Labour U Turns Part 164

[drfchound]

There are plenty of honest people who vote Labour.
They will vote Labour whoever is in charge though.

[ravenrover]

Does that not apply to ardent voters of other Parties?

[Sprotyrover]

Anybody picked up on the fact that Kids in private Schooling aren’t burdened down by the useless no hoper laggards who try their hardest to be disruptive and who love to bully, pick on and hinder any kids trying to learn.! That what I experienced at Comprehensive school. At private level you do get bad apples but they get offered support or they are kicked out!
Some colleagues of mine had that experience with their daughter who was a non engager who got kicked out of QUEGS!

[drfchound]

There are plenty of honest people who vote Labour.
They will vote Labour whoever is in charge though.

Does that not apply to ardent voters of other Parties?

Of course it does Raven.
My post was in response to the last sentence of the post by BRR. Post number 59.

[River Don]

Anybody picked up on the fact that Kids in private Schooling aren’t burdened down by the useless no hoper laggards who try their hardest to be disruptive and who love to bully, pick on and hinder any kids trying to learn.! That what I experienced at Comprehensive school. At private level you do get bad apples but they get offered support or they are kicked out!
Some colleagues of mine had that experience with their daughter who was a non engager who got kicked out of QUEGS!

I have some experience of private schools. There are still disruptive pupils, I laughed when I saw a bunch of kids furtively smoking in the grounds one evening.

It's much less of a problem though, personally I think the really big difference is smaller class sizes. The fact the education is much more focussed on the individual makes a vast difference.

[MachoMadness]

Turns out the human rights lawyer's open support for war crimes has consequences. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/17/labour-leadership-meets-councillors-after-resignations-over-middle-east-crisis

I saw a Labour source was briefing out that this was just them "shaking off fleas". Rotten, racist party.

[Sprotyrover]

Clarkson was a disruptive t**t at Repton, blew up the science Lab

[drfchound]

Turns out the human rights lawyer's open support for war crimes has consequences. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/17/labour-leadership-meets-councillors-after-resignations-over-middle-east-crisis

I saw a Labour source was briefing out that this was just them "shaking off fleas". Rotten, racist party.

It appears that more and more people are losing faith in Starmers leadership style.
If he is removed from his position, who else is fit to take on the role.
I’m hoping he remains in charge though because by all accounts he is going to sort out all the problems when he gets in power.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Starmer (ie his puppetmasters) will take his authoritarian neo-lib posturing as far as he can. I think there's a few more miles in that, especially as the Labour Party membership and Counsellors and MPs shift further in that same direction. The people who are disgruntled will go elsewhere. The Labour Party is now a brand that has been taken over and going corporate.

Our politics in the UK is heading to the insanity of US politics. And some here celebrate this as "democracy". It's self castration.

[SydneyRover]

Tamworth byelection:

Guardian live .......

''The Conservative candidate in Tamworth rushed off stage pretty immediately from the closest fire exit after the result and appears to have left already. The successful Labour candidate didn’t get a handshake''

[BobG]

Ditto the Beds election.

Poor losers.

BobG

[SydneyRover]

There's a new polling company on the scene

 'Pincher & Bone'

the people with a feel for politics!

[tommy toes]

The biggest turn around in history in Mid Beds, and a 20% swing in Tamworth, so yes hound people are losing faith in Starmer.

[SydneyRover]

Turns out the human rights lawyer's open support for war crimes has consequences. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/17/labour-leadership-meets-councillors-after-resignations-over-middle-east-crisis

I saw a Labour source was briefing out that this was just them "shaking off fleas". Rotten, racist party.

All you have to do is name and shame MM, don't be a bystander

[drfchound]

The biggest turn around in history in Mid Beds, and a 20% swing in Tamworth, so yes hound people are losing faith in Starmer.

I’m on the record as saying I hope Labour win next year TT. I’m not losing faith.
For a start, off topic won’t be the toxic place it has been for the last few years and some posters will find they have loads of spare time on their hands.
The UK will be a much better place to live, inflation will come down, energy prices will drop like a stone.
PR will be adopted and everyone will be forced to vote, no more shitty thirty odd percent turnouts.
The NHS will receive as much funding as it wants and no one will have to wait any more than a couple of weeks to be seen.
Government advisors won’t be running the country.
My goodness, it’s going to be great.

[SydneyRover]

                                                   



                                                               

[Superspy]

The biggest turn around in history in Mid Beds, and a 20% swing in Tamworth, so yes hound people are losing faith in Starmer.

I’m on the record as saying I hope Labour win next year TT. I’m not losing faith.
For a start, off topic won’t be the toxic place it has been for the last few years and some posters will find they have loads of spare time on their hands.
The UK will be a much better place to live, inflation will come down, energy prices will drop like a stone.
PR will be adopted and everyone will be forced to vote, no more shitty thirty odd percent turnouts.
The NHS will receive as much funding as it wants and no one will have to wait any more than a couple of weeks to be seen.
Government advisors won’t be running the country.
My goodness, it’s going to be great.

Had me in the first half.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Labour had to change. The country turned it's back on a potential Socialist government in 2019, just as it turned its back on a potential socialist government in 1983.

I've voted for Labour & Liberal in the past. I would never say that I wouldn't vote Tory (personally I'm much better off under a traditional Tory government) but the country is stagnating before our very eyes and the only party with a chance of defeating the Tories is a centre-left Labour one. It doesn't leave much room for people with views/opinions outside of the centre ground, but it's a fact.

The Tories have literally delivered nothing of note for 13 years having been all consumed by Brexit, which has also delivered nothing of note. What a complete shambles.

[MachoMadness]

Turns out the human rights lawyer's open support for war crimes has consequences. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/17/labour-leadership-meets-councillors-after-resignations-over-middle-east-crisis

I saw a Labour source was briefing out that this was just them "shaking off fleas". Rotten, racist party.

All you have to do is name and shame MM, don't be a bystander

The quote was shared by Lee Harpin, before being deleted. He didn't name his source.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Been saying  for nearly 15 years that the turn to Austerity under the Tories has a historic mistake. It wasn't just a minor "Oops, that didn't work, let's fix it" policy. It was a "Get this wrong and it'll take 50 years to fix it if we ever do."

The first step to fixing it is to get these bas**rds out and acknowledge the problems they've caused. But the solution ain't going to come overnight. We pissed away a decade when we could have been paid to borrow to build houses and rail lines and green energy infrastructure. That's not coming back now. And it's going to take 20 years of f**king hard grind to turn us round.

[Colemans Left Hook]

‘I’m afraid there is no money.’ The letter I will regret for ever

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/liam-byrne-apology-letter-there-is-no-money-labour-general-election

 
Liam Byrne, chief secretary to the Treasury under Gordon Brown, left a note for his successor that proved to be a gift for the Conservatives

am so sorry. David Cameron’s daily flourish of my leaving note at the Treasury helped hurt the party I love. And offered sheer offence to so many of the people we want the chance to serve. Party members ask me: “What on earth were you thinking?” But members of the public ask: “How could you do something so crass? And so bloody offensive?”

I’ve asked myself that question every day for five years and believe me, every day I have burnt with the shame of it. Nowhere more than when standing on doorsteps with good comrades, listening to voters demanding to know what I thought I was playing at. It was always excruciating.

Some speculated that I’d written “the note” for my Tory opponent Philip Hammond who I’d often debated and saw as an honourable man.

In reality, it wasn’t like that. The final years of Gordon Brown’s government were tough.

His leadership of Britain and the G20 at the London summit stopped the collapse of Lehman Brothers triggering a global depression – an incredible achievement we should never have stopped shouting about. But the recession slashed Treasury tax receipts by over £40bn, forcing us to borrow to keep public services on the go and get Britain back on its feet. And because the deficit was big, the responsible thing to do was draw up a long-term plan to cut spending.

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In government, it was my job to craft a plan. As chief secretary, I spent bruising months negotiating £32bn of annual savings to help halve the deficit in just four years and set out in huge detail in our 2010 budget. Of course, the Conservatives attacked us – though it was the timetable they eventually delivered.

Those negotiations were tough and bruising. And so in my final hours of office, I was writing thank-you notes to my incredible team of civil servants. And then I thought I’d write one letter more to my successor. Into my head came the phrase I’d used to negotiate all those massive savings with my colleagues: “I’m afraid there is no money.” I knew my successor’s job was tough. I guess I wanted to offer them a friendly word on their first day in one of government’s hardest jobs by honouring an old tradition that stretched back to Churchill in the 1930s and the Tory chancellor Reginald Maudling, who bounced down the steps of the Treasury in 1964 to tell Jim Callaghan: “Sorry to leave it in such a mess, old cock.”

Yet “the note” was not just stupid. It was offensive. That’s why it has made so many people so angry. And that why it was so wrong to write.

People’s anger – and my party’s anger – at me, will never ever match my anger with myself or my remorse at such a crass mistake. I made it easy for our opponents to bash our economic record by bashing me. And for millions of people and businesses who have had to make such sacrifices over the last five years, there was nothing funny about the national debt when the national task of cutting it has brought them such pain in their everyday life.

I left my career as a tech entrepreneur because my mum and dad, a teacher and council manager, taught me that politics is one of the best ways to live and serve the people around you, to help make our country better, greater, fairer. More ambitious. And more compassionate. It’s why I joined the party aged just 15. It’s why I’ve spent the last decade serving one of the poorest constituencies in Britain, week in, week out.

David Cameron may have carried that note around with him during the campaign. But I, too, have carried it every day – in my head. I always will. As a reminder of how much harder I will always have to work to repay the people I let down and to help rebuild Labour as a party of government determined to fight the injustices that scar our communities and the failures that hold us back from becoming the country we can be.

Liam Byrne is MP for Birmingham, Hodge Hill

read the bit in red ...... slowly


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_government_austerity_programme#:~:text=The%20Conservative%20-led%20government%20claimed%20that%20austerity%20served,of%20the%20welfare%20state%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom


It has been said before that austerity was the only option because of the state the Labour Party left the country in.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It might have been said. If it was, it was by people who knew f**k all about economics.

[SydneyRover]

Turns out the human rights lawyer's open support for war crimes has consequences. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/17/labour-leadership-meets-councillors-after-resignations-over-middle-east-crisis

I saw a Labour source was briefing out that this was just them "shaking off fleas". Rotten, racist party.

All you have to do is name and shame MM, don't be a bystander

The quote was shared by Lee Harpin, before being deleted. He didn't name his source.

so, nothing then

[drfchound]

Been saying  for nearly 15 years that the turn to Austerity under the Tories has a historic mistake. It wasn't just a minor "Oops, that didn't work, let's fix it" policy. It was a "Get this wrong and it'll take 50 years to fix it if we ever do."

The first step to fixing it is to get these bas**rds out and acknowledge the problems they've caused. But the solution ain't going to come overnight. We pissed away a decade when we could have been paid to borrow to build houses and rail lines and green energy infrastructure. That's not coming back now. And it's going to take 20 years of f**king hard grind to turn us round.

Crikey, Labour haven’t won yet and already the excuses are being laid out before us.
I’m probably going to have to lower my expectations a bit.
Damn.

[Colemans Left Hook]

Been saying  for nearly 15 years that the turn to Austerity under the Tories has a historic mistake. It wasn't just a minor "Oops, that didn't work, let's fix it" policy. It was a "Get this wrong and it'll take 50 years to fix it if we ever do."

The first step to fixing it is to get these bas**rds out and acknowledge the problems they've caused. But the solution ain't going to come overnight. We pissed away a decade when we could have been paid to borrow to build houses and rail lines and green energy infrastructure. That's not coming back now. And it's going to take 20 years of f**king hard grind to turn us round.

It's going to take a lot more than 20 years if people post on "hobby sites" in works time 

[MachoMadness]

Does it count as a U-turn to deny you said something when there is very public video evidence of you saying it?

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1715309817110110433?t=GgXd30XnjZHM_KOHr2jIlw&s=19

Boris with brylcreem.

[Colemans Left Hook]

Does it count as a U-turn to deny you said something when there is very public video evidence of you saying it?

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1715309817110110433?t=GgXd30XnjZHM_KOHr2jIlw&s=19

Boris with brylcreem.

Did you spot his new logo in the top left of the screen  it's a windmill it goes round and round and gets nowhere

"a right wind up merchant"

[BillyStubbsTears]

Been saying  for nearly 15 years that the turn to Austerity under the Tories has a historic mistake. It wasn't just a minor "Oops, that didn't work, let's fix it" policy. It was a "Get this wrong and it'll take 50 years to fix it if we ever do."

The first step to fixing it is to get these bas**rds out and acknowledge the problems they've caused. But the solution ain't going to come overnight. We pissed away a decade when we could have been paid to borrow to build houses and rail lines and green energy infrastructure. That's not coming back now. And it's going to take 20 years of f**king hard grind to turn us round.

It's going to take a lot more than 20 years if people post on "hobby sites" in works time 

Here's my own private troll again.

PM me your number. I'll call you every night when I finish work. It was 1am this morning. You game?

[SydneyRover]

Does it count as a U-turn to deny you said something when there is very public video evidence of you saying it?

https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1715309817110110433?t=GgXd30XnjZHM_KOHr2jIlw&s=19

Boris with brylcreem.

I guess it's only fair to put the original interview up and add context

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/sir-keir-starmer-hamas-terrorism-israel-defend-itself/

[drfchound]

Right at the start of the interview (about 1.14 in) the presenter asks if Israel has the right to cut off the water etc and SKS says that they do have that right.