To sum things up.

[Wellred]

After reading all the comments and posts on here over the weekend it appears that most of the so called Doncaster Rovers supporters think the following:

John Ryan is chairman in name only, Willie McKay is actually running the club.
John Ryan has done nothing but lie to the VSC members meeting, the Alliance members meeting and cannot be trusted to tell the truth.
Dean Saunders is just a puppet. Willie McKay will make all the decisions about who we sign, sell and who plays in the team.
Billy Sharp will leave in January along with several other players. At that point Willie McKay will fill the team with members of the French Foreign Legion.
At the end of the season we will get relegated.
If McKay stays we will just go from bad to worse.
If he goes we will regroup and get promoted the following season in a much healthier position.

[AbsolutDRFC]

After reading all the comments and posts on here over the weekend it appears that most of the so called Doncaster Rovers supporters think the following:

John Ryan is chairman in name only, Willie McKay is actually running the club.
John Ryan has done nothing but lie to the VSC members meeting, the Alliance members meeting and cannot be trusted to tell the truth.
Dean Saunders is just a puppet. Willie McKay will make all the decisions about who we sign, sell and who plays in the team.
Billy Sharp will leave in January along with several other players. At that point Willie McKay will fill the team with members of the French Foreign Legion.
At the end of the season we will get relegated.
If McKay stays we will just go from bad to worse.
If he goes we will regroup and get promoted the following season in a much healthier position.

Agreed; we seem to have turned into Wednesday and the Blades where their fans pray for things to go wrong, then they can say \"we told you so\"....

[The Red Baron]

After reading most of Wellred's comments over the last however-many months it appears that anyone who doesn't agree with him 100% at any particular time is not a true fan of DRFC.

[Wellred]

After reading most of Wellred's comments over the last however-many months it appears that anyone who doesn't agree with him 100% at any particular time is not a true fan of DRFC.

I didn't ask you to either agree or disagree with me.

Just my take on what a lot of \"Rovers Fans\" have posted on here in the last few days.

[Thinwhiteduke]

Dean Saunders is just a puppet. Willie McKay will make all the decisions about who we sign..

Correct

Billy Sharp will leave in January along with several other players. .

Probably correct if he scores a few more goals.

At the end of the season we will get relegated, If McKay stays, we will just go from bad to worse..

Correct. The two go hand in hand so Ive put 'em together

The rest of your points are merely making stuff up to satisfy your own argument, nowt new there granted.

Im sure you'll do your best to deride those witth differing opinions to your own, bless you, yet fail miserably.

[Wellred]

Dean Saunders is just a puppet. Willie McKay will make all the decisions about who we sign..

Correct

Billy Sharp will leave in January along with several other players. .

Probably correct if he scores a few more goals.

At the end of the season we will get relegated, If McKay stays, we will just go from bad to worse..

Correct. The two go hand in hand so Ive put 'em together

The rest of your points are merely making stuff up to satisfy your own argument, nowt new there granted.

Im sure you'll do your best to deride those witth differing opinions to your own, bless you, yet fail miserably.

Reading and understanding what is posted is still not one of your strong points is it?

[jmt]

If McKay has total control of ins and outs, please explain who is The director-chairman-manager?
Saunders is a puppet! If McKay brings in a player he has to play! He has no  say in that.
I would also ask if you think jr has told us the truth about events?
will we get relegated? Who knows.
If McKay leaves will we regroup and all be fine? I doubt it, for all the talk of us being a well run club, we have a huge wage bill of 8 million a year, that now needs to be cut in half.
The people who have allowed a club with 7-8k home fans (in good weather) gain a wage bill of that size need to look at themselves though.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Mckay doesn't thought have control of who goes in and out.  He essentially does a job of player recruitment, how many times has this happened at other clubs?  Quite often, in fact Steve Mclaren resigned because he didn't like it (despite the fact he knew about it when he took over), Spurs always used to do it aswell, though that changed when Harry took over.

Mckay has no control over who leaves, that is the board's decision.  He has no control over who is actually signed, he can get the players but Saunders decides if he wants them and the board still decide on the finances of deals.  Mckay is just the man who will arrange those deals.

Fans don't like this because they know about it, fact is Rovers have used agents to do things like this in the past, in fact we used to use one who also worked for Oldham (ever wonder why us and Oldham went for the same players?)

[jmt]

Willie McKay said himself that he has total control of those things!

[Filo]

Willie McKay said himself that he has total control of those things!

He also made derogatory comments about our club, we have no fanbase and he values us at nothing, and he`s only here for the money, he stands to lose nothing, where we stand to lose everything, we`ve gambled everything on red or black!

[Wellred]

Willie McKay said himself that he has total control of those things!

Funny that.........iWillie McKay says something so it has to be true.
John Ryan says something but he isn't telling the truth.

Bizarre.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Willie McKay said himself that he has total control of those things!

No he did not....

[jmt]

Ok then, was quoted as saying so by the daily mail?

[Wellred]

Ok then, was quoted as saying so by the daily mail?

Bloody hell the Daily Mail says it so it must be true. You will be telling us next you believe in Santa Claus.

[GazLaz]

I will sum things up in easy to understand points for the idiots on here.

John Ryan wants us in the Premier League. One season there will change the club forever.

This was not ever going to be possible under SOD and we were doing our b*llocks in just trying to stay in this league.

The only way we could try and make this possible is gamble. Either with money, which would put the long term future of the club at risk OR by trying this business model which will not end in financial meltdown.

Under the old regime relegation was inevitable in the next few years if not this year. Under this regime relegation is possible but so is anything else.

McKay is dealing with signings and DS is doing the coaching. The coach just being left to coach is common place at some of the worlds biggest clubs. It can work.

The team will not be full of short term players. There will be 4/5 of them max. It's no different to when we have had 4/5 loanees in and around the squad.

I don't see what the worry is, it could end up being a very innovative approach. If it goes well it will snowball and these high quality players will hang around longer. If it goes badly we will get relegated but at least we tried to move to the next level. If we left things as they were we would have gone down eventually anyway with a club losing 3mill a year.

If we do attract some names to join us, this will no doubt attract more people through the gates as well.

[john_donc857]

From what I can see its the S.O.D could do no wrong brigade that's kicking up the fuss. The reality is that he's left us with an ageing squad and a 8 million pound wage bill. What are the other alternatives to were we go from here. Players like stock oster copps. J.O.C lockwood chambers wilson hayter have had there better years and that's there for us all to see. Let's give it a go and back it 100 % and see were it takes us.

[jmt]

Read the article. Willie himself wanted to put the record straight.
If you have info to put me and others straight come out with it, its the only source of info that I have seen or heard that explains it in any detail, and is said to have come from the man himself.

[dickos1]

And if you listen to Saunders interview on player, you will see that Saunders categorically states nobody will be coming without his say so. Which is probably why we have these players training with us so he can look at them and see if they're up to scratch, like goulon and this ivory coast player who is training this week, kanga akale..

[Mr1Croft]

Dean Saunders is just a puppet. Willie McKay will make all the decisions about who we sign..

Correct

Billy Sharp will leave in January along with several other players. .

Probably correct if he scores a few more goals.

At the end of the season we will get relegated, If McKay stays, we will just go from bad to worse..

Correct. The two go hand in hand so Ive put 'em together

The rest of your points are merely making stuff up to satisfy your own argument, nowt new there granted.

Im sure you'll do your best to deride those witth differing opinions to your own, bless you, yet fail miserably.

Reading and understanding what is posted is still not one of your strong points is it?

Because you masterfully understood all the posts on here to make your list

It's this simple; McKay has been trusted to cut the wage bill from 8 million to 4 million with his amazing model.

The board have put their trust and the Club's footballing status in the hands of an agent; what could possibly go wrong?

[dumbroofer]

I will sum things up in easy to understand points for the idiots on here.

John Ryan wants us in the Premier League. One season there will change the club forever.

This was not ever going to be possible under SOD and we were doing our b*llocks in just trying to stay in this league.

The only way we could try and make this possible is gamble. Either with money, which would put the long term future of the club at risk OR by trying this business model which will not end in financial meltdown.

Under the old regime relegation was inevitable in the next few years if not this year. Under this regime relegation is possible but so is anything else.

McKay is dealing with signings and DS is doing the coaching. The coach just being left to coach is common place at some of the worlds biggest clubs. It can work.

The team will not be full of short term players. There will be 4/5 of them max. It's no different to when we have had 4/5 loanees in and around the squad.

I don't see what the worry is, it could end up being a very innovative approach. If it goes well it will snowball and these high quality players will hang around longer. If it goes badly we will get relegated but at least we tried to move to the next level. If we left things as they were we would have gone down eventually anyway with a club losing 3mill a year.

If we do attract some names to join us, this will no doubt attract more people through the gates as well.

ok for this idiot,how by bringing in 4 or 5 players max reduces a wage bill by 4m?
letting wm have total control of ins n outs. the man himself states he does not value us.

dean saunders man managment skills leave alot to be desired,as he already makes it crystal that he doesnt fancy a few of the players,hope im wrong on that.

yes i do hope this venture works out,but it now seems to me we have directors who want to put little or nothing in to the club any more.

[Wellred]

I think john_donc857 has put it perfectly.

[VikingJames]

Funny how people don't believe anything they read in the Daily Mail, until a story about Willie McKay comes around and they take every word as gospel.

[RoversAlias]

After reading most of Wellred's comments over the last however-many months it appears that anyone who doesn't agree with him 100% at any particular time is not a true fan of DRFC.

I didn't ask you to either agree or disagree with me.

Just my take on what a lot of \"Rovers Fans\" have posted on here in the last few days.

No but you are implying with little subtleties in your posts that you actually do believe that anybody who disagrees with you isn't a true fan, and has no right to speak up and challenge your viewpoint. It's things like \"so-called Rovers fans\" in the first post, and putting \"Rovers Fans\" in inverted commas here. Neither though are anywhere near as ridiculous as your patronising \"look, even this poster has better views than you AND SHE'S A GIRL! Who would have thought that were possible!?\" post yesterday.

In regards to your original post in this thread, I haven't seen many people iterate these things apart from one or two posters who have failed miserably to come up with a coherent, reasonable argument. Those of us who have disagreed with the pro-club viewpoint have generally made informed and sensible arguments.

[Mr1Croft]

From what I can see its the S.O.D could do no wrong brigade that's kicking up the fuss. The reality is that he's left us with an ageing squad and a 8 million pound wage bill. What are the other alternatives to were we go from here. Players like stock oster copps. J.O.C lockwood chambers wilson hayter have had there better years and that's there for us all to see. Let's give it a go and back it 100 % and see were it takes us.

1. He did not dicate the wage bill, he only spent what was allocated.

2. He did not leave us, he was sold out for a agent who represents all corruption in football

3. £4 million a year is really going to see us win the Premier league.

4. Agents like McKay have transformed the game of football into the huge money game it is today. Because of agents greed it has spread from players right up to chairmen accross the world and yet we are instructing him to work backwords? Fair play for him to try it, but if this is the way forward in the wonderful game of football why isn't he selling his ideas to the clubs struggling in the Premiership or better, why us?

5. The risk is too high, it's too much of a gamble, I think we stand to lose less doubling the wage bill and bringing better talent here long term; increasing team perofmances and sucess which will bring more revenue; that is what every other club does.

6. The only exception is Everton; but they have a stable structure; were tearing ours down and rebuilding with too many holes that we may just fall through and this time we might not get back up.

7. If we go down this season the plan is in the sh*t-tip and were paying Mckay for another year while he tries his best to bring Lyon C team players who failed trials at Morcambe; our own players won't want to be here and were crusing down the leagues before you know it.

[streatham dave]

Spot on Gazlaz. Anyone else on here sick to death of people on here moaning. Get a grip. Support the club or F Off. John Ryan more than anyone else will not want to put the club at risk. He has done nothing but goodfor the club and it would do some people the power of good to remember that.

[bobjimwilly]

Spot on Gazlaz. Anyone else on here sick to death of people on here moaning. Get a grip. Support the club or F Off. John Ryan more than anyone else will not want to put the club at risk. He has done nothing but goodfor the club and it would do some people the power of good to remember that.

99.9% off people on here trust John Ryan. That does not mean they have to trust anyone else at the club.

I would also hasten to add its one thing to support the club, it's another to blindly support the club.

And Wellred, you were calling for SODs head months before he was let go. Why weren't you just supporting the club then, instead of making all that noise for all that time?

[streatham dave]

I am not following John Ryan blindly nor am I suggesting others do. In my opinion (which is worth no more than anyone elses) SOD's time was up. That does not mean to say that what is happening now is right but it most certainly doesn't make it wrong.Can't everyone sit back just for a couple of months and see how things go so we can all be a little better informed. Man City supporters may have been suspicious of what was happening to them a few years ago but I bet you would struggle to find them now. Saunders is not a puppet. He still coaches the team and picks the team. JR is still the chairman and he has decided on this course of action and I'm sure he thinks he has good cause. The Daily mail was very condescending yesterday and The Sunday Mirror even worse- relegation too good for us. At least we're getting some attention now I suppose. Now is the time for us to pull together not bitch at each others points of view .

[bobjimwilly]

I agree we all need to pull together. The fans are the driving force behind the club and if we're all aiming in the same direction, it won't matter whether we stay up or get relegated

[hoolahoop]

I will sum things up in easy to understand points for the idiots on here.

John Ryan wants us in the Premier League. One season there will change the club forever.

This was not ever going to be possible under SOD and we were doing our b*llocks in just trying to stay in this league.

The only way we could try and make this possible is gamble. Either with money, which would put the long term future of the club at risk OR by trying this business model which will not end in financial meltdown.

Under the old regime relegation was inevitable in the next few years if not this year. Under this regime relegation is possible but so is anything else.

McKay is dealing with signings and DS is doing the coaching. The coach just being left to coach is common place at some of the worlds biggest clubs. It can work.

The team will not be full of short term players. There will be 4/5 of them max. It's no different to when we have had 4/5 loanees in and around the squad.

I don't see what the worry is, it could end up being a very innovative approach. If it goes well it will snowball and these high quality players will hang around longer. If it goes badly we will get relegated but at least we tried to move to the next level. If we left things as they were we would have gone down eventually anyway with a club losing 3mill a year.

If we do attract some names to join us, this will no doubt attract more people through the gates as well.

ok for this idiot,how by bringing in 4 or 5 players max reduces a wage bill by 4m?
letting wm have total control of ins n outs. the man himself states he does not value us.

dean saunders man managment skills leave alot to be desired,as he already makes it crystal that he doesnt fancy a few of the players,hope im wrong on that.

yes i do hope this venture works out,but it now seems to me we have directors who want to put little or nothing in to the club any more.

I agree with your post in it's entirety, some folk just can't see it...........as for me I have NO repeat NO support for this strategy.
Quite honestly it stinks and eventually some will wake up and realise it's too late far too late to do owt about it.
I'm gobsmacked that some of you intelligent folk on here have bought this pup.

[Norfolk N Chance]

After reading all the comments and posts on here over the weekend it appears that most of the so called Doncaster Rovers supporters think the following:

John Ryan is chairman in name only, Willie McKay is actually running the club.
John Ryan has done nothing but lie to the VSC members meeting, the Alliance members meeting and cannot be trusted to tell the truth.
Dean Saunders is just a puppet. Willie McKay will make all the decisions about who we sign, sell and who plays in the team.
Billy Sharp will leave in January along with several other players. At that point Willie McKay will fill the team with members of the French Foreign Legion.
At the end of the season we will get relegated.
If McKay stays we will just go from bad to worse.
If he goes we will regroup and get promoted the following season in a much healthier position.

Great stuff - You are matured well my friend this it stop on !