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The decision not to play Sadlier in the recent games is just bizarre, and I thinkDM needs to explain it. He’d been in arguably his best form of the season and is our biggest goal threat by some distance. The tinkering with the team is crazy. DM shouldn’t be above criticism, this has been poor management.
Quote from: Metalmicky on February 24, 2020, 08:42:20 amPeople talk about mental steel, but at the same time concede that we are out of the running for a play-off place with 36 points to play for and Rovers being (potentially) only 4 points of a play-off's spot.....It ain’t over yet of course mathematically. But we need 8 wins and 2 draws minimum imo from 12 games of which 8 of those 12 are away from home. Now even i think that’s a tall order. So we keep going of course but it will take a monumental effort now to achieve the play offs.
People talk about mental steel, but at the same time concede that we are out of the running for a play-off place with 36 points to play for and Rovers being (potentially) only 4 points of a play-off's spot.....
Quote from: Jonathan on February 22, 2020, 08:16:15 pmThe decision not to play Sadlier in the recent games is just bizarre, and I thinkDM needs to explain it. He’d been in arguably his best form of the season and is our biggest goal threat by some distance. The tinkering with the team is crazy. DM shouldn’t be above criticism, this has been poor management. How's it crazy? He's being pragmatic and picking the team based on the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. Should he just pick the 11 technically best players over the team he thinks will exploit their weaknesses?
Genuine question, do Brentford and Barnsley have many loan players.
Quote from: drfchound on February 24, 2020, 10:55:16 amGenuine question, do Brentford and Barnsley have many loan players.Not sure about Brentford but we don't do loans in the same way Rovers do .We have one loan player at the club at the moment a young 19 year old German right back with an option to sign in the summer .
Quote from: tyke1962 on February 24, 2020, 05:25:30 pmQuote from: drfchound on February 24, 2020, 10:55:16 amGenuine question, do Brentford and Barnsley have many loan players.Not sure about Brentford but we don't do loans in the same way Rovers do .We have one loan player at the club at the moment a young 19 year old German right back with an option to sign in the summer .That’s the way I believe we should do with loans but we couldn’t do financially so they come in and they go home.
Quote from: Jonathan on February 22, 2020, 08:16:15 pmThe decision not to play Sadlier in the recent games is just bizarre, and I thinkDM needs to explain it. He’d been in arguably his best form of the season and is our biggest goal threat by some distance. The tinkering with the team is crazy. DM shouldn’t be above criticism, this has been poor management. I might be wrong, but my theory is it could be something to do with him not signing a contract yet
There's one thing you're forgetting in all of this Tyke. Despite being a much smaller town, Barnsley are a much bigger club than Donny. Bigger stadium, bigger attendances, bigger budget, richer owners.As a club, we can't compete with the likes of Barnsley, and I doubt that we ever will.
Quote from: steve@dcfd on February 24, 2020, 05:48:22 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on February 24, 2020, 05:25:30 pmQuote from: drfchound on February 24, 2020, 10:55:16 amGenuine question, do Brentford and Barnsley have many loan players.Not sure about Brentford but we don't do loans in the same way Rovers do .We have one loan player at the club at the moment a young 19 year old German right back with an option to sign in the summer .That’s the way I believe we should do with loans but we couldn’t do financially so they come in and they go home.The average age of the squad this season was 22 years old , it's probably gone up a little with the arrival of Sollbauer who is 29 and Ritzmaier who is 27 last month .This was the starting point in 2015 for my club , only sign young players under the age of 24 so they could be developed and sold on at a decent profit .For three years up until last month we've not signed one player over 24 years of age .In my opinion you can get be very successful in League One with a young team but at championship level you need at least three in the team who are experienced because the demands are so much higher , something we've failed to acknowledge up until last month and the last time we were in the championship .The club are on the record that they will not develop players for other clubs , absolutely not .It's one thing for Rovers to follow a similar approach but the recruitment has to be very good , especially when you begin for the model to grow .Which isn't to say it can't be achieved but as the model grows then the one's who don't make it don't hurt you so much .We've had failures , Ryan Hedges , George Moncur Lloyd Isgrove , Matty Pearson , Elliot Lee but because of the early gems with Alfie Mawson , Marc Roberts , Connor Hourihane , Sam Winnall and James Bree we were well in profit .Alfie Mawson - Free Transfer - Sold for £6.5m Marc Roberts - £25k - Sold for £3.5m Connor Hourihane - £250k - Sold for £3m James Bree - Academy - Sold for £3.5m The money those brought in cleared our debts to the former owner and allowed the club to bring in ...Ethan Pinnock - £650k - Sold for £3mLiam Lindsay - £350k - Sold for £2m Kieffer Moore - £850k - Sold for £4m Brad Potts - £500k - Sold for£1.9m Cauley Woodrow £1.1m Sold For Nothing less than £10m this summer .The club last summer brought in 4 players for over a million quid each in ..Luke Thomas Malik Wilks Patrick Schmidt Connor Chaplin So from a starting point of £12m owed to the owner the club through this model have been able to repay it's debt , become self sustainable and then arrive at a position where they can bring in players at league one and championship level for over a million quid and still remain self sustainable .The elephant in the room of course is that sustaining championship football hasn't arrived yet .So to say the model is totally successful would be wide of the mark because that's where the bar is set at my club .Whether it will deliver that I don't know in all honesty but the drop in to League One isn't the end of the world because the budget is highly competitive and should deliver success .Which is right where Rovers want to be but as I stated earlier the recruitment at the start has to deliver or the thing never grows any legs .
Quote from: scawsby steve on February 24, 2020, 09:21:29 pmThere's one thing you're forgetting in all of this Tyke. Despite being a much smaller town, Barnsley are a much bigger club than Donny. Bigger stadium, bigger attendances, bigger budget, richer owners.As a club, we can't compete with the likes of Barnsley, and I doubt that we ever will.What he's saying isn't about size of the club though. It's about the recruitment. Any size club can adopt a similar model and use it to help themselves grow.
Quote from: tyke1962 on February 24, 2020, 08:54:28 pmQuote from: steve@dcfd on February 24, 2020, 05:48:22 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on February 24, 2020, 05:25:30 pmQuote from: drfchound on February 24, 2020, 10:55:16 amGenuine question, do Brentford and Barnsley have many loan players.Not sure about Brentford but we don't do loans in the same way Rovers do .We have one loan player at the club at the moment a young 19 year old German right back with an option to sign in the summer .That’s the way I believe we should do with loans but we couldn’t do financially so they come in and they go home.The average age of the squad this season was 22 years old , it's probably gone up a little with the arrival of Sollbauer who is 29 and Ritzmaier who is 27 last month .This was the starting point in 2015 for my club , only sign young players under the age of 24 so they could be developed and sold on at a decent profit .For three years up until last month we've not signed one player over 24 years of age .In my opinion you can get be very successful in League One with a young team but at championship level you need at least three in the team who are experienced because the demands are so much higher , something we've failed to acknowledge up until last month and the last time we were in the championship .The club are on the record that they will not develop players for other clubs , absolutely not .It's one thing for Rovers to follow a similar approach but the recruitment has to be very good , especially when you begin for the model to grow .Which isn't to say it can't be achieved but as the model grows then the one's who don't make it don't hurt you so much .We've had failures , Ryan Hedges , George Moncur Lloyd Isgrove , Matty Pearson , Elliot Lee but because of the early gems with Alfie Mawson , Marc Roberts , Connor Hourihane , Sam Winnall and James Bree we were well in profit .Alfie Mawson - Free Transfer - Sold for £6.5m Marc Roberts - £25k - Sold for £3.5m Connor Hourihane - £250k - Sold for £3m James Bree - Academy - Sold for £3.5m The money those brought in cleared our debts to the former owner and allowed the club to bring in ...Ethan Pinnock - £650k - Sold for £3mLiam Lindsay - £350k - Sold for £2m Kieffer Moore - £850k - Sold for £4m Brad Potts - £500k - Sold for£1.9m Cauley Woodrow £1.1m Sold For Nothing less than £10m this summer .The club last summer brought in 4 players for over a million quid each in ..Luke Thomas Malik Wilks Patrick Schmidt Connor Chaplin So from a starting point of £12m owed to the owner the club through this model have been able to repay it's debt , become self sustainable and then arrive at a position where they can bring in players at league one and championship level for over a million quid and still remain self sustainable .The elephant in the room of course is that sustaining championship football hasn't arrived yet .So to say the model is totally successful would be wide of the mark because that's where the bar is set at my club .Whether it will deliver that I don't know in all honesty but the drop in to League One isn't the end of the world because the budget is highly competitive and should deliver success .Which is right where Rovers want to be but as I stated earlier the recruitment at the start has to deliver or the thing never grows any legs .Looking at those purchases and sales Tyke it is quite remarkable what Barnsley have achieved in that area.Someone in your recruitment dept is doing a fantastic job. The model is one we at Rovers should be looking to follow. Easier said than done of course. Recruitment is key. Getting it right 80% of the time is rare. Barnsley seem to have achieved it in recent years.If you had signed those experienced players in August then you may not have been in a relegation battle this season as your recent form is outstanding now that you have those players. I do think whatever league you are in any successful team needs 2/3 older heads in it.
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Quote from: DonnyOsmond on February 24, 2020, 10:38:56 amQuote from: Jonathan on February 22, 2020, 08:16:15 pmThe decision not to play Sadlier in the recent games is just bizarre, and I thinkDM needs to explain it. He’d been in arguably his best form of the season and is our biggest goal threat by some distance. The tinkering with the team is crazy. DM shouldn’t be above criticism, this has been poor management. How's it crazy? He's being pragmatic and picking the team based on the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. Should he just pick the 11 technically best players over the team he thinks will exploit their weaknesses?Whatever way you look at it, sadlier was in the best form he’s ever been in at the club over 3/4 games and Moore has dropped him for two matches, we’ve lost them both. The decision to drop him when he was playing so well was absolute madness. Dowie watched the Bolton game and said he was as good a right sided player outside the prem yet Moore dropped him the next game..Crazy and makes zero sense
Sometimes you need to change personnel or tactics depending on the opposition but not every game like DM is doing. Players can't get any momentum and consistency if the team is getting changed every game. It's like at minute hes picking names out of a hat for who starts in that front 4.