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Quote from: idler on February 04, 2017, 08:55:20 amNot all Brexiters are racists,stupid or xenophobic.In our time in the EU we have seen the demise of our fishing industry. The mining,steel and engineering industries have gone. We no longer have a British car industry just plants producing foreign models.BT and the GPO privatised along with the power and water industries and again foreign ownership. We have seen reductions in the numbers of police, firemen and the armed forces. There are a lot of people amongst those that have seen their future and pensions destroyed. Maybe some felt that their only chance to be heard was to show their frustration by voting out. There were many very well educated people also advocating leaving. Just about all of those retrograde steps you have listed there Idler were entirely the doing of UK governments, nothing to do with the EU. Which probably explains why those who wanted to remain are so pissed off at the total nonsense spoken about regaining British sovereignty.
Not all Brexiters are racists,stupid or xenophobic.In our time in the EU we have seen the demise of our fishing industry. The mining,steel and engineering industries have gone. We no longer have a British car industry just plants producing foreign models.BT and the GPO privatised along with the power and water industries and again foreign ownership. We have seen reductions in the numbers of police, firemen and the armed forces. There are a lot of people amongst those that have seen their future and pensions destroyed. Maybe some felt that their only chance to be heard was to show their frustration by voting out. There were many very well educated people also advocating leaving.
Lipsy, how are you qualified to say that everything you believe is true, and everything you don't believe is lies?
I never told you to shut up, I suggested that you should live with it. If you're content to come across as someone stamping his feet in a tantrum because you've not got your own way then that is entirely your prerogative.
Not everyone thinks the EU is blameless......https://tinyurl.com/jet98sc
So what do you suggest we do then Hoola?
Hoola.I voted to remain also. I was in the minority. I lost the vote. Now as far as I'm concerned the way forward is to accept the majority vote. It's the only way forward. That process includes looking closer at the views of the brexiters, and moving forward with them.
Absolutely that. In spades. "We" have voted to make the poor poorer and the rich richer. And I tire of hearing people blame the EU for things that our Government(s) are to blame for. I don't want to get into name calling, but the amount of ignorant, stupid, and just plain daft claims from some Leave voters is incredibly frustrating. We had that dopey banana bint on BBCQT this week, and a friend of mine told me this week that he voted Leave because he thought Remain would win, but he was hoping the EU would change its way, and even if Leave won the EU would come back to us with a new offer and we'd stay.... The mind boggles. I am sure all you Leave voters on here totally understood all the implications of leaving the EU and voted in good conscience, etc. But I can tell you that 95% of all my conversations with Leave voters have left me worried about the state of this country and how stupid and/or manipulated by fake news people are.
I picked your line to quote as it highlighted a point that is one of my serious concerns - no one knew what they were voting for.If the brexit strategy had guaranteed residency for EU citizens already here (legitimately) then I may well have been tempted to vote leave, if the other arguments had been convincing.
I hear you, hoolahoop, I really do.
Quote from: IDM on February 10, 2017, 03:24:51 pmI picked your line to quote as it highlighted a point that is one of my serious concerns - no one knew what they were voting for.If the brexit strategy had guaranteed residency for EU citizens already here (legitimately) then I may well have been tempted to vote leave, if the other arguments had been convincing.Apparently they all knew what they were voting for and it seems were far better informed than both the experts and of course our MPs. Like you I don't believe that anymore than you do - so many imponderables, so many organisations to extract ourselves from and too many organisations to set up once again in our own right . Then we can truly regain Sovereignty oh and we have got to sort some trade deals out . On the basis that we currently have few natural resources, at best a shite manufacturing export base and the wherewithal to even negotiate trade deals we are basically fecked.Unless we can secure our financial place in the world we lack muscle of any sort. Still we have our sovereignty , we no longer will be a member of any serious European joint enterprise beit Euratom, Erasmus, The Space station and you have to wonder what will happen to the Eurofighter etc ?Almost forgot we have ''soft'' power and a nuclear deterrent .
But you are paying a lot more for petrol/diesel since the £ dropped dramatically against the $ after the referendum?Loads of factors effect investments, but that is not my concern.Are my relatives going to be deported, or not?????