Channel crossing record beat.(again and again and again)

[normal rules]

NR.

You're repeatedly posing a false dichotomy.

There's a lot of space between allow everyone in and allow no-one in. Braverman doesn't want that debate and you are falling right into her trap.

I’m all ears. You propose no solution. ?

You've clearly not been reading what I've written then because I've said this several times.

You start by having an asylum processing system that is fit for purpose. The HO has been dysfunctional for years because this Govt doesn't want a solution. It wants angry people to keep on feeling angry.

There is currently a backlog of over 100,000 asylum claims. Last year, 40,000 people arrived on boats and claimed asylum. 314 cases were processed.

THAT is the core of the problem. If we had a system that worked to process these cases, we could then deport the bogus claimants while still upholding our legal and moral obligations to genuine claimants.

We could also offer a chance for asylum seeker to apply before they arrive. But this Govt has chosen not to offer that other than from a few select countries.

Do that effectively and the attraction of boat passage vanishes.
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Isn’t it a lot more complex than that? Easy to blame the govt. For every asylum claim that the HO rejects. There will be a counter claim by some human rights lawyer getting paid for by us as they get free and independent legal advice . And so it goes on. The legal aid bill for asylum counter claims must run into tens of millions alone .

NR ''Because if Labour came out with a policy of shipping these people straight back to say Albania within weeks of them arriving illegally then they would get my vote''

Instead of sidling up to the former home secretary and claiming 'inside knowledge' shouldn't you be writing to the current government asking for a humane solution?

Labour are not in power ffs

Once again sr you fail to recognise context. Any fool knows Labour aren’t in power yet, but it’s looking likely. And they would get my vote if this was in their policy.
As an aside, it looks like the govt has a plan to house boat migrants, on, you guessed it, boats (old ferries).

[SydneyRover]

With all the shit going in and has gone on in the uk you choose to separate out a single aspect of policy of any government now and in the future and promise them your vote on that basis that they may be able to deliver ''stop the boats''

This is exactly where the tory party want to be, they want to make the next election about as few issues as possible with the above and 'law and order' positions they have manufactured themselves. It is these issues that they are driving, to persuade voters to hate those on welfare with the ''something for nothing'' mantra and foreigners with the ''stop the boats'' shit, more fool you if you accept it.

[normal rules]

With all the shit going in and has gone on in the uk you choose to separate out a single aspect of policy of any government now and in the future and promise them your vote on that basis that they may be able to deliver ''stop the boats''

This is exactly where the tory party want to be, they want to make the next election about as few issues as possible with the above and 'law and order' positions they have manufactured themselves. It is these issues that they are driving, to persuade voters to hate those on welfare with the ''something for nothing'' mantra and foreigners with the ''stop the boats'' shit, more fool you if you accept it.

Peoples priorities are different. Go to the local parish council meeting and it’s dog shit and parking, local council it’s all about flytipping and car parking, and at national level it’s a myriad of things. Many things to many people. It’s called diversity.
I foresee immigration being an important issue in the lead up the the 2024 GE.
I’d be interested in your opinion on Ted Heaths Immigration Act of 1971. The foundations for which were laid by Harold Wilson before him. Which has been described as “explicitly racist.” His Labour Govt feared an influx of 200000 Asian migrants from Africa. The bill was passed in just three days to prevent this.
Or Blair’s late nineties Immigration and Asylum Acts? Under which he had built three detention centres. Humane you say?
Throw shame all you like on the current govt policy on immigration.
Labour already has a shameful record on the matter by your standards.

[SydneyRover]

This is about here and now nr, the next election, if you want to talk about council issues then maybe you should look at why the tories starved councils of funds.

[drfchound]

Funny.
It’s ok then that Labour had shitty standards in the past.

[normal rules]

And the good old Guardian newspaper. Quoted by many of the Leftwaffe on here, now found to have  built its foundation on the slave trade. Who would have thought it? But it’s in the past , so that doesn’t matter does it ?

[SydneyRover]

So from a thread about refugees that you started you are banging on about dogshit, councils and now the guardian, is this because you can't put together a coherent debate nr?

[normal rules]

You ignore history at your convenience .

[Metalmicky]

We're in the process of closing down Scampton - not sure it would be habitable for immigrants yet....... although military boys have been using it in dribs and drabs for ages...

I understand that they are considering adding several accommodation containers (ISO's) onto the runway to provide bunks for the incoming guests... 

[SydneyRover]

History has a funny way of turning things around aye nr?

''King Charles signals first explicit support for research into monarchy’s slavery ties''

[drfchound]

I dont think that Charles should be held responsible for stuff that happened decades ago.

[Sprotyrover]

History has a funny way of turning things around aye nr?

''King Charles signals first explicit support for research into monarchy’s slavery ties''

Edward the First stole the Duchy of Cornwall from its rightful Heir, is Charles going to give it up?

[SydneyRover]

Strange aye, almost everyone knew ...........

''Home Office admits no evidence to support key claim on small boat crossings
Exclusive: UK Government concedes it cannot substantiate assertion that majority crossing Channel are economic migrants''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/08/home-office-admits-no-evidence-to-support-key-claim-on-small-boat-crossings

[Not Now Kato]

Strange aye, almost everyone knew ...........

''Home Office admits no evidence to support key claim on small boat crossings
Exclusive: UK Government concedes it cannot substantiate assertion that majority crossing Channel are economic migrants''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/08/home-office-admits-no-evidence-to-support-key-claim-on-small-boat-crossings

So, the Government lied yet again. What a surprise - not.  Problem is, so many people fall for it!

[Sprotyrover]

Strange aye, almost everyone knew ...........

''Home Office admits no evidence to support key claim on small boat crossings
Exclusive: UK Government concedes it cannot substantiate assertion that majority crossing Channel are economic migrants''

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/08/home-office-admits-no-evidence-to-support-key-claim-on-small-boat-crossings

So, the Government lied yet again. What a surprise - not.  Problem is, so many people fall for it!

So to sumize the Link! Some lazy journo has submitted a freedom of information request to Whitehall and it has been answered by a Labour voting Junior Clerk! And that is Evidence in your eyes

[SydneyRover]

Or you could just read the UN agreement on human rights regarding refugees that the UK has signed which I have posted before or read the stats that many have posted up.

found any aliens yet?

[normal rules]

1056 non economic migrants crossed last week. That’s a weekly record for this year. Going to need some more barges .

[Metalmicky]

1056 non economic migrants crossed last week. That’s a weekly record for this year. Going to need some more barges .

And we still have the summer months to look forward to....

It baffles me that we have no ability to stop or at least reduce this.... all the technology at our disposal and we are still bobbing about in boats in the Channel

[normal rules]

1056 non economic migrants crossed last week. That’s a weekly record for this year. Going to need some more barges .

And we still have the summer months to look forward to....

It baffles me that we have no ability to stop or at least reduce this.... all the technology at our disposal and we are still bobbing about in boats in the Channel

politics aside. we have a navy that is, at best, redundant, and an army that are not really committed like they were during recent conflicts like falklands, iraq, bosnia, afghan. Then there is the raf who probably have shinier bottoms than usual. together, with surveillance and patrolling, this could be stopped, overnight.
but the govt of the day choose to allow/ignore it. for reason better known to themselves. And pay the french huge sums - to ignore it also.
some think this is to make angry people angrier.
im not angry about it. i just dont get it. at all

[Not Now Kato]

1056 non economic migrants crossed last week. That’s a weekly record for this year. Going to need some more barges .

And we still have the summer months to look forward to....

It baffles me that we have no ability to stop or at least reduce this.... all the technology at our disposal and we are still bobbing about in boats in the Channel

politics aside. we have a navy that is, at best, redundant, and an army that are not really committed like they were during recent conflicts like falklands, iraq, bosnia, afghan. Then there is the raf who probably have shinier bottoms than usual. together, with surveillance and patrolling, this could be stopped, overnight.
 
How? It would be against international law to intercept them in French waters, and it would be against international law to return them to French waters once they were in ours.  Of course, had we still been in the EU then we could have returned them to France as per EU rules. Another wonderful benefit of Brexit!
 
but the govt of the day choose to allow/ignore it. for reason better known to themselves. And pay the french huge sums - to ignore it also.
some think this is to make angry people angrier.
im not angry about it. i just dont get it. at all
 
Really?  See below.

The government choose to allow it because it makes the news, makes people angry and takes their minds off the real problems in this country; problems that this government is incapable of fixing.

[ravenrover]

He got headlines for saying he will stoo the small boats but I see Sunaks backtracking on that is hidden on page 2, the one no one reads, in the Mail which sensible people don't read

[normal rules]

He got headlines for saying he will stoo the small boats but I see Sunaks backtracking on that is hidden on page 2, the one no one reads, in the Mail which sensible people don't read

Yvette Cooper has also said a labour govt would stop the boats.

[normal rules]

1056 non economic migrants crossed last week. That’s a weekly record for this year. Going to need some more barges .

And we still have the summer months to look forward to....

It baffles me that we have no ability to stop or at least reduce this.... all the technology at our disposal and we are still bobbing about in boats in the Channel

politics aside. we have a navy that is, at best, redundant, and an army that are not really committed like they were during recent conflicts like falklands, iraq, bosnia, afghan. Then there is the raf who probably have shinier bottoms than usual. together, with surveillance and patrolling, this could be stopped, overnight.
 
How? It would be against international law to intercept them in French waters, and it would be against international law to return them to French waters once they were in ours.  Of course, had we still been in the EU then we could have returned them to France as per EU rules. Another wonderful benefit of Brexit!
 
but the govt of the day choose to allow/ignore it. for reason better known to themselves. And pay the french huge sums - to ignore it also.
some think this is to make angry people angrier.
im not angry about it. i just dont get it. at all
 
Really?  See below.

The government choose to allow it because it makes the news, makes people angry and takes their minds off the real problems in this country; problems that this government is incapable of fixing.

Australia managed to turn back boats. And still do. I don’t see the international courts chasing them.

[ravenrover]

He got headlines for saying he will stoo the small boats but I see Sunaks backtracking on that is hidden on page 2, the one no one reads, in the Mail which sensible people don't read

Yvette Cooper has also said a labour govt would stop the boats.

Did she get front page headlines for saying it NR?

[Sprotyrover]

He got headlines for saying he will stoo the small boats but I see Sunaks backtracking on that is hidden on page 2, the one no one reads, in the Mail which sensible people don't read

Yvette Cooper has also said a labour govt would stop the boats.

Did she get front page headlines for saying it NR?

What she didn’t say was that they would let em in on the Ferries!

[Metalmicky]

This years highest figure recorded......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-65878554

[Colin C No.3]

Nice calm seas, warm weather. They’ll be crossing in pedalo’s.

[Bentley Bullet]

I can't understand why they would want to come to such a badly run, unfair country that only looks after the rich.

[Colin C No.3]

It’s the cheapest way they can get to sunny Rwanda.

[Branton Red]

Crossing the English Channel, one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, on poorly maintained small boats and dinghies is dangerous enough.

But these people have been smuggled much further distances by criminals at even greater danger.

This story is beyond horrific www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65925558

When will the international community come together to put a stop to this abhorrent, dangerous and cruel trade?