Brexit Negotiations

[Ldr]

Politics is in a very bad place atm. Neither main party is fit to govern or has any credible politicians in my humble opinion

[BillyStubbsTears]

Then Brexit will mean Brex something else.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Interesting news today (no not that the EU have already ruled out May's preferred future option before the Chequers meeting has decided whether or not they agree with it!) but McDonnell signalling that Labour will support the Tory rebels amendment to the Trade Bill forcing the government to negotiate to stay in the Customs Union.

 Which could lead to May loosing a vote on the one point she has been very definate about...well then what?

Then what? David Davies will half-heartedly ask Barnier if they the UK can stay in the Customs Union but neither pay for the privilege nor be bound by any of the rules. Barnier will quite rightly tell him to bugger off, so then Davies will say 'Well, I negotiated.'

[Sprotyrover]

A few papers including the Telegraph claiming the EU has hinted that British Driving licences may not be recognised in Europe after Brexit.
A bit silly if it's true and a very childish negative attitude on their part.

[DevilMayCry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1StxuA3pCI

[Glyn_Wigley]

A few papers including the Telegraph claiming the EU has hinted that British Driving licences may not be recognised in Europe after Brexit.
A bit silly if it's true and a very childish negative attitude on their part.

This is what people who voted leave wanted, isn't it?

Brexit means Brexit!

[Donnywolf]

Politics is in a very bad place atm. Neither main party is fit to govern or has any credible politicians in my humble opinion

PR anyone for a more representative way to Govern / be Goverened ? Keeps out extremism either way

I think it is 1931 since the "winning" Party in a General Election got more than 50% of the votes cast and there have been Lanslides when the winning Party have got only 42% of the Votes cast

If its good enough for the majority of modern Democracies why not us as well ?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Politics is in a very bad place atm. Neither main party is fit to govern or has any credible politicians in my humble opinion

PR anyone for a more representative way to Govern / be Goverened ? Keeps out extremism either way

I think it is 1931 since the "winning" Party in a General Election got more than 50% of the votes cast and there have been Lanslides when the winning Party have got only 42% of the Votes cast

If its good enough for the majority of modern Democracies why not us as well ?

But the EU Parliament is just like that, and according to some the EU isn't democratic!

[Filo]

A few papers including the Telegraph claiming the EU has hinted that British Driving licences may not be recognised in Europe after Brexit.
A bit silly if it's true and a very childish negative attitude on their part.

Well we could reciprocate that and create thousands of Lorry Driving jobs


And probably make our roads safer at the same time

[BillyStubbsTears]

Not much point Filo.

Uber and Google will have driverless lorries doing most long distance stuff within a decade. There’s a panic starting to develop in the USA over that. A decent proportion of the workforce there earn their living in jobs related to road transportation. It’s not unrealistic to think that a large proportion of them might not have jobs by 2030.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2017/03/27/445638.htm

It’s being talked of as being the same level of industrial revolution as the mechanisation of agriculture that put huge numbers of farm labourers out of work in Britain in the 1700-1800s. But that happened over 50 years and occurred as new jobs were becoming available in factories. They are talking about the driverless vehicle revolution happening over a decade with no obvious alternative jobs for people to move into.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Sounds like what happened when they shut the pits.

[BillyStubbsTears]

True, but the job losses in the mining industry in the 80s totted up to about 0.5% of the U.K. workforce. In the USA, they reckon about 4% of the workforce are drivers.

[Sprotyrover]

It won't take on here, our roads are such a mess and full of nob heads driving to very low standards

[Filo]

It won't take on here, our roads are such a mess and full of nob heads driving to very low standards

I'm not sure it will happen here either, there are big insurance implications if you have an accident with a driverless vehicle, whos to blame? Where does the wittness statement come from driverless vehicles etc.

[RedJ]

It won't take on here, our roads are such a mess and full of nob heads driving to very low standards

You say that but statistically  - and from experience (both of which the speed awareness course agrees with) - we certainly have among the best drivers in Europe and probably beyond.

[BillyStubbsTears]

In the UK, there's roughly 1 person in every 40,000 in the country who gets killed in a road crash each year. In the USA it's about 1 in 8000.

So the USA has far more dangerous roads/drivers than we have. And they are not exactly known for having gentle, unaggressive compensation lawyers. Yet driverless vehicles are being pushed very hard over there. Can't see any reason why they won't be pushed hard here also.

Filo. No need for a witness statement. There'll be computer records and all-round video cameras capturing every millisecond of data.

[albie]

All the major manufacturers are moving into electric cars. That is happening now.
To future proof those vehicles they will need to include an AI capability.

If autonomous vehicles are safer than human drivers, then the Insurers will ramp up premiums for unsafe drivers (humans) driving unsafe vehicles (petrol/diesel without AI).

By the time electric and AI enabled vehicles are mainstream (say 2022 ish), the alternatives are going to look expensive and obsolete.

This will all happen Brexit or not.

[SydneyRover]

In the UK, there's roughly 1 person in every 40,000 in the country who gets killed in a road crash each year. In the USA it's about 1 in 8000.

So the USA has far more dangerous roads/drivers than we have. And they are not exactly known for having gentle, unaggressive compensation lawyers. Yet driverless vehicles are being pushed very hard over there. Can't see any reason why they won't be pushed hard here also.

Filo. No need for a witness statement. There'll be computer records and all-round video cameras capturing every millisecond of data.

The high number of deaths on the roads in the US may be due to poor public transport options, more people driving?

This is an artilcle from 2013

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2013/sep/03/bus-public-transport-road-deaths

[Sprotyrover]

South Yorkshire roads deaths rose from 24 in 2016 to 60 in 2017. We are starting to pay the price for lack of investment in Roads Policing

[Sprotyrover]

Ha... there is a 180 billion euro shortfall in the EEC Green budget which must be achieved by 2020 and the EEC expects the UK to contribute more on defence spending, Border controls and the Policing  of illegal immigration.

No wonder they are crapping themselves and making childish threats to the UK about banning UK driving licences!

Pah!,  the sooner we cut ourselves free of this Deadman the Better.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Ha... there is a 180 billion euro shortfall in the EEC Green budget which must be achieved by 2020 and the EEC expects the UK to contribute more on defence spending, Border controls and the Policing  of illegal immigration.

No wonder they are crapping themselves and making childish threats to the UK about banning UK driving licences!

Pah!,  the sooner we cut ourselves free of this Deadman the Better.

FFS!! We voted to leave the EU and now you're whinging that the EU are going to treat us the same as they treat every other non-EU country after we leave! And yet it's the Remainers who get labelled as moaners!

[idler]

I can't see car hire companies and hotels and gite owners welcoming such a move.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I can't see car hire companies and hotels and gite owners welcoming such a move.

Then they should 'get over it' like the rest of us!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sweet Jesus Sproty this infantile story about the EU “threatening” to ban our driving licences.

Have some pride man! Read beyond the headlines and look at the truth of the story. What’s happened is that the EU has commissioned reports into the potential consequences of us leaving. One of the issues set out was that, ascthings currently stand, Brexit means that, “...all current EU law-based rights, obligations and benefits [would] cease” which means the “end of mutual recognition of driving licences, vehicle registration documents and certificates of professional competence for drivers”.

That s not a childish threat. It’s a statement if the bleeding obvious that will happen inevitably as a result of our decision to leave.

If you do nothing but read slanted and twisted stories from people who want you to believe the EU are cheating devious bas**rds, then you’ll believe the EU are cheat devious bas**rds.

[Glyn_Wigley]

What do you expect Billy, when Brexiters been lied to from the start and told to expect the EU to lie down and let us have whatever we want 'because the EU needs us more than we need them', even though the reality has been there for all to see from way before the referendum took place? And now that the reality of what Brexit really means is coming home to roost, it's all the fault of the 'evil EU'.

PS If you want to have a good (but hollow) laugh, go on BBC iplayer and watch Liam Fox's pitiful attempts to avoid answering a direct question about this very subject on this morning's Andrew Marr show. He even trotted out the 'EU needs us so they must give us what we want' line on that, too.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I saw it this morning. It was like being in a time warp back to May 2016. As though nothing had happened in the past 12 months.

Biggest issue for the country in 75 years and its being handle by a third-rate serial failure of a politician like Fox. God help us.

[Sprotyrover]

Ok ladies just to let you know Fox hasn't got a clue, the are conventions governing driving licences and Motor Insurance that pre date Our Membership of the EEC which will facilitate a smooth and seamless Brexit on this issue.

[Sprotyrover]

 If You doubt me Google "Can I drive in the uk with a Canadian Driving licence or can I drive in the Uk with a Pakistan Driving Licence,
For the EEC crackpots to make such shallow threats is beyond infantile.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty

Aye. So you’ll just need to pay £6, get two passport photos taken and get an IDP whenever you want to hire a car in the EU.

But regardless of that minor inconvenience, that’s not the point is it. The point is that once again, you are parroting bullshit fed to you by the Brexit Press, who tell you that the EU are being horrible, unfair, nasty bullies, when all the EU is actually doing is setting out the simple consequences of this stupid decision that you have taken.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Ok ladies just to let you know Fox hasn't got a clue, the are conventions governing driving licences and Motor Insurance that pre date Our Membership of the EEC which will facilitate a smooth and seamless Brexit on this issue.

So what the f**k are the Telegraph - and then you - getting your knickers in a twist about then?