Singing section at home to chesterfield in the JPT

[DRFC.drummer]

Iv just had a meeting with the club and it's been decide that in the JPT game were going to trail an unreserved singing section in the middle two blocks of the south stand to see how it goes with possible intentions of it becoming perminant in the future.. so spread the word, stand in this area during the game, sing and lets try make it a success?

[weststander]

I think this point has been made before, but doesn't this mean that anyone sitting in the south either side of the "designated" area won't be able to see across to the far side unless they also stand? Or is it the intention of the club not to sell any tickets for the outer areas? Not that I am against the idea but feel all the implications need to be understood

[Filo]

It`s unreserved singing, not unreserved standing

[Dagenham Rover]

Wrong place to make it unreserved permanantly it'll piss too many season ticket holders off.

[Dumbuya24]

I went to watch Southend V Dagenham at the weekend and what they have done at Roots Hall is halved the away stand behind the goal and given half to standing home fans. The atmosphere was really good and it seemed to work well. Maybe we should try it in the North stand as it wouldnt upset any season ticket holders who wanted to sit down.

[Dagenham Rover]

I went to watch Southend V Dagenham at the weekend and what they have done at Roots Hall is halved the away stand behind the goal and given half to standing home fans. The atmosphere was really good and it seemed to work well. Maybe we should try it in the North stand as it wouldnt upset any season ticket holders who wanted to sit down.

Thats a good idea The North stand can already be split can't it

[DRFC.drummer]

Can't use the north as there's no gate in between the stands to seperate fans and so it is expensive to the club for policing reasons.. It is just a trial of both unreserved seating and a singing section..

[graingrover]

It's taken forever to get this idea off the ground so either ask the VSC to officialise it  with the club or send your objections to them ... but try to be positive cos the first time we have had a  co ordinated singing KOP EVER . Even the spion kop at Belle vue which terraced 12,000 in the 1950's never sang .

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Rather than being negative let's go with it and see how it works (or not) I'm up for it and I'll be in there.

[normal rules]

Great idea, should have been the north west corner though.
Anyone remember the mitts county game last year. The atmosphere was great, until they humiliated us on the pitch of course!

[normal rules]

Above should read notts county of course.

[glosterred]

I hope the singing section is better than the one against Notts County last season #embarrasing

COYR

 

[Dagenham Rover]

I'm not objecting to the trial at all I'm just saying a lot more thought needs to be put into where a permanant section should be.
To make the centre blocks in the south permanant unreserved  will upset an awful lot of people

[rovgers]

I sit in the Middle two blocks and Sing! along with several others around me and will be attending the game what happens if im unable to get a seat in and around there! Will they b asked at the ticket office if theyll b singing or non singing?

[MrFrost]

Can't use the north as there's no gate in between the stands to seperate fans and so it is expensive to the club for policing reasons.. It is just a trial of both unreserved seating and a singing section..

Of course the North can be used. It has been used before for both home and away fans. This would be the best option I reckon.

[Dagenham Rover]

Can't use the north as there's no gate in between the stands to seperate fans and so it is expensive to the club for policing reasons.. It is just a trial of both unreserved seating and a singing section..

Of course the North can be used. It has been used before for both home and away fans. This would be the best option I reckon.

I thought it had been used in the past

[Grant]

The north stands been used before for home and away fans vs Palace. You know the game that was free of charge that dragged people in for a day out. Of whom never came back

[DonnyBazR0ver]

There are two issues here being looked at in this trial and whilst we should be positive about anything that is given a go, let's not lose sight of:-

1. The benefit of an unreserved seating area
2. The benefit of a kop/singing section

These could be two different entities for two different reasons in two different areas.

1. An unreserved seating area to provide the club/fans with more flexibility in ticketing. Taking the weight off the ticket office in the run up to kick off could be ideal for those latecomers who are not too bothered about where they sit. This cold pave the way for a 'cash only' turnstile.

2. Singing section. Done to death and as far as most are concerned, this should be behind the goal and for anyone who has a desire to be part of this there's nothing that has stopped folk from buying seats in this area.   

Then of course there is the tolerance of standing which is another issue in itself.

The combination of all three logistically is a way off at the moment as we have to consider existing ST holders in the South Stand.

We've just got to make sure after the event we remember why we wanted the trial and how can we use the results going forward.

Let's applaud the guys for sorting this out and let's applaud the club for listening and facilitating it !! 

 

[Mr1Croft]

On the topic of the North Stand as a permanent location, what happens when we play a local derby? Does our atmosphere go back to the usual when we play the type of team with the type of following to create a decent atmosphere in the match?


Because it would only be open to home fans for games when the away following is small then Season Ticket holders will not be allowed to be part of a singing/unreserved section and would drive many away to just become part of the pay on the day crowd to create an atmosphere.

[Dagenham Rover]

Thats more or less what I am trying to say trial it by all means its not an issue, but going forward as you say the issues can't be lumped together.

Unreserved, singing  and safe standing are totally seperate issues although they become intertwined as its easier to stand and sing etc etc etc

However at this point the centre two blocks of the south is the wrong place to make unreserved  permanant, it will upset far too many people

[Dagenham Rover]

On the topic of the North Stand as a permanent location, what happens when we play a local derby? Does our atmosphere go back to the usual when we play the type of team with the type of following to create a decent atmosphere in the match?


Because it would only be open to home fans for games when the away following is small then Season Ticket holders will not be allowed to be part of a singing/unreserved section and would drive many away to just become part of the pay on the day crowd to create an atmosphere.

Let them have half of the north and round the corner into the east which has already previously been used for away fans

[Mr1Croft]

But then why not just use the East Stand that has been used by away fans as the unreserved section and not cost the club any more with segregation down the middle on the North stand.

[andysly]

The club are trying something new, yet instead of people viewing it as a positive move prefer to pick holes in it.
Try it first then things can be reviewed and tweaked if needed.

Have prices been announced yet?

[Dagenham Rover]

But then why not just use the East Stand that has been used by away fans as the unreserved section and not cost the club any more with segregation down the middle on the North stand.

Well yeh theres an answer,  Whatever is decided it really needs to cause minimal disruption to existing ticket holders, why piss off a thousand when its possible to piss off a couple hundred  atmost just by looking at things a different way (okay I know but I'm sure you get the drift)

[Dagenham Rover]

The club are trying something new, yet instead of people viewing it as a positive move prefer to pick holes in it.
Try it first then things can be reviewed and tweaked if needed.

Have prices been announced yet?

It is positive that its being trialled but the permanant area has to be thought about a lot more and cause minimal disruption, as has been said some season ticket holders may well turn into pay on the day while others will just say get stuffed poke it, whilst some might be happy to move the more you try to move the more will fall into the pay as go and get stuffed catagories which obviously is not beneficial

[hoolahoop]

Here we go again, splattering our support to all corners of the KM............NW, 1/2North, Central Polypipe (SS). It's not hard , choose ONE place and stick with it .
If some don't like it then fooking move to the Library or any of the other 'unsold' areas of our 15,000 seater stadium.
Thgis is getting daft, some older Rovers supporters need to be more tolerant to the younger lifeblood of younger fan that is coming. They WANT nay NEED excitement otherwise................they WON'T come. Come on young/old, male/female you all need to create the sort of support for our team that was created in the smaller venues at the Olympics/Paralympics.

[Draytonian III]

It is the norm for away fans to sing more than home fans in every ground in the country,it will happen on Saturday at Colchester and at every other ground on Saturday, mainly because the away fans are more compact and tend to have an "away from home" mentality 

[Dagenham Rover]

Here we go again, splattering our support to all corners of the KM............NW, 1/2North, Central Polypipe (SS). It's not hard , choose ONE place and stick with it .
If some don't like it then fooking move to the Library or any of the other 'unsold' areas of our 15,000 seater stadium.
Thgis is getting daft, some older Rovers supporters need to be more tolerant to the younger lifeblood of younger fan that is coming. They WANT nay NEED excitement otherwise................they WON'T come. Come on young/old, male/female you all need to create the sort of support for our team that was created in the smaller venues at the Olympics/Paralympics.

Hoola young and old alike have to be considered the only point I am trying to make is that it really needs to be done with minimal disturbance to everybody concerned.

The centre blocks of the south are pretty well sold out to year on year season ticket holders and that has to be considered when there are other areas with fewer season ticket holders....minimal disruption = less pissed off punters

[hoolahoop]

Here we go again, splattering our support to all corners of the KM............NW, 1/2North, Central Polypipe (SS). It's not hard , choose ONE place and stick with it .
If some don't like it then fooking move to the Library or any of the other 'unsold' areas of our 15,000 seater stadium.
Thgis is getting daft, some older Rovers supporters need to be more tolerant to the younger lifeblood of younger fan that is coming. They WANT nay NEED excitement otherwise................they WON'T come. Come on young/old, male/female you all need to create the sort of support for our team that was created in the smaller venues at the Olympics/Paralympics.

Hoola young and old alike have to be considered the only point I am trying to make is that it really needs to be done with minimal disturbance to everybody concerned.

The centre blocks of the south are pretty well sold out to year on year season ticket holders and that has to be considered when there are other areas with fewer season ticket holders....minimal disruption = less pissed off punters

Really then they aren't turning up Daggers, the SS is only half full currently. I realise that you currently are in the suggested blocks and it would take a big sacrifice for you to move slightly to the outer blocks. This was done to accomodate the Olympic Park when residents were either asked/persuaded to move had they not done so then the whole area would never have moved on and been developed.
A sloppy analogy I admit but if we don't do it quite simply we won't encourage some of these youngsters to stay with the club or encourage their mates to come. They live for kicks, letting their hair down, having a good shout/chant without drawing dirty glances from some of the older fans.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I think we're missing a vital point here and getting too hung up on unreserved seating = standing area = singing section.

Fans and club alike. Should we be doing what we can to encourage like minded folk to congregate in on area of the ground with a view to singing etc to make a better atmosphere? Answer. Yes

Does that mean that area should be exclusive? No. Because it has to be available to all fans whether ST holders or not.

I have no doubt that may existing ST holders in the South Stand would wish to be part of this anyway and probably already stand throughout most of the game.  The trick is helping those who do not wish to be part of it to relocate to a suitable seat.

Every season for ST holders and every game for non ST holders we make a choice where we want to sit. The choice is already there for everyone.

Now, if we are talking about and area where standing will be tolerated a number of us on the VSC discussed this last season when we did the Notts County thing. It was agreed that the top half of the South Stand stretching from corner to corner would not impact on the view of anyone who wished to remain seated outside of that area.

A standing area can include ST holders and non ST holders alike. Plus there's no reason why we could not have an 'unreserved standing season ticket' so that folk can get as near to the middle as they can on a first come first served basis. Just like at away matches you take your chances on where you are going to end up.

The key for me is just identifying the area and then encouraging folk to use it.