Channel crossing record beat.(again and again and again)

[Axholme Lion]

They are proper refugees mate I for one do not have a problem with genuine ones, especially when they are here because of some fault of ours.

The hotel should make potential holiday makers aware of this though.

[Sprotyrover]

I oils not stay there if you paid me, my cousins husband reads the reviews on Trip advisor says they are more entertaining Han the Beano!

[bobjimwilly]

From your description, my guess would be that they are asylum seekers.  If that's the case then they are not allowed to work until they are either granted asylum or are rejected, (in which latter case they'd then be deported), so we have an international duty of care to accommodate and feed them and they have no option but to sit around and wait to be processed.

Stop talking sense, man!

[normal rules]

 Another record. Around 1000 made the crossing yesterday (Thursday)
That’s over 23000 this year alone.
By comparison 8400 made the crossing last year.

[Axholme Lion]

Another record. Around 1000 made the crossing yesterday (Thursday)
That’s over 23000 this year alone.
By comparison 8400 made the crossing last year.

That will help the alleged 'housing crisis' no end.

[DonnyOsmond]

Playing devils advocate a bit, what are they fleeing in France?

To claim benefits here.

An illegal immigrants, someone who hasn't been granted right to remain can't claim benefit.

A refugee can claim more on benefits in France than they can in the UK.

France take in a fair bit more refugees per year then we do. Not sure where the idea that we get them all comes from.

[Pancho Regan]

Another record. Around 1000 made the crossing yesterday (Thursday)
That’s over 23000 this year alone.
By comparison 8400 made the crossing last year.

I thought we were taking back control of our borders as part of Brexit?

[normal rules]

Meantime, we have uk troops helping to protect the polish border with Belarus. You can’t make this up.
Why can’t we deploy our troops along the French coast if this is ok?

[wilts rover]

Meantime, we have uk troops helping to protect the polish border with Belarus. You can’t make this up.
Why can’t we deploy our troops along the French coast if this is ok?

But we left the EU so we could control our own borders....

PS. If you stop the refugees in Belarus then you dont need to stop them in France!

[normal rules]

Meantime, we have uk troops helping to protect the polish border with Belarus. You can’t make this up.
Why can’t we deploy our troops along the French coast if this is ok?

But we left the EU so we could control our own borders....

PS. If you stop the refugees in Belarus then you dont need to stop them in France!

I think you will find refugees are finding numerous ways into Europe. Belarus is very much the long way round. Assisted no doubt by Russia.

[normal rules]

Desperate news re loss of life on the channel today.
It doesn’t need to be and should not be like this.
Patrol the feckin french beaches ffs. It’s not hard.
They are doing it in bloody Poland. With some of our troops  too.
And spare a thought for our emergency services that are in the channel tonight, in the dark, cold and no doubt wet searching for those who may be in desperate need.
Cobra meeting as a result, fffs. Too late for this .

[Metalmicky]

Absolutely shocking this....

Finally Macron has come out with a comment....

France's President Emmanuel Macron has said that "France will not let the Channel become a cemetery".    Finally.... after sitting on his hands for so long.

About fookin time you French tosser...... I would sooner see us take people in than see innocent and desperate people die in the Channel...

... apparently four suspected people smugglers arrested by French police Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin has confirmed.

[turnbull for england]

Just said to Mrs TFE , funny how they can arrest 4 people traffickers so quickly after this tragedy, but not  yesterday

[normal rules]

G8 summit in Cornwall , cop26 in Glasgow, thousands of cops deployed to each. The money we have given t9 the french , we could have policed this ourselves.

[SydneyRover]

G8 summit in Cornwall , cop26 in Glasgow, thousands of cops deployed to each. The money we have given t9 the french , we could have policed this ourselves.

The politics around this is pertinent because the UK is copying some of Oz bad ideas, politicians are using this to wedge the other party, as soon as labor makes any noise about treating refugees arriving by boat in a dignified way the right wing media start screaming out. They hide behind the safety of 'boat people' but use all means to deter them. I suspect the same happens in the the UK with many thousands more arriving by other means, overstaying but nothing is done, it's not a useful political wedge for politicians so it is not pursued.

[wilts rover]

and compared to what other countries in Europe have to deal with its not even that much of an issue here. Just hyped up by the right-wingnut Tories and their mates in the gutter press to feed the racists:

[selby]

   The new German leader has said that Germany will welcome many more immigrants, I wonder if he would have been elected if he had said so before the election?

[SydneyRover]

   The new German leader has said that Germany will welcome many more immigrants, I wonder if he would have been elected if he had said so before the election?

Maybe you shouldn't gripe selby, this means less for you to moan about.

[selby]

  Syd I am not moaning, Willie is in Munich, direct your scorn and racial hatred at him.

[SydneyRover]

You're a funny guy selby, but part of the rich forum mix.

[Axholme Lion]

   The new German leader has said that Germany will welcome many more immigrants, I wonder if he would have been elected if he had said so before the election?

We can send him some if he needs them. We're full up as far as i can see. Before any of the usual suspects start, at what point do they consider Britain full?
Where are they going to live when we have enough of our own sleeping in doorways?

[SydneyRover]

I think you'll find the population is decreasing Al

[Axholme Lion]

I think you'll find the population is decreasing Al

Where?

[SydneyRover]

In the Isle of Axholm 

[SydneyRover]

The rate of population increase is dropping AL.

[River Don]

The population of the UK is growing at a rate of somewhere between 0.5 and 1% a year. It doesn't sound much but it is accumulative and over a period of years soon translates into millions.

The population is probably approaching something like 70million, it's difficult to measure accurately, that is an estimate from the supermarkets, who have to feed it.

[DonnyOsmond]

   The new German leader has said that Germany will welcome many more immigrants, I wonder if he would have been elected if he had said so before the election?

Yes.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/german-parties-and-migration-different-priorities-and-concerns/


They have a coalition government of pretty much the equivalent of Labour, Lib Dems and Green Party.

[Axholme Lion]

The rate of population increase is dropping AL.

But surely that just means it's not growing at the same rate as it was? It doesn't mean that the actual population figure has gone down.

[SydneyRover]

The rate of population increase is dropping AL.

But surely that just means it's not growing at the same rate as it was? It doesn't mean that the actual population figure has gone down.

Of course it does Al, it is a problem or not depending what information you have to hand and how you view it. The age of the existing pop has to be determined and charted to ensure that there is enough people to do the work to drive the economy to support the ever increasing cohort of pensioners. A decision has to be made where these working people will come from, as wages stagnate and prices go up families become smaller and the ave age of the pop increases. The government has implemented a points system but has put a floor on the wage of those allowed in which has created problems for businesses to gain staff. Therefore as with truck drivers they have had to bring in 'special visas' have they filled the quota? The UK is not the only country grappling with this question as the article that DO posted, Germany requires an intake 400,000 annually to fill the jobs. Some say they don't want continual growth, which is fine but how do you balance that against others that want their standard of living to improve?

[SydneyRover]

And of course there is always more, those trumpeting the points system of immigration may have not thought about the consequences. What happens when you tip the balance in favour of highly trained people? often but not always the highly trained come from families with above average wealth and come because they want the better jobs, until this high tech, high wage tiger economy develops, who is going to do the other work?