seems an honourable man. Hypocrite.Yeah, quite daft of TIG. They're so pro-Peoples Vote they'd rather not vote for CU and we end up with no deal.
How close are we to Civil unrest?Everyone is sick to the back teeth of this
Syd that is 11 million short
I can kinda agree with this.https://mobile.twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1112844097033732098?p=v
Leave with a properly negotiated deal would be my preferred option, but no deal is what we probably deserve. And the sun will shine the day after, you will all still have to go to work, and a few days after everyone will be thinking what was all the fuss about. The only certain thing will be that the market makers in the city of London will have made a killing, and will be looking at the EU and if there is any weakness in its make up, probably the Mediterranean countries they will go after their scalps like a pack of Hyenas, and sod anyone else, there's money to be made.
So. To summarise.May's deal is a non-starter.Parliament can't agree on any alternative. No Deal is the default, but is supported only by about 1/3rd of MPs and 1/3rd of the public and was never seriously discussed in 2016.So there's nothing that has a democratic mandate in the House or in the Country. Reight f**king mess young Dave tipped us into before f**king off, eh?
https://mobile.twitter.com/MShepheard/status/1112833986680840193/photo/1Every single vote tonight would have gone through (or at least tied) if not for Labour MPs who abstained. Shame on them. And 10 times that shame on the ones who voted against CM2.0 and Ref2. They are tipping us perilously close to a No Deal outcome that will devastate their constituencies.
Please excuse my ignorance on this but does no deal make the ‘divorce settlement’ null and void?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 02, 2019, 12:52:21 amhttps://mobile.twitter.com/MShepheard/status/1112833986680840193/photo/1Every single vote tonight would have gone through (or at least tied) if not for Labour MPs who abstained. Shame on them. And 10 times that shame on the ones who voted against CM2.0 and Ref2. They are tipping us perilously close to a No Deal outcome that will devastate their constituencies. Would we not just say the same of the Tories that voted against may?The obvious solution is perhaps a general election but the big issue is what happens if the same mps are returned? Or what would the party policies be and would people vote purely on Brexit?
Interesting observation from Vince cable. TIG and several LDs voted against CU and CM2.0. Because they want Ref2.So, had there been an option for either of those PLUS Ref2, TIG and LD would have flipped and those votes would have gone the other way.Is that the way out?EDIT. Scrap that. Head not screwed on. If they tagged a Ref onto the CU or CM2.0 options, a dozen or two Tory MPs would vote against it.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 02, 2019, 12:06:02 amInteresting observation from Vince cable. TIG and several LDs voted against CU and CM2.0. Because they want Ref2.So, had there been an option for either of those PLUS Ref2, TIG and LD would have flipped and those votes would have gone the other way.Is that the way out?EDIT. Scrap that. Head not screwed on. If they tagged a Ref onto the CU or CM2.0 options, a dozen or two Tory MPs would vote against it. To me, this is where they are getting it wrong. Voting for a CU doesn't rule out a Second Referendum. You should only vote against something you really don't want, eg No Deal.