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get over it i say its done in the past move on trouble fill always be at football.It happens at rugby darts cricket ice hockey should i go on hard to find a sport there has never been trouble at.
The Duke, so true! Chester and Mansfield, in Division three, could have easily turned messy if it wasn't for the DDR blokes sticking up for their own.
Certainly a lot of judgements being passed on this thread on both sides of the argument. I think it's necessary to highlight a distinction between the so-called trouble causers and the 'DDR.' Even though it's not something I've ever been involved in or ever wanted to be involved in, I've always had a lot of respect for the 'old school' members of the DDR. Regardless of other activities, a lot of them make up some of our most loyal and committed fans over the years, and when attendances dwindled to the border of three figures, they were still amongst the ones that kept on going. They have their 'other activities' but almost all of the time they are away from the stadium and do not involve or affect the 'mainstream' of supporters in any way at all. The club does not have a bad reputation because of these people, infact the club doesn't have a bad reputation at all.If the trouble on Saturday started because of a bit of posturing in the crowd then it was a gross over reaction to a bit of banter (that may be stretching the definition to a degree but it generally seemed to be good natured on both sides and added to the atmosphere). Those at the top right corner of the stand where it originated from were just kids, more recently maligned for singing about beans coming out of tins - a far greater offence than winding up a few opposition fans, which is just part of the game. I honestly believe that any situation that ensued was totally and utterly inflamed by the manner in which the stewards chucked one of the kids out. As the article implies, it was unreasonable force for the situation and an abuse of power. This seemed to upset some of the older fans and that's understandable, nobody wants to see a kid getting violently treated by a supposedly responsible adult in a position of some authority.I didn't witness what happened outside the ground but it sounds an unfortunate chain of events. I gather Middlesbrough have a reputation for behaving badly around the stadium, maybe similar to that section of Swansea fans that tend to hang around The Liberty like a baying mob at the end of the game. Doncaster Rovers, on the other hand, do not have a repuation for trouble in and around the grounds so ask yourself who is most likely to have instigated this sequence of events? It is sad that innocent bystanders, especially families and children, were caught up in it all but I think you have to lay a significant proportion of blame at the doors of a significant minority of Middlesbrough fans, the irresponsible stewards and the lack of police presence thereafter.Rovers have attracted a large number of kids to form the next generation of fans and long may that continue (let's hope we strengthen the squad as we need to stay in the Championship to maintain their interest - sorry couldn't resist getting that point in). The club is obviously trying to build on a family atmosphere, and one isolated incident for which the opposition should shoulder most of the blame should not change that. If anything I think Rovers are trying to build far too much of a 'nice' atmosphere. Instead of modelling the Keepmoat experience on a trip to the theatre, we should be trying to encourage a hostile atmosphere like that at the Britannia. Violence is not a part of it and nor should it be, but discouraging any engagement and hostility towards the opposition throughout the 90 minutes will result in a very bland and flat atmosphere. That's not what I was hooked on football for initially.
Jonathan wrote:QuoteCertainly a lot of judgements being passed on this thread on both sides of the argument. I think it's necessary to highlight a distinction between the so-called trouble causers and the 'DDR.' Even though it's not something I've ever been involved in or ever wanted to be involved in, I've always had a lot of respect for the 'old school' members of the DDR. Regardless of other activities, a lot of them make up some of our most loyal and committed fans over the years, and when attendances dwindled to the border of three figures, they were still amongst the ones that kept on going. They have their 'other activities' but almost all of the time they are away from the stadium and do not involve or affect the 'mainstream' of supporters in any way at all. The club does not have a bad reputation because of these people, infact the club doesn't have a bad reputation at all.If the trouble on Saturday started because of a bit of posturing in the crowd then it was a gross over reaction to a bit of banter (that may be stretching the definition to a degree but it generally seemed to be good natured on both sides and added to the atmosphere). Those at the top right corner of the stand where it originated from were just kids, more recently maligned for singing about beans coming out of tins - a far greater offence than winding up a few opposition fans, which is just part of the game. I honestly believe that any situation that ensued was totally and utterly inflamed by the manner in which the stewards chucked one of the kids out. As the article implies, it was unreasonable force for the situation and an abuse of power. This seemed to upset some of the older fans and that's understandable, nobody wants to see a kid getting violently treated by a supposedly responsible adult in a position of some authority.I didn't witness what happened outside the ground but it sounds an unfortunate chain of events. I gather Middlesbrough have a reputation for behaving badly around the stadium, maybe similar to that section of Swansea fans that tend to hang around The Liberty like a baying mob at the end of the game. Doncaster Rovers, on the other hand, do not have a repuation for trouble in and around the grounds so ask yourself who is most likely to have instigated this sequence of events? It is sad that innocent bystanders, especially families and children, were caught up in it all but I think you have to lay a significant proportion of blame at the doors of a significant minority of Middlesbrough fans, the irresponsible stewards and the lack of police presence thereafter.Rovers have attracted a large number of kids to form the next generation of fans and long may that continue (let's hope we strengthen the squad as we need to stay in the Championship to maintain their interest - sorry couldn't resist getting that point in). The club is obviously trying to build on a family atmosphere, and one isolated incident for which the opposition should shoulder most of the blame should not change that. If anything I think Rovers are trying to build far too much of a 'nice' atmosphere. Instead of modelling the Keepmoat experience on a trip to the theatre, we should be trying to encourage a hostile atmosphere like that at the Britannia. Violence is not a part of it and nor should it be, but discouraging any engagement and hostility towards the opposition throughout the 90 minutes will result in a very bland and flat atmosphere. That's not what I was hooked on football for initially.That is the single best thing said in this whole thread. Well done sir
Ayup Johnathon, use to live on your street. Guess who ?
The Duke wrote:QuoteAyup Johnathon, use to live on your street. Guess who ?Did you live on Grove Vale?I'm not from that street by the way, I lived round the corner, but I'm guessing I know who it is!
Jonathan wrote:QuoteThe Duke wrote:QuoteAyup Johnathon, use to live on your street. Guess who ?Did you live on Grove Vale?I'm not from that street by the way, I lived round the corner, but I'm guessing I know who it is!.................the Duke ?
Not bad at all mate, you? Not seen you about in town for a while. Are you still living out on the outskirts of Donny?
but do you like him jonathan?
bpoolrover wrote:Quotebut do you like him jonathan?Do you like me ?
The Duke wrote:Quotebpoolrover wrote:Quotebut do you like him jonathan?Do you like me ? Haha, I didn't notice that daft question, this is all getting a bit homo-erotic for my liking! I may be out and about in town on Friday night after work so probably see you all taking over a pub if so!