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Maybe this belongs in the coronavirus thread in “off topic”
The problem is, everyone won’t be jabbed twice because some refuse to have it. I know of 3 generations of one family who won’t have the jabs, because they don’t believe in vaccinations. Unbelievable!! Unfortunately, there are a lot more like them.
Quote from: Chris the Rover on July 15, 2021, 07:47:49 amThe problem is, everyone won’t be jabbed twice because some refuse to have it. I know of 3 generations of one family who won’t have the jabs, because they don’t believe in vaccinations. Unbelievable!! Unfortunately, there are a lot more like them.yes a whole family next door to me won’t have it rather and it is dammed annoying Why should you be annoyed, if your double jabbed, wear your mask then live your life like that & leave others to live theirs. The death rate is flat lining despite rising cases, do you not think that the more testing will show up in the results. No one I no doesn’t deny the COVID exists just that the government are over egging it to take our freedoms away. It’s more to do with climate change as Boris Johnson has signed us up to more carbon reduction by 2030.No more foreign holidays for most hard working Brits, just for the rich & ruling classes. I have even had the RSPB_nature telling me on Instagram that we shouldn’t be flying anymore & to stay in the uk!
Quote from: dickos1 on July 14, 2021, 11:01:40 pmMaybe this belongs in the coronavirus thread in “off topic” Why ? If some people have not bought your season ticket yet , is this the reason they are holding back so it’s relevant . After a year of doubt and financial chaos , this possibility may have long term implications!
Someone I know won’t have the jab “because Covid doesn’t exist, it’s all a massive fraud “ which is strange because two of his cricket club mates have got it and fixtures have had to be cancelled because of it.
Quote from: the vicar on July 15, 2021, 09:06:29 amQuote from: Chris the Rover on July 15, 2021, 07:47:49 amThe problem is, everyone won’t be jabbed twice because some refuse to have it. I know of 3 generations of one family who won’t have the jabs, because they don’t believe in vaccinations. Unbelievable!! Unfortunately, there are a lot more like them.yes a whole family next door to me won’t have it rather and it is dammed annoying Why should you be annoyed, if your double jabbed, wear your mask then live your life like that & leave others to live theirs. The death rate is flat lining despite rising cases, do you not think that the more testing will show up in the results. No one I no doesn’t deny the COVID exists just that the government are over egging it to take our freedoms away. It’s more to do with climate change as Boris Johnson has signed us up to more carbon reduction by 2030.No more foreign holidays for most hard working Brits, just for the rich & ruling classes. I have even had the RSPB_nature telling me on Instagram that we shouldn’t be flying anymore & to stay in the uk!
Quote from: Chris the Rover on July 15, 2021, 07:47:49 amThe problem is, everyone won’t be jabbed twice because some refuse to have it. I know of 3 generations of one family who won’t have the jabs, because they don’t believe in vaccinations. Unbelievable!! Unfortunately, there are a lot more like them.yes a whole family next door to me won’t have it rather and it is dammed annoying Why should you be annoyed, if your double jabbed, wear your mask then live your life like that & leave others to live theirs. The death rate is flat lining despite rising cases, do you not think that the more testing will show up in the results. No one I no doesn’t deny the COVID exists just that the government are over egging it to take our freedoms away. It’s more to do with climate change as Boris Johnson has signed us up to more carbon reduction by 2030.No more foreign holidays for most hard working Brits, just for the rich & ruling classes. I have even had the RSPB_nature telling me on Instagram that we shouldn’t be flying anymore & to stay in the uk!
If we can’t open up now (vast majority of at risk double jabbed) when the death rate is at a similar level to seasonal flu then when can we?? So IMO it becomes about whether your happy to live in lockdown or restrictions forever or not. Also It seems public opinion is heavily weighted on the side of opening whereas before it was with public consent. The option is still there for anyone worried they can find a way to lock themselves down to avoid catching it.
Quote from: Draytonian III on July 15, 2021, 07:56:31 amSomeone I know won’t have the jab “because Covid doesn’t exist, it’s all a massive fraud “ which is strange because two of his cricket club mates have got it and fixtures have had to be cancelled because of it.The sooner he cops a dose of it, the better. He might learn something.
But there’s 60 million or so been vaccinated, If you were worried about risk rates like this you’d never leave the house
Quote from: sedwardsdrfc on July 15, 2021, 07:58:02 amIf we can’t open up now (vast majority of at risk double jabbed) when the death rate is at a similar level to seasonal flu then when can we?? So IMO it becomes about whether your happy to live in lockdown or restrictions forever or not. Also It seems public opinion is heavily weighted on the side of opening whereas before it was with public consent. The option is still there for anyone worried they can find a way to lock themselves down to avoid catching it. It's not about death rate and never really has been. It's about the infection rate and trying to stop cases swamping the NHS, not only to the detriment of Covid patients but those with other illnesses too. The vast majority of covid patients don't die but the severest cases still need to be treated in a hospital.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on July 15, 2021, 10:08:22 amQuote from: Draytonian III on July 15, 2021, 07:56:31 amSomeone I know won’t have the jab “because Covid doesn’t exist, it’s all a massive fraud “ which is strange because two of his cricket club mates have got it and fixtures have had to be cancelled because of it.The sooner he cops a dose of it, the better. He might learn something.f**kin idiot!!A customer of mine had his 1st jab 13 weeks ago and he suffered pericarditis and a heart attack.38 years old and he's f**ked. A lady I know has got blood clots in three of her fingers. And another lady who I'll be doing a job for in 3 weeks had short term paralysis from the waist down.This is why a lot of people, including myself are hesitant.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on July 15, 2021, 10:14:10 amQuote from: sedwardsdrfc on July 15, 2021, 07:58:02 amIf we can’t open up now (vast majority of at risk double jabbed) when the death rate is at a similar level to seasonal flu then when can we?? So IMO it becomes about whether your happy to live in lockdown or restrictions forever or not. Also It seems public opinion is heavily weighted on the side of opening whereas before it was with public consent. The option is still there for anyone worried they can find a way to lock themselves down to avoid catching it. It's not about death rate and never really has been. It's about the infection rate and trying to stop cases swamping the NHS, not only to the detriment of Covid patients but those with other illnesses too. The vast majority of covid patients don't die but the severest cases still need to be treated in a hospital.So what’s the plan then? If with the current level of vaccinations we can’t open up when can we? With 100% vaccinations the issues your talking about still exist. The issue for NHS is the backlog of treatments caused by Covid and getting through them with everyone isolating. Covid patients are at a similar level to seasonal flu at the moment. Ok this will go up but the ability for it to go up hugely is limited. Basically I’m saying at what point is it ok to open if it isn’t now? What more can actually be done?