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Quote from: IDM on February 11, 2017, 08:35:43 amBut you are paying a lot more for petrol/diesel since the £ dropped dramatically against the $ after the referendum?Loads of factors effect investments, but that is not my concern.Are my relatives going to be deported, or not?????The sensible thing IDM would be to allow all EU nationals currently working/legally living here to stay. UK nationals having the same right to stay and or work in the EU.
But you are paying a lot more for petrol/diesel since the £ dropped dramatically against the $ after the referendum?Loads of factors effect investments, but that is not my concern.Are my relatives going to be deported, or not?????
Filo - I wouldn't be too quick to jump on the anti-intellectualism bandwagon. 1. Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet, so we have yet to see the true impact of that (and those predictions were based on the presumption Cameron would trigger it immediately). 2. The "my investments are doing great" argument kind of supports my "the rich will get richer" argument, don't you think? I am not saying you're rich, but those with investments have benefitted - and they probably will continue to do so. 3. As has already been mentioned, costs have risen and more are promised. 4. With benefits frozen, inflation on the up and more besides, do you really think everything's rosy? Or are you very much in this "I'm alright, Jack" camp?
Quote from: Lipsy on February 11, 2017, 10:41:04 amFilo - I wouldn't be too quick to jump on the anti-intellectualism bandwagon. 1. Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet, so we have yet to see the true impact of that (and those predictions were based on the presumption Cameron would trigger it immediately). 2. The "my investments are doing great" argument kind of supports my "the rich will get richer" argument, don't you think? I am not saying you're rich, but those with investments have benefitted - and they probably will continue to do so. 3. As has already been mentioned, costs have risen and more are promised. 4. With benefits frozen, inflation on the up and more besides, do you really think everything's rosy? Or are you very much in this "I'm alright, Jack" camp? No I'm not in the I'm alright camp, I don't know what will happen, just like the experts on both sides, but you've hit the nail on the head regarding presumtions, are n't all the forcasts just that, presumtions?
Being one of the mere mortals who also doesn't know what will happen, has this presumption got any credibility? ...........https://tinyurl.com/j4yrsjl
Quote from: Filo on February 11, 2017, 08:23:41 pmQuote from: Lipsy on February 11, 2017, 10:41:04 amFilo - I wouldn't be too quick to jump on the anti-intellectualism bandwagon. 1. Article 50 hasn't been triggered yet, so we have yet to see the true impact of that (and those predictions were based on the presumption Cameron would trigger it immediately). 2. The "my investments are doing great" argument kind of supports my "the rich will get richer" argument, don't you think? I am not saying you're rich, but those with investments have benefitted - and they probably will continue to do so. 3. As has already been mentioned, costs have risen and more are promised. 4. With benefits frozen, inflation on the up and more besides, do you really think everything's rosy? Or are you very much in this "I'm alright, Jack" camp? No I'm not in the I'm alright camp, I don't know what will happen, just like the experts on both sides, but you've hit the nail on the head regarding presumtions, are n't all the forcasts just that, presumtions?Unfortunately, there's already been plenty of bad things that have happened that point to a not entirely bright future. Maybe people have forgotten the 60+ billions of pounds' worth of quantitive easing we pumped into the economy to try to stabilise it after the vote (countless more being chucked in afterwards, but I've lost track of it all). Maybe folks aren't worried about the *additional* £122b the Govt. says it needs to borrow through to 2020 (or £244m extra per week I seem to remember Hammond saying), announced in the Autumn Statement/budget - all confirmed by our Govt. as being in response to the vote. We can speculate all we like, sure, but that's an economic headache in the making, no? Maybe people haven't noticed that their shopping has got more expensive or that products they're buying have got smaller. I know I have... Jesus, I bought a tub of ice cream earlier and it had magically dropped in size from 2ltrs to 1.8 - and it's happening a lot: coffee, chocolate, etc etc. Smart arses will argue that it's greedy buggers taking the p. It matters not because my/our money ain't buying as much as it used to. Same with lots and lots of other things (phones, computers, software, goods - the lot) - all increasing in cost. But I'm sure that we're all happy to be paying more for less, no?And this is all before Article 50 is triggered and before we leave the EU. I believe Private Eye said something along the lines of the shit hasn't hit the fan because we haven't turned it on yet. Regardless of the way you voted (and, no, I am not someone wanting another vote or anything daft like that), we should all be united in our concern for what lies ahead. Or we could just hope that it'll magically work itself out...
Prices also go up because of inflation - in general prices have been going up across the board since the last period of deflation in the 1920-30's........ just saying like
Quote from: Metalmicky on February 13, 2017, 08:00:26 amPrices also go up because of inflation - in general prices have been going up across the board since the last period of deflation in the 1920-30's........ just saying like And what is the cause of that inflation..? Why has diesel gone up in price by about 20% in six months when the inflation rate is about 1%pa?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on February 13, 2017, 09:39:47 amQuote from: Metalmicky on February 13, 2017, 08:00:26 amPrices also go up because of inflation - in general prices have been going up across the board since the last period of deflation in the 1920-30's........ just saying like And what is the cause of that inflation..? Why has diesel gone up in price by about 20% in six months when the inflation rate is about 1%pa?Diesels back at the same price as it was in 2015 as was pointed out previously and is largely dependent on our Arab friends