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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: normal rules on April 14, 2018, 08:50:18 pm
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Now I do not want to get into the stand or sit debate. I was at the game today and the first 5 or 10 mins was marred by an incredulous exchange between our own supporters. A group of elderly rovers, and I would have put one of them at eighty, asked three lads who were stood up in front of them, and impeding their view, if they would mind sitting down or moving. You of course know the rest.
It was unreserved seating today. The lads in question had a choice to go and stand with the standing contingent at the back, but no they chose to stand their ground ( until the stewards ushered them away) and argue the toss. Towards the end of the exchange the language from the younger lads to the older chaps became downright disgraceful.
They were a very small minority. I am pleased to report that the vast majority of rovers in that part of the stand were supportive of them sitting or moving.
I like nothing more than to stand at the game myself, but today in that part of the ground surrounded by older supporters I just thought there was an easy decision to make for those lads.
They chose the disrespectful option.
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Totally agree, but then the steward moved them all to the front then moved them all to the back of the ground the police were there but did not get involved and it was not pleasant at times, but it did settle down
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I thought there was some irony that they initially chose to go stand with the stone island brigade at the bottom of the stand, only for the stewards to follow them there and move them all on. The lot at the bottom did not seem to be bothering anyone prior to their arrival only. Bet they were pleased.
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They were very disrespectful and as you say Normal, all they had to do is move to the back where there was plenty of room, however booze can make some feel like ten men and ready to argue with anyone.
As an aside I thought it was quite funny how the "singers" were up & down the stand in those first ten minutes!!
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Would the young supporters have spoken to their own grand parents with the same lack of respect?
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Yes they probably would hound because some, not all have a complete lack of respect for anyone
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You say all this, but I wasn't far away. Before the words came back from the younger lads, one of the older folk told him to step outside so he could "sort him out" and called him a d**khead and all sorts. Respect works both ways. It was selfish of the way they just decided to stand right in the middle of the block but you can't tell someone you want to fight them then not expect to get verbals back.
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Lack of common sense by both parties. Singers decided to go and stand at the front, and plenty of older people sitting decided to plonk themselves at the back. This in an away end with copious amounts of space everywhere. It's like some of these people have never been to a football game before.
What followed was a bit unsavory but to put it all on the young lads would be wrong because I turned to see what the fuss was about and saw a couple of usual suspects, getting involved even though they were miles away, who I've had problems at games with in the past - and they are not interested in talking calmly to get a sensible solution.
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They were made to look fools, looked around thinking they were 10 ton, but then realising they were always going to lose the battle.
That's when the language started, because they realised people were laughing at them.
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Couldn't see anyone laughing from where I sat...
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I didn't witness the bad behaviour but I did see the movement of the boys to the back of the stand.
If that was the singing section what was funny was the chanting when they arrived at the back, just behind me. You could tell that they were having trouble with their voices, they sounded like their voices were just beginning to break because it came across as croaking and not the masculine chant you would expect.
Boys you should respect your elders as they kept the club going in the bad years so you can support them now.
You will be old one day and take it from me it won't be long.
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I wasn’t there so can’t comment on today but it does sicken me that there is such a lack of respect for each other amongst some of our fans.
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I was sat near the back when they came up and decided to sit/stand where they liked, regardless of who was already sat there. A few rovers fans moved away, but why should they, one neanderthal then started to try and pick a fight with a woman and her partner who were with their child who was probably 5 or 6. Its utterly embarrassing.
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I was sat near the back with my two young boys. The group came up just behind me and crammed themselves into the smallest area. They were disrespectful to an elderly couple and I saw the guy you were on about Hamilton.
A couple of them sat in front of me and they were ok but the guy looking for an argument kept turning and shouting to his mates and almost burst my ear drum. I moved my lads not because I felt threatened but because I couldn’t concentrate on the match because they were ruining my experience
It’s no drama for me moving as there was loads of space but this seems to happen every away game
Do other clubs have this issue or is it just us?
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Had a similar experience last season at Mansfield.
Was sat near the back and three lads in the row in front remained standing as the game kicked off, I stood up, as they were blocking my view but then I was conscious of the fact I was blocking the view of an elderly gent sat behind me. I politely asked if they'd sit, not for me for the old boy, but he completely ignored me. The old boy then had to stand himself and after 90 minutes was in quite a bit of discomfort as he had a dodgy knee.
Apart from losing this is the one thing that I hate about going to away games.
I don't think it's just Rovers fans either, sadly I think it's a generation thing where young lads will insist on being arseholes.
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So I suppose it's acceptable to call someone a d**khead and offer them outside if you're above a certain age then?
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Seems to be a recurring occurrence with our fans this year. I used to enjoy travelling to away games. Always used to be plenty of banter but these days it mostly seems to be a bunch of young idiots that have no real interest in the football and go to just generally make a nuisance of themselves. Really put me off and I certainly wouldn't ever think about going with my Dad or my kids anymore.
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Happens at nearly every away game, especially the local ones - pisses me right off as my mum can’t stand for a whole game due to osteoporosis & a fragile spine but these morons stand wherever they want, whoever they are blocking, with no thought for anyone else! Just how intelligent do you need to be to stand near the back if you want to, not halfway down; or as was the case at Rotherham, at the front. If these pr*cks knew the meaning of, or even how to spell, respect they just wouldn’t do it - but it’s just too much to ask. On the verge of sticking to home games next season, which is a real shame as we both love going to away games.
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I was sat on the back row before as the game started and I saw the older guy asking the stewards to do their job and move the standing youths. However, I don’t think that the standing youths were actually blocking his view of the game at all, unless he was requesting the stewards on behalf of those that might have the obstructed view.
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I doubt they were blocking that guy's view at all, he just waded in for no reason.
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Lack of common sense by both parties. Singers decided to go and stand at the front, and plenty of older people sitting decided to plonk themselves at the back. This in an away end with copious amounts of space everywhere. It's like some of these people have never been to a football game before.
What followed was a bit unsavory but to put it all on the young lads would be wrong because I turned to see what the fuss was about and saw a couple of usual suspects, getting involved even though they were miles away, who I've had problems at games with in the past - and they are not interested in talking calmly to get a sensible solution.
Are you back from Portugal now, Copps? Your presence at the Keepmoat has been greatly missed.
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Didn’t go today but how far up were these lads. I went to the Tuesday night game when we got hammered the season we went up. Same issue however a group of elderly people opted to sit all across the back row and then expect everyone to sit.
Not to sure why it’s a massive issue we never sell out apart from Scunny and Rotherham games
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They were about half way down, quite far away from the back in fairness. But the language from both sides was appalling, so it's a bit unfair to pin this entirely on the younger lads.
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Every week the same thing.
Stand at back sit in front. What’s difficult about.
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I was there and this bunch of lads only got abuse from one older guy as retaliation as they were reluctant to budge and were giving it some verbal. They were only 5 rows back from the front and about 20 seats wide, some weren't even watching the match but had their back to the pitch goading others at the back. It was also noticeable some were the worse for the drink, Is it also just coincidence that not one of them had a single bit of Rovers colour on them.
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RJ you seem very sympathetic to a couple of Knobheads who have absolutely no thought for anyone else watching a football game.
Halfway down the stand means you are going to obstruct someones view, and a total disrespect for other people, and then you want them to be treated with kid gloves, when they are nothing but bullies themselves.
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The lads who went to front were late into the seats because they’d been in bar till kick off. Maybe they should plan ahead. Put some jumpers on seats or something to stake their spot.
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Every week the same thing.
Stand at back sit in front. What’s difficult about.
When you put it like that - nothing difficult about it at all
Dont know if the SLO's travel away but it seems like a job for someone like them - with tact - to try to explain that to all perties and to liaise with both sets of "protagonists" ***
It would be a leap though as I have often found my Designated Seat already taken (Rotherham) and despite the formal arrangements made for the Arsenal game which designated the Standing Area(s) people in the Seated bit ignoring the "agreement" and simply Standing no matter how politely they were asked
*** There are of course a majority of Fans that do not use this or other Forums and simply dont know of any arrangement and they just need it explained it them
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RJ you seem very sympathetic to a couple of Knobheads who have absolutely no thought for anyone else watching a football game.
Halfway down the stand means you are going to obstruct someones view, and a total disrespect for other people, and then you want them to be treated with kid gloves, when they are nothing but bullies themselves.
I'm not sympathetic to them. I just don't think it's fair to pin it all on them.
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I was there and this bunch of lads only got abuse from one older guy as retaliation as they were reluctant to budge and were giving it some verbal. They were only 5 rows back from the front and about 20 seats wide, some weren't even watching the match but had their back to the pitch goading others at the back. It was also noticeable some were the worse for the drink, Is it also just coincidence that not one of them had a single bit of Rovers colour on them.
There were two incidents, you're talking about one, and I think most are talking about another further up.
I know the 'older' lads in this case and they are not the regular sit down and moan brigade. They often stand at away games and are sound rovers supporters. They asked the group in front of them to move a bit and got a gobfull of abuse back. Well within their rights. The group stood right at the front are genuine wallies most of them.
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So do you reckon my suggestion above might have "legs" ?
This is a discussion that we have visted and revisited several times a Season recently so cant do any harm to try a third way surely
Must happen in other Clubs too - wonder what they do to solve it ?
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People just need to learn not to be dicks. Don't sit down at the back if you don't want people stood in front of you, don't stand up further forward if you don't want to cause a fuss.
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Agree totally - as I did with an earlier post saying Stand at the Back - Sit at the Front.
However I dont see it happening any time soon as a lot of people dont use this or any other Rovers Forum and so will be oblivious to what the vast vast majority of Rovers Fans think will work
Its a small minority (on both sides of the Debate) that are causing the problems as we can read from the Posts oh here. I remember the last time we did this to death a Poster put " lets sort it - we're all Rovers FFS" and that is still as relevant now
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Something needs to be sorted with Rovers away ticket allocation, for every game. That was about the 5th or 6th time I've seen this happen. Not good. All it needs is common sense in the ticket office. Put up a sign that says back few rows standing, all rest seating. Ask the fans where they would prefer to sit or stand, just like the south stand.
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To some extent its a problem of our own making due to the relative success we have had since the heady championship days. You didn't get this issue on a cold night in Dover or Hayes as it was a hardy few who all knew or recognised each other. Fast forward to promotions over the ensuing years and you have a much bigger travelling fan base away who don't know each other and who would probably not want to be in each others company if not in the confines of a football stand. So there are no boundaries or prescedents or, it appears even nicities or mutual respect. Its nice that we are taking back our town support from Weeds, Wendies etc and a new generation is spawning a bigger fan base but it is, it seems, coming at a price?
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yes was unreserved seating as well , people need to show more respect towards each other but sitting down on the back row and not excepting people to stand in front of you is crazy also don't stand up half way down the stand as well or even the front , but the old guy did offer the young lad out and one old bloke next to me did not even ask the lad to sit down just prodded him with his walking stick and i was 3 rows from the back.
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Part of the issue yesterday, was that the stewards intervened about 20 mins into the match with the group near the front, these then simply moved to the rear of the stand where folk had already been sat without any problems. They then sat/stood where they liked and a fair few just acted like knobs, not giving a second thought to anyone other than themselves or the people sat in that space who were there before they arrived. I have been to about 10 Away games this season and in the majority there has been a select few who are intent on acting like dicks who think they are something special. It appears some folk get a kick out of looking hard and abusing folk who simply go to watch their team, sad reflection on society and a small minority of Rovers fans, as it’s just anti social behaviour
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Hamilton, how do you get to look hard? Is it by not wearing colours? Burberry? It’s just a way of thinking that your hard, maybe.
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Wolfie, it isn't as easy as that because you need a brain cell to know the difference between front and back.
I do not go to the back, because of the standing issue, which if a club let it happen I have no issue with, if the participants recognise two things.
1) If they come into the ground late, and the seating at the back is taken, Don't stand in front of seated fans, it is a seating area respect it, and the people there.
2) The people affected have the right to ask the stewards to make them sit down or move.
The stadium yesterday is the other way round to most, entering at ground level and descending steep steps to the rows of seats. That is the reason older people sat in the nearest rows to the entrance, rather than go down and have to climb quite a steep set of steps.
The lads who came in late were not the problem,and got caught up in it when the two or three stood higher up, came the billy big b*llocks, and a senior steward decided he had seen enough.
I might add, that although a new construction and will be the latest design. Entering the stand at road level, and descending down into the stand, was one of the main problems with the Bradford City stand fire, with exits at the top of the stand, and people having to climb steps to get to them, with heat and smoke gathering under the roof.
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yes was unreserved seating as well , people need to show more respect towards each other but sitting down on the back row and not excepting people to stand in front of you is crazy also don't stand up half way down the stand as well or even the front , but the old guy did offer the young lad out and one old bloke next to me did not even ask the lad to sit down just prodded him with his walking stick and i was 3 rows from the back.
Exactly this. People want to cry about lack of respect but don't want to accept that it has to work both ways, and that the shit does get thrown from both sides.
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Hamilton, how do you get to look hard? Is it by not wearing colours? Burberry? It’s just a way of thinking that your hard, maybe.
Maybe not the best word to describe, but acting up in front of your mates, abusing those who simply ask you to show some courtesy, trying to engage in a fight with a couple who are sat with their kids.
I don’t wear colours so that’s probably not a requisite of looking hard !
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Wolfie, it isn't as easy as that because you need a brain cell to know the difference between front and back.
I do not go to the back, because of the standing issue, which if a club let it happen I have no issue with, if the participants recognise two things.
1) If they come into the ground late, and the seating at the back is taken, Don't stand in front of seated fans, it is a seating area respect it, and the people there.
2) The people affected have the right to ask the stewards to make them sit down or move.
The stadium yesterday is the other way round to most, entering at ground level and descending steep steps to the rows of seats. That is the reason older people sat in the nearest rows to the entrance, rather than go down and have to climb quite a steep set of steps.
The lads who came in late were not the problem,and got caught up in it when the two or three stood higher up, came the billy big b*llocks, and a senior steward decided he had seen enough.
I might add, that although a new construction and will be the latest design. Entering the stand at road level, and descending down into the stand, was one of the main problems with the Bradford City stand fire, with exits at the top of the stand, and people having to climb steps to get to them, with heat and smoke gathering under the roof.
Sorry Selby can't agree about the Bradford fire, the stand wss wooden for a start, the easiest way out was onto the pitch no stairs to climb picky? maybe, but to compare a new stadium with an old is wrong
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Raven I accept all that, and did mention the new design and construction, I was trying to make the point that older people stopped at the top of the stand because of the steep stairway downwards to the rest of the seating area.
A reversal of the norm in the majority of the stands.
It does not alter the fact, that even in that stand,if a fire was started low down towards the pitch however unlikely, smoke and heat would rise towards the exits, which would act as a natural chimney.
But that is just a side comment, the fact is that older people stopped at the back yesterday to avoid climbing a flight of stairs on their way out, and to be nearer the services in the stand, that is the complete opposite to nearly every stand we have been in this season at away games.
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Selby, the door that a lot of fans went to at Valley Parade was locked. There were about 20 odd or more bodies together near that particular exit.
Your point about staying near the top is valid though. I did when I went there.
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Idler, I know, and old goal nets and paint tins were under the seats,near the toilets and bar area. I can remember a mate saying. when we played them before that tragedy and we were in that stand " if a fag end drops through them floor boards that bloody lot will go up in flames quickly"
The last time we were at QPR there was a high voltage cable laid on top of a wall outside the toilets that was not capped off, we told a steward who sent for the safety officer, we pointed it out, and he did not know if it was live or not, the look on his face when we pointed out a steel girder about 4 inches away was a picture.
I got a nice letter a couple of weeks later thanking us, but to this day we don't know if the cable was live or not.
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Those that want to stand together at away games where there is unreserved seating, get in the ground early. Simple.
Every time though, it's the "five to three crowd" that waltz in at kick off thinking there is a designated area for them to be together when others have been in the ground getting their seats at half two or earlier.
THIS is the main reason there are problems.