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He's a nice lad Branton (I know him vaguely) but as he has shown here anyone can let themselves be brainwashed if they want to.Which is the objective truth at the heart of this thread. Do you want to be governed by a government who are judged by scruitny of an open factual discussion of their actions - or do you just want to believe what they want you to believe and make the facts suit?
Quote from: wilts rover on April 06, 2022, 01:08:50 pmHe's a nice lad Branton (I know him vaguely) but as he has shown here anyone can let themselves be brainwashed if they want to.Which is the objective truth at the heart of this thread. Do you want to be governed by a government who are judged by scruitny of an open factual discussion of their actions - or do you just want to believe what they want you to believe and make the facts suit?Wilts sorry but it's the laziest of arguments that somebody who disagrees with you has been brainwashed. My views are wholly my own. Neither am I a fan of the Tories esp Boris Johnson who I've described variously on this forum as: -- "treating the electorate with contempt"; - "a weak/disreputable individual"; - "record and actions as PM are appalling in many areas"; - "has a lack of common sense/discretion"Does this sound like someone who has been brainwashed by the Johnson Government?!PS Your Gove quote from earlier. He wasn't talking about staying in the Single Market after Brexit but talking up the chances of us striking a free trade deal with the EU in order to stay in the "free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey". Hint: the clue to this is in your quote as Turkey isn't in the EU or the Single Market.
I wasn't referring to the Johnson government Branton. Nor was Gove referring to a free trade deal. Hint - he doesnt mention a free trade deal but that the UK will 'remain' in a trading zone.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on April 06, 2022, 12:27:03 pmCan't answer a complete repudiation of your bullshit? Then flounce off in huff! Glyn you claim you've been a Customs official for 20 years this suggests you're an adult; yet you resort to name calling the preserve of the playground which suggests you're a child.Saying the below leaflet doesn't say the words "Single Market" isn't a complete repudiation of my points; it just suggests you're a child of reading age.https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/voteleave/pages/2318/attachments/original/1458915760/Vote_Leave_8pg_leaflet_print.pdf?1458915760As an expert in the field you should be aware that you can't abandon freedom of movement of labour and stay in the Single Market. Therefore in Point 3 Leave are proposing leaving the Single Market.You should also be aware that you can't make your own trade deals and stay in the Customs Union. Therefore in Point 4 Leave are proposing leaving the Customs Union.Now can you prove you're an adult and either accept these facts or alternatively counter them with reasoned views of your own without descending into silly aggression, swearing, name calling or just making simplistic generic points? Try actually reading and then considering my words first before replying.
Can't answer a complete repudiation of your bullshit? Then flounce off in huff!
Quote from: wilts rover on April 07, 2022, 09:09:22 pmI wasn't referring to the Johnson government Branton. Nor was Gove referring to a free trade deal. Hint - he doesnt mention a free trade deal but that the UK will 'remain' in a trading zone.Wrong. Read the whole speech www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/michael-gove/michael-gove-vote-leave_b_9728548.html"The In campaign often argues that we would find it impossible to reach a trading agreement with EU nations after we vote leave........There is a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey that all European nations have access to, regardless of whether they are in or out of the euro or EU. After we vote to leave we will remain in this zone. The suggestion that Bosnia, Serbia, Albania and the Ukraine would remain part of this free trade area - and Britain would be on the outside with just Belarus - is as credible as Jean-Claude Juncker joining Ukip. Agreeing to maintain this continental free trade zone is the simple course and emphatically in everyone's interests."To repeat he wasn't talking about staying in the Single Market after Brexit but talking up the chances of us striking a free trade deal with the EU in order to stay in the "free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey". Hint: check your sources thoroughly before quoting them - reading what you want into half-quotes is ironically just what you'd expect from someone who has actually been brainwashed.
Just got his fine has Boris and richi ,talk your way out of this one Bonzo
Thishttps://mobile.twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1513862592770543617Deliberately and knowingly misleading Parliament.In ANY other era, this is a stone cold resigning issue.
Just to be clear.We now have a criminal Prime Minister.We now have a criminal Chancellor.
Quote from: River Don on April 12, 2022, 02:29:43 pmJust to be clear.We now have a criminal Prime Minister.We now have a criminal Chancellor.Technically not, fixed penalty notices for covid do not lead to a criminal record according to the bbc
Most, if not all, families will have experienced some awful periods over the last two years. Personally, one of my grandparents spent much of the final two years of her life unable to see family members, with human contact often limited to that from care workers. Others will have lost family members who died alone. All while these criminals held party after party. They then lied to us, seemingly with no shame. They should both be out of office by the end of the day.
One for the history books.Boris Johnson is the first sitting PM in the history of the UK to be formally found guilty of a crime.Some of us did warn folk what this man was like.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 12, 2022, 03:16:56 pmOne for the history books.Boris Johnson is the first sitting PM in the history of the UK to be formally found guilty of a crime.Some of us did warn folk what this man was like.And that is why he has to go
Where does the Sue Gray report stand in all this now, it should be published un redacted now