Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson

[Glyn_Wigley]

Corporal Hindsight more like.

[scawsby steve]

Now Sunak's favourite.

It's like that The Thick of It special where the PM resigns and the advisers are up all night trying to think of someone to replace him who doesn't have a drink or gambling problem.

At one point they chuck a name out and the secretary says "Is that her with the red hair? Oh she's lovely."

Sunak? Doesn't that worry you slightly, regarding the next GE?

[belton rover]

Now Sunak's favourite.

It's like that The Thick of It special where the PM resigns and the advisers are up all night trying to think of someone to replace him who doesn't have a drink or gambling problem.

At one point they chuck a name out and the secretary says "Is that her with the red hair? Oh she's lovely."

Billy. I doubt there is any name for his job that you wouldn’t mock.
Which just makes you look very silly and very immature right now.

What on earth must Bobby Gee think of your silly comments on a political thread?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Now Sunak's favourite.

It's like that The Thick of It special where the PM resigns and the advisers are up all night trying to think of someone to replace him who doesn't have a drink or gambling problem.

At one point they chuck a name out and the secretary says "Is that her with the red hair? Oh she's lovely."

Sunak? Doesn't that worry you slightly, regarding the next GE?

Have you been living in a barrel for the past 6 months SS?

[scawsby steve]

Now Sunak's favourite.

It's like that The Thick of It special where the PM resigns and the advisers are up all night trying to think of someone to replace him who doesn't have a drink or gambling problem.

At one point they chuck a name out and the secretary says "Is that her with the red hair? Oh she's lovely."

Sunak? Doesn't that worry you slightly, regarding the next GE?

Have you been living in a barrel for the past 6 months SS?

No, I'm well aware of his failings over the last 6 months.

I'm also aware of Keith's performance during the same period. If Johnson does get the boot, let's see what difference that makes to the polls.

[BigH]

This whole sh1t show feels like one of those 7-series HBO box sets - and a not very good one at that - that is finally reaching its denouement.

The central protagonist of everything that's gone on since 2016 and, yes, 'that' vote: Boris Johnson.

A bunch of old Etonian tw*ts got into a scrap with each other after the 2015 election and this is how it turned out. The greasy piglet and Rees-Mogg turning over Cameron and Osborne. Oh how they laughed.

Well no one's laughing now.

[wilts rover]

Now Sunak's favourite.

It's like that The Thick of It special where the PM resigns and the advisers are up all night trying to think of someone to replace him who doesn't have a drink or gambling problem.

At one point they chuck a name out and the secretary says "Is that her with the red hair? Oh she's lovely."

Sunak? Doesn't that worry you slightly, regarding the next GE?

The bloke who lost the country £11 billion by failing to insure against interest rate hikes, £5 billion in fraudulant covid loans and then hiked taxes (to the rest of us to pay for his losses) in a cost of living crises whilst he and his family have their money in tax havens:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10903181/Rishi-Sunak-lost-UK-11BILLION-failing-insure-huge-debt-stocks.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/how-the-uk-government-lost-49bn-to-covid-loan

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-akshata-murty-tax-haven-b2054179.html

And that doesn't worry you? Yikes!

[wilts rover]

Rumours that he has offered the chancellor post to both Truss and Zahawi. Whoever doesnt get it is going to quit.

Sounds about right.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS. The bit you are missing is that the first moment your golden boy ran into a bit of a headwind, he fell apart. He was popular a year ago because he hadn't had the chance to become unpopular. Now he has and the sheen has quickly worn off.

Of course, he might be a political genius who can recover from that. Or he might not.

On that score, as Sunak's resignation letter makes clear (it's more a leadership pitch to the right wing if the party than a resignation letter) Sunak is all for more Austerity. That'll go down well with the electorate given the current state of people's finances.

[scawsby steve]

Now Sunak's favourite.

It's like that The Thick of It special where the PM resigns and the advisers are up all night trying to think of someone to replace him who doesn't have a drink or gambling problem.

At one point they chuck a name out and the secretary says "Is that her with the red hair? Oh she's lovely."

Sunak? Doesn't that worry you slightly, regarding the next GE?

The bloke who lost the country £11 billion by failing to insure against interest rate hikes, £5 billion in fraudulant covid loans and then hiked taxes (to the rest of us to pay for his losses) in a cost of living crises whilst he and his family have their money in tax havens:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10903181/Rishi-Sunak-lost-UK-11BILLION-failing-insure-huge-debt-stocks.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/how-the-uk-government-lost-49bn-to-covid-loan

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-akshata-murty-tax-haven-b2054179.html

And that doesn't worry you? Yikes!

You're completely missing my point, which is who'll have the best chance of beating Labour at the next GE, between Johnson and Sunak.

[wilts rover]

Now Sunak's favourite.

It's like that The Thick of It special where the PM resigns and the advisers are up all night trying to think of someone to replace him who doesn't have a drink or gambling problem.

At one point they chuck a name out and the secretary says "Is that her with the red hair? Oh she's lovely."

Sunak? Doesn't that worry you slightly, regarding the next GE?

The bloke who lost the country £11 billion by failing to insure against interest rate hikes, £5 billion in fraudulant covid loans and then hiked taxes (to the rest of us to pay for his losses) in a cost of living crises whilst he and his family have their money in tax havens:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10903181/Rishi-Sunak-lost-UK-11BILLION-failing-insure-huge-debt-stocks.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/29/how-the-uk-government-lost-49bn-to-covid-loan

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-akshata-murty-tax-haven-b2054179.html

And that doesn't worry you? Yikes!

You're completely missing my point, which is who'll have the best chance of beating Labour at the next GE, between Johnson and Sunak.

If those are your two choices then its a Labour landslide!

[Glyn_Wigley]

Now Sunak's favourite.

It's like that The Thick of It special where the PM resigns and the advisers are up all night trying to think of someone to replace him who doesn't have a drink or gambling problem.

At one point they chuck a name out and the secretary says "Is that her with the red hair? Oh she's lovely."

Sunak? Doesn't that worry you slightly, regarding the next GE?

Have you been living in a barrel for the past 6 months SS?

No, I'm well aware of his failings over the last 6 months.

I'm also aware of Keith's performance during the same period. If Johnson does get the boot, let's see what difference that makes to the polls.

If SKS has any sense he'd get a Motion Of No Confidence down in the Commons ASAP.

If the Tory rebels fall back into line and vote for the government they'll show themselves as just as bad as Boris and they'll be stuck with him.

If they abstain (or even vote against) in sufficient numbers, it'll force an immediate General Election and the Tories won't have time to elect a new leader so they'd have to go into it with Boris still leader.

[drfchound]

Now Sunak's favourite.

It's like that The Thick of It special where the PM resigns and the advisers are up all night trying to think of someone to replace him who doesn't have a drink or gambling problem.

At one point they chuck a name out and the secretary says "Is that her with the red hair? Oh she's lovely."

Sunak? Doesn't that worry you slightly, regarding the next GE?

Have you been living in a barrel for the past 6 months SS?

No, I'm well aware of his failings over the last 6 months.

I'm also aware of Keith's performance during the same period. If Johnson does get the boot, let's see what difference that makes to the polls.

I was listening to talk radio today and they had a phone in.
They asked who would take over as LP leader if Starmer gets the boot, or resigns, and one person suggested they would put Raynor in the job but none of the others came up with a name.

[albie]

Wilts,

Why would Tory backbenchers support a vote of no confidence proposed in the HoC?
A GE with Bozo in post would result in them losing their seats.

Much more likely that they will change the 1922 rules, then unseat him in due course with an internal vote of Tory Mp's.
New leader then elected, and game on for the run in to the next GE.

He is going to go, but failing a resignation he can drag it out for a few more weeks.

[wilts rover]

I think you mean Glyn don't you Albie?

[albie]

I do mean Glyn...apologies Wilts!

[wilts rover]

No probs Albie - but I was thinking the same as you with the caveat if Johnson thinks they will do that then he will call a GE to stop them.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Wilts,

Why would Tory backbenchers support a vote of no confidence proposed in the HoC?
A GE with Bozo in post would result in them losing their seats.

Much more likely that they will change the 1922 rules, then unseat him in due course with an internal vote of Tory Mp's.
New leader then elected, and game on for the run in to the next GE.

He is going to go, but failing a resignation he can drag it out for a few more weeks.

MONC can happen a lot quicker than changing the 1922 Committee.

Sure they can vote for Boris but they'll show everybody how little their words mean after saying he has to go. That won't make them look good at all because everybody will then know that they don't have any principles at all.

[Glyn_Wigley]

No probs Albie - but I was thinking the same as you with the caveat if Johnson thinks they will do that then he will call a GE to stop them.

Which is a consequence of a MONC anyway, he'd be doing the Opposition's job for them!

[SydneyRover]

''Conservative MP Andrew Mitchell, a former chief whip, has compared Boris Johnson with Rasputin.

“It’s a bit like the death of Rasputin. He’s been poisoned, stabbed, he’s been shot, his body’s been dumped in the freezing river and still he lives,” Mitchell told BBC Newsnight.

He was also adamant that it was “over” for the prime minister.

“This is an abnormal Prime Minister - brilliantly charismatic, very funny, very amusing, big, big character, but I’m afraid he has neither the character nor the temperament to be our prime minister.”

the Guardian

[SydneyRover]

Quit
Rishi Sunak, chancellor

Sajid Javid, health secretary

Bim Afolami, Conservative vice-chair

Alex Chalk, solicitor general

Jonathan Gullis, parliamentary private secretary

Saqib Bhatti, parliamentary private secretary

Nicola Richards, parliamentary private secretary

Virginia Crosbie, parliamentary private secretary

Andrew Murrison, trade envoy

Theo Clarke, trade envoy

Silent so far
George Eustice, environment secretary

Grant Shapps, transport secretary

Penny Mordaunt, international trade minister

Staying put
Nadhim Zahawi, chancellor

Steve Barclay, health secretary

Michelle Donelan, education secretary

Dominic Raab, deputy prime minister and justice secretary

Liz Truss, foreign secretary

Priti Patel, home secretary

Michael Gove, housing secretary

Kwasi Kwarteng, business secretary

Thérèse Coffey, work and pensions secretary

Nadine Dorries, culture secretary

Ben Wallace, defence secretary

Chris Heaton-Harris, chief whip

Brandon Lewis, Northern Ireland secretary

Simon Hart, Welsh secretary

Alistair Jack, Scotland secretary

Jacob Rees-Mogg, Brexit opportunities minister

Suella Braverman, attorney general

[BillyStubbsTears]

With those 10 resignations presumably now ready to vote against Johnson in a VONC, that's already shifted the numbers from 59-41 last time to 56-44 now.

Would only take another 22 to flip in order for him to be out.

Thing to watch now is the vote for the Executive of the 1922 committee. If that gets taken over by anti-Johnson MPs, they'll change the rules to allow another VONC and he'll be out by the end of next week.

[BillyStubbsTears]

In which case...

https://mobile.twitter.com/NashSGC/status/1544426565496455169


By the way. In two days time, Johnson will have been in No10 for  exactly the same time as Neville Chamberlain. Who was booted out when his own side finally got sick of his uselessness.

[SydneyRover]

It would make for a great 'It's a Knockout' team final ...........

[SydneyRover]

cheesus, I've heard some looong explanations why one cannot possibly be wrong or have possibly made a mistake, Tolstoyish, on here too, but this .............

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ITV%2C+susanna+Reid+interview+Dom+Raab

[danumdon]

The time has come for Johnson to be given his last rights, not before time this individual has ridden roughshod over every established etiquette and natural order that any PM would and should follow, the fact that he grew up wanting to be "World King" should of alerted most people that this bloke was never going to be suitable, a proper entitled, serial lying wastrel.

So what comes next, the fact that the majority of his cabinet have not resigned, instead coming out to vouch for him should ensure they will be judged accordingly and should never hold a position of authority again.

So who's likely to take over, interesting one because there will be plenty of in fighting from both ends of the political spectrum in the party, both left and right will have people they will want to align themselves behind, for the good of the country it will require sorting asap, Javid is the dark horse here, really wanted the gig last time, if he can manage to persuade enough centre ground MP's he could build momentum. Sunak has too much personal baggage to recover from so should miss out.


I would imagine there will be some disquiet in Labour HQ, Poor old Starmer has just had to throw all his political convictions into the bin to state he will not be seeking SM or CU membership, something that he holds very dear and the Tories start to implode in front of him. Will be interesting to see if this policy now gets sidelined dependent on who the Tories end up with, but a complication that would not be to Labours liking.

Im now looking for Starmer to double down and really put the cat among the pigeons and push for a VONC, it will require the Tories to evaluate their job prospects for the next 24 months and could result in a snap election if Johnson wants to go down fighting and bring the whole gov down.

Here's hoping that Starmer does not get his FPN and grows a pair, could be the making of him.

[SydneyRover]

Starmer may have a word or three, but mostly he will be watching a political party implode, as usual more concerned with saving itself rather than governing, a task that his has been steadfastly preoccupied with for more than 6 years. And of course labour would be worse.

[SydneyRover]

2 more gone to the bench Trott, PPS for transport and Quince, children and families minister.

[SydneyRover]

Alistair Campbell revelling in his notoriety

https://twitter.com/campbellclaret?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[Stocksbridge Owl]

As someone who classes themselves as a ‘wavering voter’ and have proudly voted for both Labour and Conservative in the past, I have to say that I would, without hesitation, vote Labour if there were a GE today. I truly do not recognise the Conservative party anymore, to the extent that I actually object to them using the name! The party has been taken over by a breed of politician that I don’t think we’ve seen in this country for over 100 years. The blatant lying, the self serving lack of integrity and decency and the obvious self serving leaves me sickened. I struggle to understand how any right minded person could support them and I’m deeply suspicious of anyone who does.

Whichever party has been in Government, there have been cabinet members whom I’ve admired. Not necessarily agreed with, but admired for their integrity and public service. Robin Cook, John Smith, Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine immediately spring to mind. However, there genuinely isn’t one member of this current cabinet whom could come close to those. They are literally falling apart and taking us all with them.  For the good of the country we need a Labour Government soon.