Labour U Turns Part 164

[Bristol Red Rover]

At least we have more choice here than Russia. However bad the choices are.

Glad that pacifies your soul. Something's working eh?

[idler]

At least we have more choice here than Russia. However bad the choices are.

Glad that pacifies your soul. Something's working eh?

It doesn’t but there are far worse places to be as a voter.

[roverstillidie91]

At least we have more choice here than Russia. However bad the choices are.

if we come out the ECHR it may become reality

[SydneyRover]

At least we have more choice here than Russia. However bad the choices are.

if we come out the ECHR it may become reality

''if, may''

[BillyStubbsTears]

"all 6 or 7 million union members should mobilise and vote against Labour which would cause some serious damage"

And return a Tory government.

Can't beat The Left can you?

Can't have exactly what I want? Then let's have the Tories in power for the next generation.

I used to know someone in the SWP who bragged of voting for Thatcher and agitating on the shop floor in the Winter of Discontent to humiliate the Labour Govt. His argument was that Labour made things better for the workers, and what was needed was for someone to make things harder for workers. Because if that didn't happen, the workers would never rise up and destroy Capitalism.

Silly f**king Kitson.

[roverstillidie91]

"all 6 or 7 million union members should mobilise and vote against Labour which would cause some serious damage"

And return a Tory government.

Can't beat The Left can you?

Can't have exactly what I want? Then let's have the Tories in power for the next generation.

I used to know someone in the SWP who bragged of voting for Thatcher and agitating on the shop floor in the Winter of Discontent to humiliate the Labour Govt. His argument was that Labour made things better for the workers, and what was needed was for someone to make things harder for workers. Because if that didn't happen, the workers would never rise up and destroy Capitalism.

Silly f**king Kitson.

whose a silly f**king kitson?

[albie]

BST is the SF Kitson, for not understanding that the reason many folk vote is for a change of policy from the government, not for a continuation of the same thing.
We now have 3 parties, blue, red and orange, that all belong to funding sponsors and all offer slightly different versions of failed neo-liberal economic policies.

All it means is that on key policy areas there will be a continuity of approach.
This is what city investors want to see, so that they can plan their strategies without potential hiccups.

Meanwhile, social priorities will remain second order considerations, which may get some sticking plasters, but not the structural reforms that will address the issues.
That is what we have, and it is piss poor.

[ncRover]

It’s pretty clear to read that the silly kitson he meant is the bloke in his story

[roverstillidie91]

BST is the SF Kitson, for not understanding that the reason many folk vote is for a change of policy from the government, not for a continuation of the same thing.
We now have 3 parties, blue, red and orange, that all belong to funding sponsors and all offer slightly different versions of failed neo-liberal economic policies.

All it means is that on key policy areas there will be a continuity of approach.
This is what city investors want to see, so that they can plan their strategies without potential hiccups.

Meanwhile, social priorities will remain second order considerations, which may get some sticking plasters, but not the structural reforms that will address the issues.
That is what we have, and it is piss poor.

it's just the typical attitude you get from most people basically just put up or shut up and stick with the established parties.

People are discontented with the political parties.

[danumdon]

The electorate need to grow a backbone and demand change.

It happened in France and Canada, it needs to happen here. We need shot of this disgraceful professional political class who have no ones interests at heart except for themselves first and foremost followed by their shadowy political masters.

We need to somehow manage to persuade professional and technical specialists (none political) who can give some time to helping to set the country straight and give meaningful direction to a politicised civil service who need to be reigned in and made to do their jobs, not dictate what gets decided upon.

[roverstillidie91]

The electorate need to grow a backbone and demand change.

It happened in France and Canada, it needs to happen here. We need shot of this disgraceful professional political class who have no ones interests at heart except for themselves first and foremost followed by their shadowy political masters.

We need to somehow manage to persuade professional and technical specialists (none political) who can give some time to helping to set the country straight and give meaningful direction to a politicised civil service who need to be reigned in and made to do their jobs, not dictate what gets decided upon.

there are plenty of resources especially on social media why we need change especially PR a party can get 7 million votes but get only 1 seat.

We are too tolerant as a society that's the problem I'm not saying we should demand absolutely everything but we don't negotiate.

[roverstillidie91]

There's a lot of disinformation especially in the MSM which supports the political parties narrative and its trying to separate fact from dishonest information.
The country is in such a mess

It is a myth that there is a notion yes working people have come a long way but going back to what I'd say is akin to dickensian type of living conditions for the majority of the public basically we are slaves.

[albie]

It’s pretty clear to read that the silly kitson he meant is the bloke in his story

The bloke in the story does sound like a Kitson, but the trouble is we are surrounded by Kitsons.

The Johnson Kitson, followed by the Truss version, then the Sunak alternative, and after the GE a new set of complete Kitsons.
Maybe the UK needs to be renamed Kitson Island!

[Sprotyrover]

Any chance of some Policy from Labour? I would consider voting for them if they Cut Taxes….But we all know that will go the other way.
Where are all these Billionaires they gonna Hammer? Isle Oman, Virgin Islands etc,

[BillyStubbsTears]

Looks like Keith has pulled the proposed New Deal on Workers Rights.

Here is the FT summary:
https://www.ft.com/content/fe1608d1-3a61-43a0-9c17-2868c40821c2

Sharon Graham from Unite reckons it is a goner!
https://nitter.poast.org/UniteSharon/status/1788231614427799593#m

Surprised you haven't posted this Albie.

https://twitter.com/unitetheunion/status/1790458882927608032

Did I say "surprised". Sorry, that was daft of me.

[albie]

BST,

Your beef is really with Sharon Graham, you might ask her why what she described as "a betrayal" has now been airbrushed for public consumption.

As you know, other union leaders also took a critical position.
Keith decided on Tuesday to row back, avoiding a another breach with Labour in Scotland.

Sharon has form, as this piece sets out;
https://skwawkbox.org/2024/05/14/video-graham-cosies-with-starmer-yet-again-and-self-owns-massively/

"The package, which aims to reform workers' rights and which Labour previously pledged to implement within 100 days of being in government, includes a higher sick pay rate, the end of “fire and rehire” and the banning of zero-hour contracts".
 
It might be papering over the cracks for pre election purposes, or maybe Keith will be held to it.
Certainly progress if it actually happens.

Trouble is he has a history of telling porkies, and then denying it.
Hardly trustworthy, is he?

[BillyStubbsTears]

f**k me, Sharon Graham is a centrist mum now, is she?