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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Michael Gibson on April 02, 2021, 03:42:47 pm
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After appointing a manger with no experience at this level and didn’t even consider other options this season is now a waste.... If the club had any ambition they’d have acted differently, Portsmouth appoint the cowleys, Sunderland appointed Lee Johnson, charlton appointed Neil Adkins......,, we appoint a women’s Sunday league manager!!! No offence to butler whatsoever but a line has to be drawn, again the cheap option was preferred and done us in good and proper. Sack the board!!!
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After appointing a manger with no experience at this level and didn’t even consider other options this season is now a waste.... If the club had any ambition they’d have acted differently, Portsmouth appoint the cowleys, Sunderland appointed Lee Johnson, charlton appointed Neil Adkins......,, we appoint a women’s Sunday league manager!!! No offence to butler whatsoever but a line has to be drawn, again the cheap option was preferred and done us in good and proper. Sack the board!!!
First of all, who sacks the board? Secondly, without a board, who runs the club? Thirdly, do you know anyone who's ready to take over?
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Too be fair mate, there a fkg shambles and enough enough
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Too be fair mate, there a fkg shambles and enough enough
Again, they're not going to sack themselves.
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That'll be Nigel Adkins then wont it?
You don't half spout some rubbish
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That’s true, but the way there running the club with no ambition or clarity is questionable at all levels....
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After appointing a manger with no experience at this level and didn’t even consider other options this season is now a waste.... If the club had any ambition they’d have acted differently, Portsmouth appoint the cowleys, Sunderland appointed Lee Johnson, charlton appointed Neil Adkins......,, we appoint a women’s Sunday league manager!!! No offence to butler whatsoever but a line has to be drawn, again the cheap option was preferred and done us in good and proper. Sack the board!!!
First of all, who sacks the board? Secondly, without a board, who runs the club? Thirdly, do you know anyone who's ready to take over?
On your third point, me IF i win the euromillions tonight. Yes...not very likely...
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That’s true, but the way there running the club with no ambition or clarity is questionable at all levels....
No-ones stopping you questioning. You've been doing it for years. I think you may have to entertain the possibility the club isn't run off the outputs from an internet forum.
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Even if the board have made a bad choice in butler, there is no excusing the performances on the pitch you can’t blame the board for that
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After appointing a manger with no experience at this level and didn’t even consider other options this season is now a waste.... If the club had any ambition they’d have acted differently, Portsmouth appoint the cowleys, Sunderland appointed Lee Johnson, charlton appointed Neil Adkins......,, we appoint a women’s Sunday league manager!!! No offence to butler whatsoever but a line has to be drawn, again the cheap option was preferred and done us in good and proper. Sack the board!!!
Clown
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Sack team board, what a joke. They put 2 million plus in to give us a club to support.
Can the moderators look at blocking this clown!
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Another person who can’t see sense and why should I be eliminated due to your comments?????
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Obviously saying sack the board is stupid cos they do a lot for the club , but they also need the fans , all of them even if they have different opinions so need to take action to get the fans inside to take the club forward with fans been back in next year ect
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You talk utter rubbish and I for one I’m sick of reading this tripe.
You make rash comments, who else is gong to take over and is willing to fund the club like the board do. Give some substance and solutions to your comments or don’t comment at all.
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Me and my 2 lads won’t be going that’s for sure... that’s 3 season tickets gone.... I’m all for supporting the club but how can you when it’s getting run wrong????
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So what is your solution then, do you have investors waiting to take over?
Do people tell you how to spend your money?
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Me and my 2 lads won’t be going that’s for sure... that’s 3 season tickets gone.... I’m all for supporting the club but how can you when it’s getting run wrong????
How would you run it differently, Michael?
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If the owners can’t take us forwards then sell up... unfortunately we might be in a scenario where certain individuals are better off running the club.
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Michael genuine question for you. You want the board sacked and out of the club.
Then what?
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If the owners can’t take us forwards then sell up... unfortunately we might be in a scenario where certain individuals are better off running the club.
But how do you propose they run it better. What would you do differently?
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I’d like to see a board with ambition and not lie.
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I’d like to see a board with ambition and not lie.
Do you know any suitable candidates?
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There’s no point posting on here as it’s completely denied by the readers....... all I’ll say is watch this space!!!
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You've offered nothing.
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There’s no point posting on here as it’s completely denied by the readers....... all I’ll say is watch this space!!!
Is that the space between your ears?
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There’s no point posting on here as it’s completely denied by the readers....... all I’ll say is watch this space!!!
It's difficult for people to deny something unless you come out with something for them to deny.
Just let people know what you think is going to happen.
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Who is this clown (the op)? He only shows his face when things aren’t going right. Can’t remember him ever posting anything positive. If he’s a Rovers supporter then heaven help us.
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I will put this in terms that Micheal Gibson should understand
IF YOU REMOVE THE GOALKEEPER YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME ONE THE REPLACE HIM,
SAME WITH THE BOARD
STOP BEING A WUM
there is a old saying (when i was a child i thought like a child now i am a man i put way childest things)
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Why appoint butler???? Worst decision amongst dozens this board has made .....if anyone can reason why fair enough......cheap option hoping to get lucky ........ enough said
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Why appoint butler???? Worst decision amongst dozens this board has made .....if anyone can reason why fair enough......cheap option hoping to get lucky ........ enough said
Still waiting to find out why people should 'watch this space'. What's going to be happening please?
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After appointing a manger with no experience at this level and didn’t even consider other options this season is now a waste.... If the club had any ambition they’d have acted differently, Portsmouth appoint the cowleys, Sunderland appointed Lee Johnson, charlton appointed Neil Adkins......,, we appoint a women’s Sunday league manager!!! No offence to butler whatsoever but a line has to be drawn, again the cheap option was preferred and done us in good and proper. Sack the board!!!
There’s a village somewhere that’s lost its resident village idiot.
Can’t we block this WUM?
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Why appoint butler???? Worst decision amongst dozens this board has made .....if anyone can reason why fair enough......cheap option hoping to get lucky ........ enough said
No, not enough said.
You’ve offered no alternative to who will replace the current board
You’ve afford no suggestion as to how the club would be funded if the current board left
You’ve offered no suggestion as to who would buy the club if they were to put the club up for sale.
You’ve offered no suggestion as to what they should have done differently
If fact, all you’ve done is trotted out the same bullshit you did the last time you had a little out burst.
Not renewing your season ticket? Doubt you’ll be missed to be fair
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The usual board arse kickers are out in force it’s pretty sad to see tbf, some have there own agendas to being ok with the mods but each to there own....
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The usual board arse kickers are out in force it’s pretty sad to see tbf, some have there own agendas to being ok with the mods but each to there own....
Yet more unfounded nonsense. I’m hardly a board arse licker as you call it (very mature by the way) and I don’t know a single one of the mods.
However, you’ve still failed to post any suggests/ideas in regards to the points I made in my previous post....
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The usual board arse kickers are out in force it’s pretty sad to see tbf, some have there own agendas to being ok with the mods but each to there own....
Why, who are the board arse kickers besides you?
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We aren't well supported enough even with the ground open hence why the board is putting in 2 million a year.
This is in terms of what the fans want concerning us challenging towards the top end of the table we have to cut our cloth accordingly and you can only go so far with the initiatives of generating revenue to add to our overall squad.
Covid 19 certainly hasn't helped our aims.
If TB left tomorrow it is a case of realising what we had when they have stopped putting in their support so be careful what you wish for as they say.
And people should realise there are 23 other teams who have other aims whether that be aiming for promotion, play offs, staying in the league etc as well so we don't have a divine right to be promoted.
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The usual board arse kickers are out in force it’s pretty sad to see tbf, some have there own agendas to being ok with the mods but each to there own....
204 posts. Every one of them negative in the extreme.
Not 1 post that had any semblance of credibility.
Why do you bother. Really pleased your not renewing your season ticket. That’s if you ever actually had one.
Do the club want so called supporters like you. I very much doubt it.
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That'll be Nigel Adkins then wont it?
You don't half spout some rubbish
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That’s true, but the way there running the club with no ambition or clarity is questionable at all levels....
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Crikey he even agrees he spouts rubbish
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author=ravenrover link=topic=280620.msg1042075#msg1042075 date=1617375255]
That'll be Nigel Adkins then wont it?
You don't half spout some rubbish
That’s true, but the way there running the club with no ambition or clarity is questionable at all levels....
j
Crikey he even agrees he spouts rubbish
[/quote] If this was a face to face discussion I clearly doubt that this would be he set tone for the exchanges on this topic
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COYR
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Not many other individuals will invest millions of their personal money knowing they will never see a real reward for it. Whilst not wanting to appear sycophantic and sucking up to the board, i think criticism of them to this extent is unwarranted. Butler's success initially against Portsmouth and Plymouth looked like we had made a successful appointment. However we seem to have slipped back into Moore style lethargy now. An urgent re-think is required now especially as we need to attract ST money in for 21/22. Having a major pop at the board though is unhelpful and counter productive to me.
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The usual board arse kickers are out in force it’s pretty sad to see tbf, some have there own agendas to being ok with the mods but each to there own....
Do you think the board will be concerned or maybe change their plans and begin taking applications for the vacancy . now with fans expected to return and season tickets not yet on sale .
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Oh God.... Not this arsehole again.
BobG
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Sack team board, what a joke. They put 2 million plus in to give us a club to support.
Can the moderators look at blocking this clown!
He’s frustrated, now coming back to your point about the owners putting 2 million in!
This is a well known fact.......however!
We don’t appear to be spending this money well enough to be a strong contender for the play offs, I know it’s hard to know what will or won’t work, but our reliance on loanee’s is creating an unstable environment ......
It is my opinion that this club should be targeting good quality players from both league 1&2 right now.....today, and next week, players that fit this division, big agile lads who are hungry to either step up or be targeted.....we have failed to make this style work consistently so we must change, we must take a chance now...on the young lads at the club who are on the periphery and give them some game time .....
Send a few of the loanee’s back and work with what we have.......then over the shut down perhaps target players who look too good to be in teams struggling below us....if we can’t do that then we will blow another budget on staying afloat without developing...
Just my opinion, and I’m sure a lot of theirs too....
We are not a play off team and the championship is a very lng way away if at all on the horizon....
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Oh God.... Not this arsehole again.
BobG
Could not have put it more succinctly, thanks Bob
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I fully agree with you mate in targeting players on this level, however this b*llocks with the loans is now back firing big time, not one loan player for months has looked good enough and today weren’t simply arsed .
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Too be fair mate, there a fkg shambles and enough enough
You do realise that if it wasnt for the current board putting in 2 million of their own money into the club each year you wouldnt have a club whose board you could moan at!!
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They appointed Butler because Moore flecked off at short notice. Why would they have had someone lined up?
They have given butler a chance...i cant remember many naysayers at the time.
They are not the type for knee jerk reactions, unlike some of the so called supporters on her, and thank feck for that.
They are bank rolling our club. We would be buggered without.
They supported Moore. Can't see many people poo pooing the players coming in
They are actually have rovers to heart and are kind individuals. I am appreciative.
Some fans need to get their heads out of their arses and get the feck off football manager.
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Couldn’t agree more Coventry
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No matter how you extrapolate or cogitate or even dissect it .. we are not winning matches now and it stinks !!!
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It’s pretty simple to me. I’m not an “arse licker”. Our board isn’t perfect. I’m not a fan of our dependencies on loans, our short contracts for managers and how late negotiations start for player renewals. It’s looking like the board have made a mistake with appointing Butler and/or not appointing an experienced coach.
But in other aspects they’ve done brilliantly and ultimately they still prop up a loss-making enterprise. And the question that keeps being asked is which multi millionaire is going to come and fill that gap? One day we won’t be underpinned by Bramall’s money, and I’m not particularly looking forward to seeing how we cope without it.
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There's literally 1 maybe 2 teams a year that get to the championship on gates like ours. We are then in a mix of 10-12 clubs all probably on level playing fields. I'd also say barring Peterborough our ambition is very similar of the rest of the teams who get gates as big as ours.
The board backed Moore in January however all his signings so far have turned out to be poor ones. Yes including Bostock and Bogle so far. Think we've got carried away with Bogle because he can do the basic of hold a ball up which we've not had in 2 seasons.
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Well said Nick. As for the OP... It must be a total funhouse at your place. Sweet Mary and the orphans.
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As I’ve posted before Mr Gibson is not a Doncaster Rovers supporter, he only ever posts when we loose and never says anything positive, he’ll have watched today’s match because it was an early kick off on Sky. I bet he goes on other local forums under other names when they loose Rotherham, Wednesday etc.
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There should not be too much criticism towards the Board as they are putting so much money into the Club. However, with all their experience in appointing high level Managers into their own businesses you would think they appoint the correct person. Maybe on this occasion they could have made a mistake. Looking forward a Permanent Managers appointment is required sooner than later to prepare for next season.
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Not many other individuals will invest millions of their personal money knowing they will never see a real reward for it. Whilst not wanting to appear sycophantic and sucking up to the board, i think criticism of them to this extent is unwarranted. Butler's success initially against Portsmouth and Plymouth looked like we had made a successful appointment. However we seem to have slipped back into Moore style lethargy now. An urgent re-think is required now especially as we need to attract ST money in for 21/22. Having a major pop at the board though is unhelpful and counter productive to me.
Not many people will buy a season ticket next season. Most of the ones I know will not be.
I hope the club are planning for an empty stadium again next season.
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They appointed Butler because Moore flecked off at short notice. Why would they have had someone lined up?
They have given butler a chance...i cant remember many naysayers at the time.
They are not the type for knee jerk reactions, unlike some of the so called supporters on her, and thank feck for that.
They are bank rolling our club. We would be buggered without.
They supported Moore. Can't see many people poo pooing the players coming in
They are actually have rovers to heart and are kind individuals. I am appreciative.
Some fans need to get their heads out of their arses and get the feck off football manager.
You would think it would be sensible to always have someone in mind, as John Ryan did with o Driscoll,
The cowleys and Adkins were available, we were in a much better position than both charlton and Pompey when Moore left, yet they’ve appointed those two managers and kicked on dramatically, the total opposite to us
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There's literally 1 maybe 2 teams a year that get to the championship on gates like ours. We are then in a mix of 10-12 clubs all probably on level playing fields. I'd also say barring Peterborough our ambition is very similar of the rest of the teams who get gates as big as ours.
The board backed Moore in January however all his signings so far have turned out to be poor ones. Yes including Bostock and Bogle so far. Think we've got carried away with Bogle because he can do the basic of hold a ball up which we've not had in 2 seasons.
I keep hearing all this about them backing Moore in January.
A couple of loans and short term signings.
We didn't replace Marquis or Whiteman despite receiving significant sums.
Backing the manager for me is allowing him to go and replace these players but targeting players at other clubs and signing them up to a decent length contract
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They appointed Butler because Moore flecked off at short notice. Why would they have had someone lined up?
They have given butler a chance...i cant remember many naysayers at the time.
They are not the type for knee jerk reactions, unlike some of the so called supporters on her, and thank feck for that.
They are bank rolling our club. We would be buggered without.
They supported Moore. Can't see many people poo pooing the players coming in
They are actually have rovers to heart and are kind individuals. I am appreciative.
Some fans need to get their heads out of their arses and get the feck off football manager.
You would think it would be sensible to always have someone in mind, as John Ryan did with o Driscoll,
The cowleys and Adkins were available, we were in a much better position than both charlton and Pompey when Moore left, yet they’ve appointed those two managers and kicked on dramatically, the total opposite to us
Bit of a stretch to at Charlton have kicked on dramatically, this was only Adkins’ second game and his first win...
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After appointing a manger with no experience at this level and didn’t even consider other options this season is now a waste.... If the club had any ambition they’d have acted differently, Portsmouth appoint the cowleys, Sunderland appointed Lee Johnson, charlton appointed Neil Adkins......,, we appoint a women’s Sunday league manager!!! No offence to butler whatsoever but a line has to be drawn, again the cheap option was preferred and done us in good and proper. Sack the board!!!
There’s a village somewhere that’s lost its resident village idiot.
Can’t we block this WUM?
so can you please tell me why just cos someone does not agree with you that makes him a village idiot and deserves blocking
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They appointed Butler because Moore flecked off at short notice. Why would they have had someone lined up?
They have given butler a chance...i cant remember many naysayers at the time.
They are not the type for knee jerk reactions, unlike some of the so called supporters on her, and thank feck for that.
They are bank rolling our club. We would be buggered without.
They supported Moore. Can't see many people poo pooing the players coming in
They are actually have rovers to heart and are kind individuals. I am appreciative.
Some fans need to get their heads out of their arses and get the feck off football manager.
You would think it would be sensible to always have someone in mind, as John Ryan did with o Driscoll,
The cowleys and Adkins were available, we were in a much better position than both charlton and Pompey when Moore left, yet they’ve appointed those two managers and kicked on dramatically, the total opposite to us
Bit of a stretch to at Charlton have kicked on dramatically, this was only Adkins’ second game and his first win...
Granted
Pompey have won 4 on the bounce now though havent they? They were in worse form than us but have been transformed.
Adkins looks to have stamped his authority on charlton, made 6 changes today and played a lot more direct than they were previously.
We’ve not got any identity currently
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As I’ve posted before Mr Gibson is not a Doncaster Rovers supporter, he only ever posts when we loose and never says anything positive, he’ll have watched today’s match because it was an early kick off on Sky. I bet he goes on other local forums under other names when they loose Rotherham, Wednesday etc.
It's lose not loose
Really gets up my pips, you are not the only one
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As I’ve posted before Mr Gibson is not a Doncaster Rovers supporter, he only ever posts when we loose and never says anything positive, he’ll have watched today’s match because it was an early kick off on Sky. I bet he goes on other local forums under other names when they loose Rotherham, Wednesday etc.
It's lose not loose
Really gets up my pips, you are not the only one
Although we are pretty loose at the moment :chair: :chair:
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As I’ve posted before Mr Gibson is not a Doncaster Rovers supporter, he only ever posts when we loose and never says anything positive, he’ll have watched today’s match because it was an early kick off on Sky. I bet he goes on other local forums under other names when they loose Rotherham, Wednesday etc.
It's lose not loose
Really gets up my pips, you are not the only one
Although we are pretty loose at the moment :chair: :chair:
My bowels certainly are every time a ball comes into our area.
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Good grief. I knew I shouldn’t have read this. But against my better judgement I thought I’d give it a look.
Surely mandatory IQ tests is a must for forum users??
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They appointed Butler because Moore flecked off at short notice. Why would they have had someone lined up?
They have given butler a chance...i cant remember many naysayers at the time.
They are not the type for knee jerk reactions, unlike some of the so called supporters on her, and thank feck for that.
They are bank rolling our club. We would be buggered without.
They supported Moore. Can't see many people poo pooing the players coming in
They are actually have rovers to heart and are kind individuals. I am appreciative.
Some fans need to get their heads out of their arses and get the feck off football manager.
You would think it would be sensible to always have someone in mind, as John Ryan did with o Driscoll,
The cowleys and Adkins were available, we were in a much better position than both charlton and Pompey when Moore left, yet they’ve appointed those two managers and kicked on dramatically, the total opposite to us
Bit of a stretch to at Charlton have kicked on dramatically, this was only Adkins’ second game and his first win...
Granted
Pompey have won 4 on the bounce now though havent they? They were in worse form than us but have been transformed.
Adkins looks to have stamped his authority on charlton, made 6 changes today and played a lot more direct than they were previously.
We’ve not got any identity currently
We have. It is as a soft touch.
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As I’ve posted before Mr Gibson is not a Doncaster Rovers supporter, he only ever posts when we loose and never says anything positive, he’ll have watched today’s match because it was an early kick off on Sky. I bet he goes on other local forums under other names when they loose Rotherham, Wednesday etc.
It's lose not loose
Really gets up my pips, you are not the only one
I really sorry for upsetting you with my spelling but have you ever thought that some people might have difficulties with their English and spelling, luckily I don’t it was a mistake by me.
Anyway back in the perfect world
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Lovely glad you recognised your mistake, basic spelling
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Lovely glad you recognised your mistake, basic spelling
Maybe using the word “Pips”, which isn’t actually a word, while trying to correct grammar isn’t the best point you could make?
This forum is falling into a spat between children who do nothing but try to score points off each other.
Having a difference of opinion is the point of these but this one is rapidly descending into a bunch of clowns who are talking a lot and saying absolutely nothing.
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The usual board arse kickers are out in force it’s pretty sad to see tbf, some have there own agendas to being ok with the mods but each to there own....
You should be grateful that the owners put in £2m to support the club matey .
Without that £2m coming in Rovers would possibly be in League Two and not pulling any trees up there either .
The £2m makes a massive difference in League One .
You don't know how lucky you are to have ownership who financially support your club out of their own pockets .
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I can't believe how ungrateful some of our fans are.
I'm sure if the 'right manager' was available he and his team would have been appointed as Darren Moore's successor. The fact they've opted for Butler, tells me that they have faith in their process and perseverance is key. I would much rather finish top 10 this season knowing the board will appoint the right person to take us forward at the right time.
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The right time being the week before the season starts?
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They didn’t even look who was available,
Both the charlton and Portsmouth managers were available but we didn’t even give them a consideration
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I can't believe how ungrateful some of our fans are.
I'm sure if the 'right manager' was available he and his team would have been appointed as Darren Moore's successor. The fact they've opted for Butler, tells me that they have faith in their process and perseverance is key. I would much rather finish top 10 this season knowing the board will appoint the right person to take us forward at the right time.
You would be happy with top 10 despite nearly going top at Christmas and being embedded in the playoffs for weeks?
It's been a monumental collapse compounded by baffling decisions from the club.
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We've been through this before.... At the sharp end of the season do you want to spend quite a time advertising, short listing, interviewing and in deciding to appoint someone as manager who will not know at least some of the squad, who will not know the detail of the structures, the routines and the strengths and weaknesses of some of the players? And, of course, who will change things even if only to impose his authority. The alternative is to appoint someone from within on the basis that they will know all of the above. The weakness of the latter is that the man in pole position has very little experience. His strength is that he is there and he knows all those details. You pays yer money and you takes yer choice.
We will all have our own opinions, but there is sound logic underlying the appointment of AB.
BobG
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Yes Bob there was sound logic but is it sound logic to keep him on now it’s gone wrong and leave him in charge off contract renewals ect or start the process off letting the new man have a month with the lads and asses what he wants in the summer so we can go from the off next season ?
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Not many other individuals will invest millions of their personal money knowing they will never see a real reward for it. Whilst not wanting to appear sycophantic and sucking up to the board, i think criticism of them to this extent is unwarranted. Butler's success initially against Portsmouth and Plymouth looked like we had made a successful appointment. However we seem to have slipped back into Moore style lethargy now. An urgent re-think is required now especially as we need to attract ST money in for 21/22. Having a major pop at the board though is unhelpful and counter productive to me.
Not many people will buy a season ticket next season. Most of the ones I know will not be.
I hope the club are planning for an empty stadium again next season.
Whilst I agree that a season that promised so much appears to have fallen away to a team now seemingly destined to finish outside the play offs this season. I really don't understand why people wouldn't buy season ticket or indeed turn up to watch Donny play next season. Blaming the board isn't right either, given their backing of DM around January. OK the appointment of Andy Butler hasn't worked out, but had it done so and the team had actually gone on to get promotion or themselves into the play offs then everyone on here would have been hailing the board for making an astute appointment. It hasn't worked out, disappointing I agree. I for one had hoped for better given the sides position and performances not so long ago. But its still a great little club, it has a fantastic stadium and infrastructure and a great fan base.
Of course, none of us are able to travel to games at the moment still, but we still miss our weekly trips to the keepmoat and will do even after the stadiums are open again because of course we will be elsewhere. Supporting a great little club like Donny next season will be more important then ever, so I would implore anyone thinking of not buying a season ticket or attending games next season to think again.
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We are all grateful for the board putting the money in but how do we know no one else would come in if the club was put up for sale?.
Other clubs get bought but it has to be out there to buy.
On the manager side would these guys put a inexperienced manager in place at their business? I wouldn’t have thought so. Football is a gamble and most football clubs no this so they have to take a few or if they are not prepared to then put the club up for sale and see what comes of it. But I think the real answer lies in the club not having a John Ryan like figure who shows the enthusiasm to take the club forward, a team like us who was in with a real chance of promotion should have gone for a experienced manager to get us over the line not a Andy butler who is trying but is not ready in my opinion yet. As for the players it will take someone like a Roy Keane type figure to come in and kick there behinds to at least get them interested again.
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We are all grateful for the board putting the money in but how do we know no one else would come in if the club was put up for sale?.
Other clubs get bought but it has to be out there to buy.
On the manager side would these guys put a inexperienced manager in place at their business? I wouldn’t have thought so. Football is a gamble and most football clubs no this so they have to take a few or if they are not prepared to then put the club up for sale and see what comes of it. But I think the real answer lies in the club not having a John Ryan like figure who shows the enthusiasm to take the club forward, a team like us who was in with a real chance of promotion should have gone for a experienced manager to get us over the line not a Andy butler who is trying but is not ready in my opinion yet. As for the players it will take someone like a Roy Keane type figure to come in and kick there behinds to at least get them interested again.
But not actually Roy Keane himself. No thank you.
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I've been around long enough to remember the early periods of Stan Anderson's tenure which was pretty poor and the first 3 months of Sean O'Driscolls management of the Rovers and those really were dire! These guys became very proficient managers of our club.
I think because Andy Butler is from in house we expected instant remedies- it doesn't happen very often in football. New manager bounce is usually only temporary as well so we should give Andy a break and let him manage the team this season at least. It is far too early to cast him as a failure!
Most of us know our team was achieving results which at best were undeserved and in a lot of cases very lucky earlier in the season under Moore. Unfortunately the luck has turned for AB but I really hope he can be a success going forward.
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Difference was Odriscoll was changing the way we played to his philosophy. Butler just appears to have carried on from Moore and not tried anything different despite crap performance after crap performance.
The time is now get someone in. Give him the last 10 games to see who fits his style and then a full summer. We're a couple of defeats now from the season being over anyway.
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Lovely glad you recognised your mistake, basic spelling
Maybe using the word “Pips”, which isn’t actually a word, while trying to correct grammar isn’t the best point you could make?
This forum is falling into a spat between children who do nothing but try to score points off each other.
Having a difference of opinion is the point of these but this one is rapidly descending into a bunch of clowns who are talking a lot and saying absolutely nothing.
Nothing to do with grammar, purely spelling
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Lovely glad you recognised your mistake, basic spelling
Maybe using the word “Pips”, which isn’t actually a word, while trying to correct grammar isn’t the best point you could make?
This forum is falling into a spat between children who do nothing but try to score points off each other.
Having a difference of opinion is the point of these but this one is rapidly descending into a bunch of clowns who are talking a lot and saying absolutely nothing.
Nothing to do with grammar, purely spelling
Wrong I'm afraid. The spelling of the word is correct. It was used in the wrong context however ie a grammatical mistake. ;) ;)
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God, I bet you lot are a riot at parties. Steady on, fellas.
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Lovely glad you recognised your mistake, basic spelling
Maybe using the word “Pips”, which isn’t actually a word, while trying to correct grammar isn’t the best point you could make?
This forum is falling into a spat between children who do nothing but try to score points off each other.
Having a difference of opinion is the point of these but this one is rapidly descending into a bunch of clowns who are talking a lot and saying absolutely nothing.
Nothing to do with grammar, purely spelling
Wrong I'm afraid. The spelling of the word is correct. It was used in the wrong context however ie a grammatical mistake. ;) ;)
In the context of it's usage the word is spelled incorrectly as the poster agreed, nothing to do with grammar
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Another person who can’t see sense and why should I be eliminated due to your comments?????
You should be eliminated due to your comments.
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There’s no point posting on here as it’s completely denied by the readers....... all I’ll say is watch this space!!!
The one between your ears, presumably.
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Why appoint butler???? Worst decision amongst dozens this board has made .....if anyone can reason why fair enough......cheap option hoping to get lucky ........ enough said
You might have more credibility had you said any of this at the time he was appointed, it all applied then as much as it does now.
But, of course, you said absolutely f**k all when he was appointed. Where were you then? Gobshite.
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There's literally 1 maybe 2 teams a year that get to the championship on gates like ours. We are then in a mix of 10-12 clubs all probably on level playing fields. I'd also say barring Peterborough our ambition is very similar of the rest of the teams who get gates as big as ours.
The board backed Moore in January however all his signings so far have turned out to be poor ones. Yes including Bostock and Bogle so far. Think we've got carried away with Bogle because he can do the basic of hold a ball up which we've not had in 2 seasons.
I keep hearing all this about them backing Moore in January.
A couple of loans and short term signings.
We didn't replace Marquis or Whiteman despite receiving significant sums.
Backing the manager for me is allowing him to go and replace these players but targeting players at other clubs and signing them up to a decent length contract
It was Moore’s decision to re- sign Smith which was a hike in money and Sims rather than buy players. We also got Bogle, Bostock on permanents also not on the cheap and got Robertson on loan, 5 players not sure how that’s not backing the manager and in respect to Whiteman and Marquis being replaced again it’s down to the manager he stated who he wanted the board backed him
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Lovely glad you recognised your mistake, basic spelling
Maybe using the word “Pips”, which isn’t actually a word, while trying to correct grammar isn’t the best point you could make?
This forum is falling into a spat between children who do nothing but try to score points off each other.
Having a difference of opinion is the point of these but this one is rapidly descending into a bunch of clowns who are talking a lot and saying absolutely nothing.
Nothing to do with grammar, purely spelling
Wrong I'm afraid. The spelling of the word is correct. It was used in the wrong context however ie a grammatical mistake. ;) ;)
Using the wrong context isn't a grammatical mistake. You can use the incorrect context and still be grammatically correct. Sorry.
Using loose instead of correctly using lose was a malapropism.
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Two words with entirely different meanings too. It shouldn't be hard to use the correct one. See what I did there by the way? An even better example.
BobG
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I’d like to see a board with ambition and not lie.
what have they lied about??
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If the owners can’t take us forwards then sell up... unfortunately we might be in a scenario where certain individuals are better off running the club.
no one wants to buy it
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After appointing a manger with no experience at this level and didn’t even consider other options this season is now a waste.... If the club had any ambition they’d have acted differently, Portsmouth appoint the cowleys, Sunderland appointed Lee Johnson, charlton appointed Neil Adkins......,, we appoint a women’s Sunday league manager!!! No offence to butler whatsoever but a line has to be drawn, again the cheap option was preferred and done us in good and proper. Sack the board!!!
Have the board come out in support of their man yet ?
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The public vote of confidence from a board is always exactly what a manager wants to hear.
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Lovely glad you recognised your mistake, basic spelling
Maybe using the word “Pips”, which isn’t actually a word, while trying to correct grammar isn’t the best point you could make?
This forum is falling into a spat between children who do nothing but try to score points off each other.
Having a difference of opinion is the point of these but this one is rapidly descending into a bunch of clowns who are talking a lot and saying absolutely nothing.
Nothing to do with grammar, purely spelling
Wrong I'm afraid. The spelling of the word is correct. It was used in the wrong context however ie a grammatical mistake. ;) ;)
In the context of it's usage the word is spelled incorrectly as the poster agreed, nothing to do with grammar
Incorrect use of the apostrophe really gets on my pips.....
;)
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Yep got me there .... ITS
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I don’t see any multimillionaires braying on our door stating they’re willing to Chuck potentially tens of millions of pounds into a 3rd tier football league side which loses money hand over fist year in, year out - if someone likes that did turn up we’d need to do massive due diligence to ensure it’s not another charlatan or worse a convicted fraudster like Richardson - I say, there’s nothing to see here, we’re fine thank you.
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To get Sims back and sign players then board gave the then manager all the backing he asked for and gave him a considerable sum of money to back up a potential promotion push and a couple of weeks later he took his hook away.
Brilliant on his count and must have really cemented the trust the board has in people in the future.
To criticise anything the board has done about our present situation, which is not a reflection on the present manager, but the playing staff entirely, and their whole attitude to winning a game of football as Fatty Evans publicly called them out about and has been proved correct is totally barking up the wrong tree IMHO.
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In terms of new investment, i'm curious, do the current owners go out and try and actively attract new investment?
John Ryan did, he managed to bring Watson and Bramall on board didn't he?
Many clubs manage to attract new owners/investment, why should we be any different?
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If the owners can’t take us forwards then sell up... unfortunately we might be in a scenario where certain individuals are better off running the club.
no one wants to buy it
And you know this how exactly?
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Gibson has done it again, thrown in a hand grenade and got everybody fighting amongst themselves while he sits back in his Leeds shirt and chuckles.
When will you all learn to ignore the tool.
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If the owners can’t take us forwards then sell up... unfortunately we might be in a scenario where certain individuals are better off running the club.
no one wants to buy it
And you know this how exactly?
Derby County just been bought.
Always people wanting to buy.
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When did this happen?. Living in East Mids all we hear footiie wise is about Forest and Derby on local news, the last report said the take over had collapsed and that was just a couple of days ago. Put the link up to your information or is just you talking bo!!ocks again?
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When did this happen?. Living in East Mids all we hear footiie wise is about Forest and Derby on local news, the last report said the take over had collapsed and that was just a couple of days ago. Put the link up to your information or is just you talking bo!!ocks again?
https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2021/04/derby-county-football-club-statement-no-limits-sports-takeover-agreed-subject-to-efl-approval
There ya go. Do keep up next time.
Oh and Ipswich have just been bought too.
https://www.itfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/statement-from-marcus-evans/
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Read it again agreement reached subject to EFL approval so not sold, good try though.
Ipswich have not been bought majority stake has been sold but as I understand it 20% still held by Marcus Evans group
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Read it again agreement reached subject to EFL approval so not sold, good try though.
Ipswich have not been bought majority stake has been sold but as I understand it 20% still held by Marcus Evans group
How can something be sold but not have been bought?
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Read it again agreement reached subject to EFL approval so not sold, good try though.
Ipswich have not been bought majority stake has been sold but as I understand it 20% still held by Marcus Evans group
:lol:.
Clutching at straws there lad.
Point is there's buyers and investors out there.
I await your apology
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So, tell me the difference between us and Derby, Ipswich for example that makes them a more attractive proposition?
What about Wigan? Would you say they are an attractive Club to 'invest' in?
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Read it again agreement reached subject to EFL approval so not sold, good try though.
Ipswich have not been bought majority stake has been sold but as I understand it 20% still held by Marcus Evans group
:lol:.
Clutching at straws there lad.
Point is there's buyers and investors out there.
I await your apology
Well they're not beating down our door.
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Read it again agreement reached subject to EFL approval so not sold, good try though.
Ipswich have not been bought majority stake has been sold but as I understand it 20% still held by Marcus Evans group
How can something be sold but not have been bought?
Have you never seen an estate agents board outside a property saying sold? It isn't actually sold until contracts are exchanged. Same thing isn't it?
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Read it again agreement reached subject to EFL approval so not sold, good try though.
Ipswich have not been bought majority stake has been sold but as I understand it 20% still held by Marcus Evans group
:lol:.
Clutching at straws there lad.
Point is there's buyers and investors out there.
I await your apology
Well they're not beating down our door.
Have we let anyone know we are for sale?
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Read it again agreement reached subject to EFL approval so not sold, good try though.
Ipswich have not been bought majority stake has been sold but as I understand it 20% still held by Marcus Evans group
:lol:.
Clutching at straws there lad.
Point is there's buyers and investors out there.
I await your apology
Well they're not beating down our door.
Wouldn't expect it to be honest.
Is it something the club actively pursue? - getting further investment.
I ask because tb isn't going to be doing it forever.
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"EFL Club for sale. Assets - virtually zero. Prospects-14,900 capacity leased stadium with average attendances 6 to 8,000. Current status. League One
Investment required. Min Approx £20m over 10 years. Returns = Tolerance at best. Criticism and condemnation otherwise. Thick skin required“
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"EFL Club for sale. Assets - virtually zero. Prospects-14,900 capacity leased stadium with average attendances 6 to 8,000. Current status. League Two.
Investment required. Min Approx £20m over 10 years. Returns = Tolerance at best. Criticism and condemnation otherwise. Thick skin required“
Think we will stay out of League 2 for another season at least DBR. ;)
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"EFL Club for sale. Assets - virtually zero. Prospects-14,900 capacity leased stadium with average attendances 6 to 8,000. Current status. League Two.
Investment required. Min Approx £20m over 10 years. Returns = Tolerance at best. Criticism and condemnation otherwise. Thick skin required“
Think we will stay out of League 2 for another season at least DBR. ;)
Good point. Doh!
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Read it again agreement reached subject to EFL approval so not sold, good try though.
Ipswich have not been bought majority stake has been sold but as I understand it 20% still held by Marcus Evans group
:lol:.
Clutching at straws there lad.
Point is there's buyers and investors out there.
I await your apology
All in good time lad, the Derby owner is desperate to sell, a couple of weeks ago he was selling to some Arab chappie that went well didn't it. Lets see if it goes through this time, how many times were Bolton or Wigan "sold"?
Investing in a club such ss Ipswich is hardly buying it, again let's wait and see if these deals go through,then that's the time for apologies which I will willingly offer
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"EFL Club for sale. Assets - virtually zero. Prospects-14,900 capacity leased stadium with average attendances 6 to 8,000. Current status. League One
Investment required. Min Approx £20m over 10 years. Returns = Tolerance at best. Criticism and condemnation otherwise. Thick skin required“
How do the likes of Peterborough and Rotherham attract significant investment on that basis?
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"EFL Club for sale. Assets - virtually zero. Prospects-14,900 capacity leased stadium with average attendances 6 to 8,000. Current status. League One
Investment required. Min Approx £20m over 10 years. Returns = Tolerance at best. Criticism and condemnation otherwise. Thick skin required“
How do the likes of Peterborough and Rotherham attract significant investment on that basis?
How is it an investment?
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"EFL Club for sale. Assets - virtually zero. Prospects-14,900 capacity leased stadium with average attendances 6 to 8,000. Current status. League One
Investment required. Min Approx £20m over 10 years. Returns = Tolerance at best. Criticism and condemnation otherwise. Thick skin required“
How do the likes of Peterborough and Rotherham attract significant investment on that basis?
How is it an investment?
Okay, if you want to be pedantic, I will rephrase.
How do they find people to pump in significant amounts of money?
It seems to be the thinking, there is no one out there who will put money into the club, other than the current owners. Other clubs manage to find people.
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Haven't those two clubs had the same money men backing them for a few years now haven't they?
Would you prefer McAnthony to Terry Bramhall?
I always feel he's only ever a strop away from pulling the plug on Peterborough.
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Seen this question asked a few times now.
But do the club actively seek new investment?
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For any supporter of Donny Rovers to rabbit on about accepting money from just about anybody is a clear demonstration of just how short memories are. It's on a par with me saying I think Mrs Thatcher was a fantastic Prime Minister because she stopped everybody going on strike. We don't deserve to have a football club to support, and we won't have one to support, if this sort of thinking, this Thatcherite demanding to have everything and to have it right now, passes unchallenged. It is thinking without the use of brain cells. It is emotional demanding and it has no reference to any realities of the world.
BobG
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I know I take some stick but I’ve had a look at the realities and possible situations but after this reign of stubbornness I doubt anything would change.
Director of football??? None starter
Why employ butler?? Nobody has a clue why
Pompey appoint cowleys, charlton appoint Adkins in a crucial period of the season, we appoint a women’s Sunday league manager.
There’s a point of no return at points in time, and despite all the silence from the board which I think is just as annoying as there decisions, the fans would rather Baldwin or blunt say.... ok it’s a major balls up... but they won’t as they have shares in the club.
The club needs to be honest and explain to the fans why every manager goes elsewhere!!! We all know why so let’s hear it from the top. Just a genuine opinion and factually based.
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Haven't those two clubs had the same money men backing them for a few years now haven't they?
Would you prefer McAnthony to Terry Bramhall?
I always feel he's only ever a strop away from pulling the plug on Peterborough.
I’m unsure about Mcanthony being one strop away from pulling the plug on Posh; more like one fraud away from a jail term.
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Are you thick Gibbo? We all know why Butler was appointed. It's bleeding obvious. Except to those without the ability to think.
BobG
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For any supporter of Donny Rovers to rabbit on about accepting money from just about anybody is a clear demonstration of just how short memories are. It's on a par with me saying I think Mrs Thatcher was a fantastic Prime Minister because she stopped everybody going on strike. We don't deserve to have a football club to support, and we won't have one to support, if this sort of thinking, this Thatcherite demanding to have everything and to have it right now, passes unchallenged. It is thinking without the use of brain cells. It is emotional demanding and it has no reference to any realities of the world.
BobG
Good God.
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Are you thick Gibbo? We all know why Butler was appointed. It's bleeding obvious. Except to those without the ability to think.
BobG
Go on. Enlighten the mentally challenged among us, you patronising prat.
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"EFL Club for sale. Assets - virtually zero. Prospects-14,900 capacity leased stadium with average attendances 6 to 8,000. Current status. League One
Investment required. Min Approx £20m over 10 years. Returns = Tolerance at best. Criticism and condemnation otherwise. Thick skin required“
How do the likes of Peterborough and Rotherham attract significant investment on that basis?
How is it an investment?
Okay, if you want to be pedantic, I will rephrase.
How do they find people to pump in significant amounts of money?
It seems to be the thinking, there is no one out there who will put money into the club, other than the current owners. Other clubs manage to find people.
Redarmy. Might I suggest you google “football clubs and money laundering”
Where there is money (lots of it) there is usually some form of corruption. The two go hand in hand.
Perhaps there are not too many clubs at it, but be under no illusion it is happening. In the case of Peterborough, You don’t have to research MacAnthony too much to find the breadcrumbs of crime and criminality.
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Isn’t DM one of three co-owners at Posh?
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If you can't work it out for yourself redarmy, there's not much point anyone telling you. You wouldn't understand. You thick prat.
Regards
BobG
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Isn’t DM one of three co-owners at Posh?
Yes. im sure one of the other guys is a canadian investor.
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Hope your well Bob, it’s just a passage that is occurring and the owners etc are burying there heads in the sand mate hoping it goes away...
Whilst they continue to do this and completely blank fans questions,it’s a recipe for disaster mate. Let’s be frank not one pro board supporter can back the boards ambition compared with charlton appointing adkins andPompey the cowleys.... that says everything mate....they don’t want it, if they did why appoint Andy butler???If they seriously wanted promotion butler wouldn’t be appointed and that’s a fact!!!!....
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Bloody hell, this is getting ridiculous.
For me it comes down to whether we have a club that is run on sound principles, that seeks to do things the right way and that we can be proud of.
I’ve been in love with Rovers since my Dad took me in the 1973/74 season. I was 6 and the excitement, the bad language, the smell of beer, cigarettes and so on... intoxicating for a little lad stood against the hoardings at the front because I couldn’t see anything back in the crowd...
The atmosphere, the sense of unity, the collective joy, or more often, despair... all wonderful loking back.
We were always a third or fourth division side. It didn’t matter. Seeing the likes of Kitch, Big Bren, Ian Miller, then the Snods, Tommy Gaynor, Duggie, Bruno... the list goes on.
We almost died as a club when we allowed the criminal element into the club. So, it’s all the more reassuring that we have the stability now that we do. We’ve been to the brink of the abyss, but unlike many others, we were resuscitated by a fan driven movement, and by JR, with support from others. What a ride that was, eh?
Rovers bounced back stronger than they had ever been.
Then the KM2 were brought into the fold and the upward trajectory continued.
We used to get 2000 fans just about back on the day... We’ve grown despite of all the other entertainment/distraction options out there. That’s to do with the club doing great things on the pitch and increasingly, off it.
It’s not been all unicorns and puppy dogs though has it? The experiment, the bizarre takeover shenanigans by some dodgy offshore hedge fund on the basis of a faxed bank statement...
The profile of the club has been raised by the League Cup run under Penney, by the enthusiasm of an ever media-ready John Ryan, by our achievements under O’Driscoll and Kelly, by Brentford, by Wembley, and by the likes of a certain James Coppinger...
The club is respected and we’re no longer a northern football backwater.
We’re comfortably an established League One side and we could very well sustain a Championship berth, I believe.
This current situation is a bit of a reset. It happens. The calibre of applicants we receive is an indication of how well the club is regarded.
Of course, money and greed turns heads. Always has. Always will. That’s life.
But that’s part of the adventure isn’t it?
I tried to think of another club that has had such a dramatic series of events on the pitch this century. I’m totally biased but I can’t think of one...
This is a blip. I’m actually excited. Because at each reset, we’ve come out stronger in some ways.
Faith. Belief.
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Bloody hell, this is getting ridiculous.
For me it comes down to whether we have a club that is run on sound principles, that seeks to do things the right way and that we can be proud of.
I’ve been in love with Rovers since my Dad took me in the 1973/74 season. I was 6 and the excitement, the bad language, the smell of beer, cigarettes and so on... intoxicating for a little lad stood against the hoardings at the front because I couldn’t see anything back in the crowd...
The atmosphere, the sense of unity, the collective joy, or more often, despair... all wonderful loking back.
We were always a third or fourth division side. It didn’t matter. Seeing the likes of Kitch, Big Bren, Ian Miller, then the Snods, Tommy Gaynor, Duggie, Bruno... the list goes on.
We almost died as a club when we allowed the criminal element into the club. So, it’s all the more reassuring that we have the stability now that we do. We’ve been to the brink of the abyss, but unlike many others, we were resuscitated by a fan driven movement, and by JR, with support from others. What a ride that was, eh?
Rovers bounced back stronger than they had ever been.
Then the KM2 were brought into the fold and the upward trajectory continued.
We used to get 2000 fans just about back on the day... We’ve grown despite of all the other entertainment/distraction options out there. That’s to do with the club doing great things on the pitch and increasingly, off it.
It’s not been all unicorns and puppy dogs though has it? The experiment, the bizarre takeover shenanigans by some dodgy offshore hedge fund on the basis of a faxed bank statement...
The profile of the club has been raised by the League Cup run under Penney, by the enthusiasm of an ever media-ready John Ryan, by our achievements under O’Driscoll and Kelly, by Brentford, by Wembley, and by the likes of a certain James Coppinger...
The club is respected and we’re no longer a northern football backwater.
We’re comfortably an established League One side and we could very well sustain a Championship berth, I believe.
This current situation is a bit of a reset. It happens. The calibre of applicants we receive is an indication of how well the club is regarded.
Of course, money and greed turns heads. Always has. Always will. That’s life.
But that’s part of the adventure isn’t it?
I tried to think of another club that has had such a dramatic series of events on the pitch this century. I’m totally biased but I can’t think of one...
This is a blip. I’m actually excited. Because at each reset, we’ve come out stronger in some ways.
Faith. Belief.
they will all know if the board get fed up of getting slagged off and PULL THE BLOODY PLUG
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was pretty much zero disdain at the appointment of Andy Butler until the end of the season at the time of his appointment, and especially not after he'd won his first two games in charge.
If appointing Andy Butler was as non-sensical as some posters are suggesting, then why were they not shouting about it at the time? Butler was clearly appointed for many reasons; continuity, of giving someone within the club who's unlikely to jump ship at the first opportunity a chance, and of steadying things in what remains a crazy fan-less season until we can take a proper stock of things in the summer.
The big difference between us and Charlton, and Portsmouth, is that they were replacing managers who were sacked, and so they would have been presumably looking down that process for months; we were replacing a manager who resigned, and so probably always had this approach lined up as a contingency, for this season at least, while budgets and such are stretched by the ongoing pandemic. Did the board want to deploy that contingency? Probably not, as like all of us, they would've hoped Moore was committed to a long-term project.
I've always called out practices by the club that I think are wrong or misguided (and I've taken my fair share of stick for it), but as disappointing and frustrating and annoying as results are on the field at the moment, I still think the board's approach, when the wider factors are considered is the most sensible one to take in a very unusual set of circumstances.
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Hope your well Bob, it’s just a passage that is occurring and the owners etc are burying there heads in the sand mate hoping it goes away...
Whilst they continue to do this and completely blank fans questions,it’s a recipe for disaster mate. Let’s be frank not one pro board supporter can back the boards ambition compared with charlton appointing adkins andPompey the cowleys.... that says everything mate....they don’t want it, if they did why appoint Andy butler???If they seriously wanted promotion butler wouldn’t be appointed and that’s a fact!!!!....
Please go and look up the meaning of the word fact. I can assure you it doesn't mean 'whatever Michael Gibson guesses', no matter how many exclamation marks you put after it like a twelve-year-old.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was pretty much zero disdain at the appointment of Andy Butler until the end of the season at the time of his appointment, and especially not after he'd won his first two games in charge.
If appointing Andy Butler was as non-sensical as some posters are suggesting, then why were they not shouting about it at the time? Butler was clearly appointed for many reasons; continuity, of giving someone within the club who's unlikely to jump ship at the first opportunity a chance, and of steadying things in what remains a crazy fan-less season until we can take a proper stock of things in the summer.
The big difference between us and Charlton, and Portsmouth, is that they were replacing managers who were sacked, and so they would have been presumably looking down that process for months; we were replacing a manager who resigned, and so probably always had this approach lined up as a contingency, for this season at least, while budgets and such are stretched by the ongoing pandemic. Did the board want to deploy that contingency? Probably not, as like all of us, they would've hoped Moore was committed to a long-term project.
I've always called out practices by the club that I think are wrong or misguided (and I've taken my fair share of stick for it), but as disappointing and frustrating and annoying as results are on the field at the moment, I still think the board's approach, when the wider factors are considered is the most sensible one to take in a very unusual set of circumstances.
People keep saying this but there were a few people saying it at the time.
I was happy with him taking the reigns but I thought it was naive to come out and say he had it until the end of the season and said so at the time, we’ve hung ourselves out to dry.
We could’ve given him the job while we started the long drawn out process which the board like, and we would now be in a position to employ someone else, as it is we’re down a road with nowhere to turn,
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Viva, you’ve obviously not read every post at the time. I clearly laid out my three pennyworth by saying I had absolutely nothing against AB, but I would have much preferred a more experienced appointment. Not exactly word for word, but I can’t be bothered to trawl back through all the posts.
Just saying.
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Im sick of the board bashing by the same people, seemingly looking to wind people up or cause some form of upset, without any evidence or care.
The guys in charge are putting their money in to our club, and keeping us (in the main) towards the top of the table, ok we've had a blip, but how can the board be to blame for any of it.
We have had justification in questioning the leadership of our club in the past, but that was with facts and evidence, not some made up bull...t by keyboard warriors.
Same group each and every time.
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I think there's some confusion with some people as to what is actually meant by the term "The Board". Terry Bramall is our benefactor; it's his money that's being pumped in to keep us out of debt. However, as far as I know, he leaves the footballing decisions to Gavin Baldwin and David Blunt.
Nobody knows what decisions they'll make from now up to the end of the season, and in the Summer; but the thing that concerns me most is the sale of season tickets for next season.
If we don't get things right, our revenue from these could be abysmally low.
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We could’ve given him the job while we started the long drawn out process which the board like, and we would now be in a position to employ someone else, as it is we’re down a road with nowhere to turn,
But what if we'd started that long process and in the interim Andy Butler had us competitively in the top four... then no doubt the board would be being criticised (not necessarily by you) for not taking a chance on one of our own etc.
Viva, you’ve obviously not read every post at the time.
I certainly haven't, largely for my own sanity. It's an approach I certainly endorse.
Perhaps I should've said 'barely any' rather than 'pretty much zero'. Either way, the point I was making in my post was that posters suggesting that 'no-one has a clue why' Butler was appointed are being wilfully obtuse, when it's clear there are lots of reasons why he was appointed.
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Having appointed Butler and now with the subsequent results being off the pace ..,why haven’t they come out and shown their support towards him and quell any unrest!!!
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Having appointed Butler and now with the subsequent results being off the pace ..,why haven’t they come out and shown their support towards him and quell any unrest!!!
“Quell any unrest!” Haha I’m sure that would nip it in the bud. Are you a comedian in your spare time?
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Having appointed Butler and now with the subsequent results being off the pace ..,why haven’t they come out and shown their support towards him and quell any unrest!!!
Don't you think that if the board did that their critics would just say that they were trying to justify their actions in appointing him in the first place?
I don't think that it would placate the more dissatisfied of our supporters.
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Viva, you’ve obviously not read every post at the time.
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I certainly haven't, largely for my own sanity. It's an approach I certainly endorse.
Viva, I have adopted that policy over the last few months.
I probably miss stuff but most of it isn’t important anyway.
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Having appointed Butler and now with the subsequent results being off the pace ..,why haven’t they come out and shown their support towards him and quell any unrest!!!
“Quell any unrest!” Haha I’m sure that would nip it in the bud. Are you a comedian in your spare time?
Are you saying most on here are fine and aren’t saying the AB should step down and the board got it wrong , So where is the boards show of support ..or is this demonstrated support manifested by them saying nothing and just let AB fight their battles . They’ve made a mistake and nothing can be done to change it but let results play out until the end . The next “ Meet the owners meeting “ is going to be very interesting!!
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Bloody hell, this is getting ridiculous.
For me it comes down to whether we have a club that is run on sound principles, that seeks to do things the right way and that we can be proud of.
I’ve been in love with Rovers since my Dad took me in the 1973/74 season. I was 6 and the excitement, the bad language, the smell of beer, cigarettes and so on... intoxicating for a little lad stood against the hoardings at the front because I couldn’t see anything back in the crowd...
The atmosphere, the sense of unity, the collective joy, or more often, despair... all wonderful loking back.
We were always a third or fourth division side. It didn’t matter. Seeing the likes of Kitch, Big Bren, Ian Miller, then the Snods, Tommy Gaynor, Duggie, Bruno... the list goes on.
We almost died as a club when we allowed the criminal element into the club. So, it’s all the more reassuring that we have the stability now that we do. We’ve been to the brink of the abyss, but unlike many others, we were resuscitated by a fan driven movement, and by JR, with support from others. What a ride that was, eh?
Rovers bounced back stronger than they had ever been.
Then the KM2 were brought into the fold and the upward trajectory continued.
We used to get 2000 fans just about back on the day... We’ve grown despite of all the other entertainment/distraction options out there. That’s to do with the club doing great things on the pitch and increasingly, off it.
It’s not been all unicorns and puppy dogs though has it? The experiment, the bizarre takeover shenanigans by some dodgy offshore hedge fund on the basis of a faxed bank statement...
The profile of the club has been raised by the League Cup run under Penney, by the enthusiasm of an ever media-ready John Ryan, by our achievements under O’Driscoll and Kelly, by Brentford, by Wembley, and by the likes of a certain James Coppinger...
The club is respected and we’re no longer a northern football backwater.
We’re comfortably an established League One side and we could very well sustain a Championship berth, I believe.
This current situation is a bit of a reset. It happens. The calibre of applicants we receive is an indication of how well the club is regarded.
Of course, money and greed turns heads. Always has. Always will. That’s life.
But that’s part of the adventure isn’t it?
I tried to think of another club that has had such a dramatic series of events on the pitch this century. I’m totally biased but I can’t think of one...
This is a blip. I’m actually excited. Because at each reset, we’ve come out stronger in some ways.
Faith. Belief.
Wow perspective!
That's the best thing posted on here in weeks
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Having appointed Butler and now with the subsequent results being off the pace ..,why haven’t they come out and shown their support towards him and quell any unrest!!!
“Quell any unrest!” Haha I’m sure that would nip it in the bud. Are you a comedian in your spare time?
Are you saying most on here are fine and aren’t saying the AB should step down and the board got it wrong , So where is the boards show of support ..or is this demonstrated support manifested by them saying nothing and just let AB fight their battles . They’ve made a mistake and nothing can be done to change it but let results play out until the end . The next “ Meet the owners meeting “ is going to be very interesting!!
the next meet the board meeting where you and Michael Gibson and other detractors suddenly have something else to do that night and don't attend
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Bloody hell, this is getting ridiculous.
For me it comes down to whether we have a club that is run on sound principles, that seeks to do things the right way and that we can be proud of.
I’ve been in love with Rovers since my Dad took me in the 1973/74 season. I was 6 and the excitement, the bad language, the smell of beer, cigarettes and so on... intoxicating for a little lad stood against the hoardings at the front because I couldn’t see anything back in the crowd...
The atmosphere, the sense of unity, the collective joy, or more often, despair... all wonderful loking back.
We were always a third or fourth division side. It didn’t matter. Seeing the likes of Kitch, Big Bren, Ian Miller, then the Snods, Tommy Gaynor, Duggie, Bruno... the list goes on.
We almost died as a club when we allowed the criminal element into the club. So, it’s all the more reassuring that we have the stability now that we do. We’ve been to the brink of the abyss, but unlike many others, we were resuscitated by a fan driven movement, and by JR, with support from others. What a ride that was, eh?
Rovers bounced back stronger than they had ever been.
Then the KM2 were brought into the fold and the upward trajectory continued.
We used to get 2000 fans just about back on the day... We’ve grown despite of all the other entertainment/distraction options out there. That’s to do with the club doing great things on the pitch and increasingly, off it.
It’s not been all unicorns and puppy dogs though has it? The experiment, the bizarre takeover shenanigans by some dodgy offshore hedge fund on the basis of a faxed bank statement...
The profile of the club has been raised by the League Cup run under Penney, by the enthusiasm of an ever media-ready John Ryan, by our achievements under O’Driscoll and Kelly, by Brentford, by Wembley, and by the likes of a certain James Coppinger...
The club is respected and we’re no longer a northern football backwater.
We’re comfortably an established League One side and we could very well sustain a Championship berth, I believe.
This current situation is a bit of a reset. It happens. The calibre of applicants we receive is an indication of how well the club is regarded.
Of course, money and greed turns heads. Always has. Always will. That’s life.
But that’s part of the adventure isn’t it?
I tried to think of another club that has had such a dramatic series of events on the pitch this century. I’m totally biased but I can’t think of one...
This is a blip. I’m actually excited. Because at each reset, we’ve come out stronger in some ways.
Faith. Belief.
Wow perspective!
That's the best thing posted on here in weeks
Cheers. Appreciate that. I just think it's good to stand back sometimes and look at the bigger picture. No club is ever going to get everything right. And it's an easy option to support a "big" club from the comfort of your armchair. As Rovers fans we choose not to do that, so fair play to everybody on here, frankly.
It'll be reight.
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When the ambition of the fan, far outweigh the abilities of the club to deliver the dream....
We end up with threads like these.!
I personally think the club should not divulge their ambitions/expectations whatsoever.....
They ( the club) produce the product , we ( the fans) are either happy with said product or not happy!
The club will know if it is working based upon revenue and attendances, and as they own the product they can tweak it accordingly.....
Fans/supporters can live in their own fantasy world ( chat boards like this) ...dissecting and analysing performances, however Nothing they say on these boards actually matters......it’s just an opinion..
I never thought Woolies would disapear.................it did !