0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
The EU have already put out a statement saying they will reject the Brady amendment. And yet our MPs are still voting on it and May is still backing it publicly. It's being debated as we speak. It's like having a debate over what the Rovers score was on Saturday. It's been and gone already! It's decided! I do feel like we're in the Twilight Zone here.
Quote from: MachoMadness on January 29, 2019, 06:46:36 pmThe EU have already put out a statement saying they will reject the Brady amendment. And yet our MPs are still voting on it and May is still backing it publicly. It's being debated as we speak. It's like having a debate over what the Rovers score was on Saturday. It's been and gone already! It's decided! I do feel like we're in the Twilight Zone here.And incredibly, the amendment has been passed. Batshit crazy, this.
Kick the can down the road as a political strategy, we have nothing else to offer!Pretend to enter"negotiations", then blame the EU for not accepting changes to the agreement put in place by her own red lines when she agreed the terms.May is using delay as a tactic to make the meaningful vote (when it comes) a straight choice between her wretched deal and a toxic no deal. She knows the ERG will back no deal, and that the HoC numbers opposed to that makes her option preferable, despite being shite.Treeza is also thinking that the 14 Labour MP's who defied the party whip will continue to offset her own refuseniks, giving her the numbers to push it over the line.She can play on the insecurities of Labour members from Leave supporting areas for game management.The 14 need to ask themselves if their constituents will be in a better place as a result of a May deal going forward.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/29/labour-mps-rebel-vote-down-yvette-cooper-no-deal-amendmentStruggling to see it myself!Lets see if anyone finds some backbone when she returns with a heroic failure in 2 weeks time!
Quote from: albie on January 30, 2019, 11:40:06 amKick the can down the road as a political strategy, we have nothing else to offer!Pretend to enter"negotiations", then blame the EU for not accepting changes to the agreement put in place by her own red lines when she agreed the terms.May is using delay as a tactic to make the meaningful vote (when it comes) a straight choice between her wretched deal and a toxic no deal. She knows the ERG will back no deal, and that the HoC numbers opposed to that makes her option preferable, despite being shite.Treeza is also thinking that the 14 Labour MP's who defied the party whip will continue to offset her own refuseniks, giving her the numbers to push it over the line.She can play on the insecurities of Labour members from Leave supporting areas for game management.The 14 need to ask themselves if their constituents will be in a better place as a result of a May deal going forward.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/29/labour-mps-rebel-vote-down-yvette-cooper-no-deal-amendmentStruggling to see it myself!Lets see if anyone finds some backbone when she returns with a heroic failure in 2 weeks time!A good theory, let down by the fact she can't present her deal to the House again in it's present form because it's already been voted down.
Glyn,As I posted further up the thread, the May deal is now "May as amended", so will come to the HoC as such in 2 weeks.Further amendments will be tabled once she returns. It is then that we will see movement in the votes as variations are re-submitted.As TRB says, GE and Ref2 are not in the game until the numbers realign around the revised amendments. They MAY come back into play, but it is not a given.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 30, 2019, 01:03:33 pmQuote from: albie on January 30, 2019, 11:40:06 amKick the can down the road as a political strategy, we have nothing else to offer!Pretend to enter"negotiations", then blame the EU for not accepting changes to the agreement put in place by her own red lines when she agreed the terms.May is using delay as a tactic to make the meaningful vote (when it comes) a straight choice between her wretched deal and a toxic no deal. She knows the ERG will back no deal, and that the HoC numbers opposed to that makes her option preferable, despite being shite.Treeza is also thinking that the 14 Labour MP's who defied the party whip will continue to offset her own refuseniks, giving her the numbers to push it over the line.She can play on the insecurities of Labour members from Leave supporting areas for game management.The 14 need to ask themselves if their constituents will be in a better place as a result of a May deal going forward.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/29/labour-mps-rebel-vote-down-yvette-cooper-no-deal-amendmentStruggling to see it myself!Lets see if anyone finds some backbone when she returns with a heroic failure in 2 weeks time!A good theory, let down by the fact she can't present her deal to the House again in it's present form because it's already been voted down.I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, but surely if she goes to Brussels and comes back with no changes to the Withdrawal Agreement she can re-present it as the EU's final offer? Also, might some changes to the Political Declaration, where there might be some wriggle room, constitute a change to the package MPs voted on last time? The only other things to break the log-jam are a General Election or another Referendum. Corbyn's No-Confidence motion proved there wasn't support for a GE. At the moment, there aren't anything like enough MPs in favour of Ref2.
This is all about positioning for the forthcoming Blame Game when we're faced with the real decision in February - Accept May's original deal, crash out with No Deal or go for Ref2.Of those three alternatives, the first is unrealistic given the opposition to it two weeks ago and the second would be lunacy. So the third will happen.
Does anyone in the real world actually understand what the f**k is going on with brexit, apart from the usual dick waving politicking.??