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Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 25, 2017, 06:55:59 pmQuote from: Filo on January 25, 2017, 06:15:03 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 25, 2017, 03:58:37 pmQuote from: Yargo on January 25, 2017, 11:31:45 amQuote from: The Red Baron on January 24, 2017, 05:20:27 pmWee Jimmy Krankie hasn't taken the other decision - that the devolved administrations don't need to be consulted - well at all.http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/nicola-sturgeons-brexit-charade-continues/Can one of the sanctimonious pro EU remainiacs explain the case for Scottish independence within the EU after Britain leaves,how that will be achieved and its likely consequences?The only case that needs to be made is that it's what the Scottish people want. This voting stuff IS all about democracy whether the resulting decision is good or bad, isn't it?The Scottish people voted to remain in the UK, The UK voted to leave the EU, thats democracy at work, how wee Jimmy can argue for for a second referendum on indepenence is beyond me!Because the circumstances of remaining part of the UK has substantially altered. Rather like those times when membership of the EU altered and leavers demanded to be able to vote on it!The difference is the people of the UK never got a vote to join the EU, the only vote the UK people had was to join the Common Market, a Free trade deal
Quote from: Filo on January 25, 2017, 06:15:03 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 25, 2017, 03:58:37 pmQuote from: Yargo on January 25, 2017, 11:31:45 amQuote from: The Red Baron on January 24, 2017, 05:20:27 pmWee Jimmy Krankie hasn't taken the other decision - that the devolved administrations don't need to be consulted - well at all.http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/nicola-sturgeons-brexit-charade-continues/Can one of the sanctimonious pro EU remainiacs explain the case for Scottish independence within the EU after Britain leaves,how that will be achieved and its likely consequences?The only case that needs to be made is that it's what the Scottish people want. This voting stuff IS all about democracy whether the resulting decision is good or bad, isn't it?The Scottish people voted to remain in the UK, The UK voted to leave the EU, thats democracy at work, how wee Jimmy can argue for for a second referendum on indepenence is beyond me!Because the circumstances of remaining part of the UK has substantially altered. Rather like those times when membership of the EU altered and leavers demanded to be able to vote on it!
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 25, 2017, 03:58:37 pmQuote from: Yargo on January 25, 2017, 11:31:45 amQuote from: The Red Baron on January 24, 2017, 05:20:27 pmWee Jimmy Krankie hasn't taken the other decision - that the devolved administrations don't need to be consulted - well at all.http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/nicola-sturgeons-brexit-charade-continues/Can one of the sanctimonious pro EU remainiacs explain the case for Scottish independence within the EU after Britain leaves,how that will be achieved and its likely consequences?The only case that needs to be made is that it's what the Scottish people want. This voting stuff IS all about democracy whether the resulting decision is good or bad, isn't it?The Scottish people voted to remain in the UK, The UK voted to leave the EU, thats democracy at work, how wee Jimmy can argue for for a second referendum on indepenence is beyond me!
Quote from: Yargo on January 25, 2017, 11:31:45 amQuote from: The Red Baron on January 24, 2017, 05:20:27 pmWee Jimmy Krankie hasn't taken the other decision - that the devolved administrations don't need to be consulted - well at all.http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/nicola-sturgeons-brexit-charade-continues/Can one of the sanctimonious pro EU remainiacs explain the case for Scottish independence within the EU after Britain leaves,how that will be achieved and its likely consequences?The only case that needs to be made is that it's what the Scottish people want. This voting stuff IS all about democracy whether the resulting decision is good or bad, isn't it?
Quote from: The Red Baron on January 24, 2017, 05:20:27 pmWee Jimmy Krankie hasn't taken the other decision - that the devolved administrations don't need to be consulted - well at all.http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/nicola-sturgeons-brexit-charade-continues/Can one of the sanctimonious pro EU remainiacs explain the case for Scottish independence within the EU after Britain leaves,how that will be achieved and its likely consequences?
Wee Jimmy Krankie hasn't taken the other decision - that the devolved administrations don't need to be consulted - well at all.http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/nicola-sturgeons-brexit-charade-continues/
Quote from: Filo on January 25, 2017, 06:59:05 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 25, 2017, 06:55:59 pmQuote from: Filo on January 25, 2017, 06:15:03 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 25, 2017, 03:58:37 pmQuote from: Yargo on January 25, 2017, 11:31:45 amQuote from: The Red Baron on January 24, 2017, 05:20:27 pmWee Jimmy Krankie hasn't taken the other decision - that the devolved administrations don't need to be consulted - well at all.http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/nicola-sturgeons-brexit-charade-continues/Can one of the sanctimonious pro EU remainiacs explain the case for Scottish independence within the EU after Britain leaves,how that will be achieved and its likely consequences?The only case that needs to be made is that it's what the Scottish people want. This voting stuff IS all about democracy whether the resulting decision is good or bad, isn't it?The Scottish people voted to remain in the UK, The UK voted to leave the EU, thats democracy at work, how wee Jimmy can argue for for a second referendum on indepenence is beyond me!Because the circumstances of remaining part of the UK has substantially altered. Rather like those times when membership of the EU altered and leavers demanded to be able to vote on it!The difference is the people of the UK never got a vote to join the EU, the only vote the UK people had was to join the Common Market, a Free trade dealWell, Scotland has now voted on the EU as it is now. Should their votes be ignored?PS The UK never voted to join the Common Market either.
What 1974 referendum..? lol
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 25, 2017, 07:44:55 pmQuote from: Filo on January 25, 2017, 06:59:05 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 25, 2017, 06:55:59 pmQuote from: Filo on January 25, 2017, 06:15:03 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 25, 2017, 03:58:37 pmQuote from: Yargo on January 25, 2017, 11:31:45 amQuote from: The Red Baron on January 24, 2017, 05:20:27 pmWee Jimmy Krankie hasn't taken the other decision - that the devolved administrations don't need to be consulted - well at all.http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/nicola-sturgeons-brexit-charade-continues/Can one of the sanctimonious pro EU remainiacs explain the case for Scottish independence within the EU after Britain leaves,how that will be achieved and its likely consequences?The only case that needs to be made is that it's what the Scottish people want. This voting stuff IS all about democracy whether the resulting decision is good or bad, isn't it?The Scottish people voted to remain in the UK, The UK voted to leave the EU, thats democracy at work, how wee Jimmy can argue for for a second referendum on indepenence is beyond me!Because the circumstances of remaining part of the UK has substantially altered. Rather like those times when membership of the EU altered and leavers demanded to be able to vote on it!The difference is the people of the UK never got a vote to join the EU, the only vote the UK people had was to join the Common Market, a Free trade dealWell, Scotland has now voted on the EU as it is now. Should their votes be ignored?PS The UK never voted to join the Common Market either.A technicality Glyn, the UK voted to remain a member of the common market.Scotland voted to remain in the UK, and as such should accept the decision of the UK, much like England has to accept that the election of many SNP MP's at the expense of Labour MP's in Scotland heavily contributed to a Tory Government. Incidently in the 1974 referendum the SNP campained to leave the Common Market
Looking at benefits for people out of work, migrants from both within and outside the EU are less likely to claim benefits than UK nationals. DWP statistics show that as of February 2015, just over 5 million people were claiming welfare benefits; of those, about 370,000 (7.2 per cent) were non-UK nationals (at the time that they registered for a National Insurance number; and of those, only 114,000 (2.2 percent of the total) were EU nationals. Since those born abroad make up 16 percent of the working age population, and those born in the EU make up about 6 percent, it can be seen that migrants of both types are considerably less likely to claim out-of-work benefits.
The Office of National Statistics says that while the numbers of EU workers in Britain has risen by 700,000 since 2013, they are outnumbered by the extra one million Britons who have gone into employment in the same period. The number of British citizens working in the UK labour force is now at the near-record level of 28 million. That compares with 3 million foreign nationals.As the economist Jonathan Portes has pointed out, it is not a zero-sum game in which there are only a fixed number of jobs to go round: “It’s true that, if an immigrant takes a job, then a British worker can’t take that job – but it doesn’t mean he or she won’t find another one that may have been created, directly or indirectly, as a result of immigration.”HMRC figures also show that EU migrants more than pay their way. Those who arrived in Britain in the last four years paid £2.54bn more in income tax and national insurance than they received in tax credits or child benefit in 2013-14. The Office of Budget Responsibility has estimated that their labour contribution is helping to grow the economy by an additional 0.6% a year.
The LSE’s Jonathan Wadsworth said: “The bottom line, which may surprise many people, is that EU immigration has not harmed the pay, jobs or public services enjoyed by Britons. In fact, for the most part it has likely made us better off.
I just hope the Brexit will not have immediate consequences for me on finding a job there in the next few months.
"For stays of over three months: the right of residence is subject to certain conditions. EU citizens and their family members — if not working — must have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. Union citizens do not need residence permits, although Member States may require them to register with the authorities. Family members of Union citizens who are not nationals of a Member State must apply for a residence permit, valid for the duration of their stay or a five-year period."
Quote from: DevilMayCry on January 28, 2017, 02:27:51 pmI just hope the Brexit will not have immediate consequences for me on finding a job there in the next few months.I hope so too mate.
Quote from: bobjimwilly on February 01, 2017, 08:24:36 pmQuote from: DevilMayCry on January 28, 2017, 02:27:51 pmI just hope the Brexit will not have immediate consequences for me on finding a job there in the next few months.I hope so too mate.Yes so do I and just remember,for all the sanctimonious pro EU t**ts posting on here from their high horse only one on here offered you a place to stay(to my knowledge anyway)
Forget all the posturing from polititions on both sides, does anyone really think the big busimess's from Europe are just going to lie down and let the European parliament dictate to them who they can trade with and who they can't?A lot of what is being said is posturing and scaremongering, from both sides