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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 09:25:57 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:49:41 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 08:31:01 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.I haven't suggested they'd switch between Tory and Labour , I've suggested a Tory government is in danger from the Dems in their own back yard .They might lose the odd marginal, but you don't seem to factor in how powerful the whole Culture War concept is.Culturally, the LDs are further removed from the Tories than Labour are.The Lib Dem’s manifesto makes for scary reading.
Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:49:41 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 08:31:01 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.I haven't suggested they'd switch between Tory and Labour , I've suggested a Tory government is in danger from the Dems in their own back yard .They might lose the odd marginal, but you don't seem to factor in how powerful the whole Culture War concept is.Culturally, the LDs are further removed from the Tories than Labour are.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 08:31:01 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.I haven't suggested they'd switch between Tory and Labour , I've suggested a Tory government is in danger from the Dems in their own back yard .
Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .
Quote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.
Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.
Quote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .
Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.
Quote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?
That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.
Quote from: normal rules on January 25, 2022, 09:40:38 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 09:25:57 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:49:41 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 08:31:01 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.I haven't suggested they'd switch between Tory and Labour , I've suggested a Tory government is in danger from the Dems in their own back yard .They might lose the odd marginal, but you don't seem to factor in how powerful the whole Culture War concept is.Culturally, the LDs are further removed from the Tories than Labour are.The Lib Dem’s manifesto makes for scary reading. The above quote a quote a quote etc surely breaks the record for longest everOr it did
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 09:25:57 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:49:41 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 08:31:01 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.I haven't suggested they'd switch between Tory and Labour , I've suggested a Tory government is in danger from the Dems in their own back yard .They might lose the odd marginal, but you don't seem to factor in how powerful the whole Culture War concept is.Culturally, the LDs are further removed from the Tories than Labour are.The Lib Dem’s manifesto makes for scary reading.
Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:49:41 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 08:31:01 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.I haven't suggested they'd switch between Tory and Labour , I've suggested a Tory government is in danger from the Dems in their own back yard .They might lose the odd marginal, but you don't seem to factor in how powerful the whole Culture War concept is.Culturally, the LDs are further removed from the Tories than Labour are.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 08:31:01 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.I haven't suggested they'd switch between Tory and Labour , I've suggested a Tory government is in danger from the Dems in their own back yard .
Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .
Quote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.
Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.
Quote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .
When will people realise that much of the British public prefer someone who broke social distancing rules to someone who wanted to revoke a democratic vote!
Quote from: Donnywolf on January 26, 2022, 04:09:59 pmQuote from: normal rules on January 25, 2022, 09:40:38 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 09:25:57 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:49:41 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 08:31:01 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 08:23:20 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 25, 2022, 07:55:13 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on January 25, 2022, 07:25:29 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .F*cking hell, the prospect of snake oil Chuka Umunna as Prime Minister draws ever closer.Quote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 07:07:22 pmQuote from: drfchound on January 25, 2022, 06:58:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on January 25, 2022, 05:59:03 pmQuote from: selby on January 25, 2022, 05:52:23 pm That is the next big question Tyke, can Labour at the moment afford Johnson to be replaced. He is the only subject on their agenda at the moment, Covid, The Ukraine situation, the economy, fuel poverty, the main things to the electorate not really important to them, just get rid of Johnson, and the replacement no doubt will be a much bigger problem in a couple of years time if they manage to remove him.I think this particular Tory Party is done for personally Selby .I think the real question is can the Labour Party beat the Dems to form a majority government ?That is a good point tyke.It is very possible that lots of Tory voters will switch to the Libdems.If Labour were to stand down any candidates in traditional Tory voting constituencies it would certainly ensure in many cases as things stand today that the Tories wouldn't win enough of their traditional seats .With the former Red Wall returning it would be a pretty close thing in my opinion between Labour and The Dems .Whether they'd work together is of course open to debate .There's not a chance in a million of the Tories not being in the top 2 in a General Election anytime soon. There's a core of 25-30% who will never leave them. And they are well distributed across constituencies. So it's almost inconceivable that they'd ever get much fewer that 200 seats.Well it isn't inconceivable is it because they only won 165 seats in 1997 .So it is possible given the damage they've contributed to themselves today is far more than in the mid 90's .That's several worlds away. Voters used to switch in large numbers directly between Lab and Con in those days. They do it far less these days.I haven't suggested they'd switch between Tory and Labour , I've suggested a Tory government is in danger from the Dems in their own back yard .They might lose the odd marginal, but you don't seem to factor in how powerful the whole Culture War concept is.Culturally, the LDs are further removed from the Tories than Labour are.The Lib Dem’s manifesto makes for scary reading. The above quote a quote a quote etc surely breaks the record for longest everOr it did Not trying to extend the record here DW, but I have seen far more quote above quote etc posts on here mate.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on January 26, 2022, 03:47:04 pmWhen will people realise that much of the British public prefer someone who broke social distancing rules to someone who wanted to revoke a democratic vote!And who wanted to revoke the Brexit vote?
Right, it's one of THOSE nights is it? I'm out.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 26, 2022, 06:06:17 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on January 26, 2022, 03:47:04 pmWhen will people realise that much of the British public prefer someone who broke social distancing rules to someone who wanted to revoke a democratic vote!And who wanted to revoke the Brexit vote?Funny why you thought of Brexit. If Starmer didn't want to revoke that vote, why would it even cross your mind to think that was the democratic vote I was talking about?
Yet still #starmerout is trending on twitter....Seems to be a race to the bottom for the main leaders.
I thought Bojo summed up stabber well today.He is not a leader, he is a lawyer.
Quote from: normal rules on January 26, 2022, 10:37:23 pmI thought Bojo summed up stabber well today.He is not a leader, he is a lawyer. Would you rather be led by a lawyer or a liar?
Quote from: Not Now Kato on January 26, 2022, 10:56:28 pmQuote from: normal rules on January 26, 2022, 10:37:23 pmI thought Bojo summed up stabber well today.He is not a leader, he is a lawyer. Would you rather be led by a lawyer or a liar?Dead original!
A bloke walks into a bar and shouts, “All Lawyers are ARSEHOLES!”A man shouts back at him “I take exception to that statement!”The first bloke said, “Are you a Lawyer?”The man responded, “No, I’m an arsehole!”
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on January 27, 2022, 07:43:07 amA bloke walks into a bar and shouts, “All Lawyers are ARSEHOLES!”A man shouts back at him “I take exception to that statement!”The first bloke said, “Are you a Lawyer?”The man responded, “No, I’m an arsehole!”That would be Mark Spencer then?
It is claimed that lawyers don't lie, but they sometimes hide the truth. The question is, is hiding the truth a form of lying?
What Stabber Starmer really is is a traitor to the UK electorate, He has voted 48 times against Brexit, some of them votes taken after the referendum result, he has colluded openly with the EU negotiators to undermine the UK electorates and the countries standing when negotiations of an agreement were on going. He is not and never will be a person to trust, in times gone by he would have been shot or in the tower and rightly so. And whats more when he says he now accepts Brexit is done, he is a bare faced liar.