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anton123

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #60 on May 14, 2023, 09:22:31 pm by anton123 »
This interview was very strange , almost like copps had a gun pointed at him and copps is trying to keep the kidnappers happy but also scream SOS at the same time lol , can deffo see McCann and cops clashing



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keyser_soze

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #61 on May 14, 2023, 09:25:26 pm by keyser_soze »
Big contrast to this one from not too long ago:

https://youtu.be/u0KxbEcSl-U

When you listen to the two next to each other it definitely sounds like this decision was made without his input.

mushRTID

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #62 on May 14, 2023, 09:34:55 pm by mushRTID »
Looks a different bloke to the one presenting at the MTO.

Gut feeling says this isn’t going to work out.

mushRTID

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #63 on May 14, 2023, 09:38:02 pm by mushRTID »
Did seem a little bit flat. I know he was very good friends with DS .

Good friends before DS was appointed here or became good friends over the last year?

Cramby10

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #64 on May 14, 2023, 09:38:14 pm by Cramby10 »
This interview made my toes curl. The lad gets worse each and every time I hear him. It makes me sad. He got the injury excuse in there almost immediately, then essentially try to convince us that should Grant achieve any success, it’s all down to dull Danny’s background work. It’s laughable really. He even got the process word in there!!!!!!

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #65 on May 14, 2023, 09:41:23 pm by grayx »
My guess is that he’s gone away to consider his options. And they’ll have told him his either with it or he’s not. I personally don’t think he’ll return. Only my opinion.
I think you may be right.

Sammy Chung was King

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« Reply #66 on May 14, 2023, 09:44:13 pm by Sammy Chung was King »
Unfortunately sounds like him being at the club won’t last. I hope I’m wrong, he is no threat to the managers job, as he has stated before, he had no interest that role. There is room enough for them both at the club. Publicly though he must back the manager.

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #67 on May 14, 2023, 09:45:55 pm by dickos1 »
McCann is a strong character, no way will he think 19/20 players in the current squad are good enough, and he’ll be strong enough to tell
Copps that.

scawsby steve

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #68 on May 14, 2023, 09:48:05 pm by scawsby steve »
 I reckon the remit of his role has been altered somewhat. HOF suggests that he would have the final say on first team matters. I don't think that will be the case with GM at the helm.

I would imagine his role now is more to do with liaising between the board and the management team.

I think GB is still one of the main driving forces at this club. I rate the guy highly.

BigKeif

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #69 on May 14, 2023, 09:52:21 pm by BigKeif »
So, 3 weeks ago, Newport at home and copps saying, it’s not Danny’s fault as he’s had his hands tied and the current squad isn’t good enough… now we have 19/20 players returning and it is good enough?!? Give me a break. There’s about 10 players too many returning from this current shite that shouldn’t be here next season! Let Grant have a proper clean slate or he will be working with his hands tied and that won’t go down with him as we all know how strong of a character he is!
« Last Edit: May 14, 2023, 09:55:47 pm by BigKeif »

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #70 on May 14, 2023, 09:57:06 pm by StocksArmy »
That seemed very dull and very forced. There are no friends in business and he needs to realise DS lost the fans for what was happening on the pitch. That is the only part we can judge a manager on. Barely creating chances or having shots on/off target game after game for a long period of time is unforgiveable.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2023, 10:06:03 pm by StocksArmy »

ncRover

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #71 on May 14, 2023, 10:00:02 pm by ncRover »
We don't have 19 or 20 players contracted next season? please no

BigKeif

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« Reply #72 on May 14, 2023, 10:03:38 pm by BigKeif »
We don't have 19 or 20 players contracted next season? please no

My thoughts exactly. I’m really hoping to god that released list includes all out of contract players but now it doesn’t look likely.

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #73 on May 14, 2023, 10:04:52 pm by Nudga »
Did seem a little bit flat. I know he was very good friends with DS .

Good friends before DS was appointed here or became good friends over the last year?

By all accounts they hit it off immediately when Copps went over to Huddersfield and then became BFF on DS appointment with us.

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #74 on May 14, 2023, 10:05:41 pm by mpc123 »
GM sounds like he is going to be successful.

Copps seems to follow the same approach as DS, very dull.

I just get bored listening to copps, the same as I did with DS.

Regarding the players, I think they are alot better than what DS got out of them, yet all not the standard GM will be looking for.

I'm expecting very athletic right and left backs being signed to start.

TR then can move into midfield, 2 or 3 attacking / forward players a keeper and CDM.

Looking forward to the recruitment and the season starting.
I've not been this excited since Moore came, but must admit I was desperate for Wellens to work.

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #75 on May 14, 2023, 10:05:47 pm by Avsuptem »
That interview confirms what i said in my previous post. Copps is part of the problem not part of the solution.

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« Reply #76 on May 14, 2023, 10:08:50 pm by steve@dcfd »
We don't have 19 or 20 players contracted next season? please no
16 contracted players
19/20 ??
Goodman/ Younger ( who was said they would look at preseason) the other two don’t know.

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #77 on May 14, 2023, 10:09:09 pm by redarmi66 »
Just had a listen and to me it seems he's just going through the motions. Keen to stress that the work they have done will help GM? Im not so sure as from what GM is saying we are going to be playing high energy high press attacking aggressive football. Its million miles from how they have been trying to play this season. I hope they find a way to work together… but im not so sure it will work out. Time will tell.

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #78 on May 14, 2023, 10:14:22 pm by ncRover »
We don't have 19 or 20 players contracted next season? please no
16 contracted players
19/20 ??
Goodman/ Younger ( who was said they would look at preseason) the other two don’t know.

Jones perhaps? Barlow really wouldn't make sense to me, he's too similar to the others. We need a pacey, direct wide player to mix it up.

normal rules

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #79 on May 14, 2023, 10:19:39 pm by normal rules »
I’ve seen it time and again. In 14 years as a soldier and 24 years as a cop. The occasional inexperienced individual gets promoted way ahead of their time and ends up trying to lead/ manage those that were previously their senior.
It just doesn’t work.
Coppinger is a very experienced, respected player. Full stop.
Mcann managed the player coppinger. I cannot see any scenario where Coppinger ends up overseeing/ managing/ supervising/ advising GM.
Not today. Not ever.
And I’d be very surprised if Mcann has not made this very clear politely at the point of his re appointment.
Interestingly, perhaps this, in part, explains why Schofield was recruited because it was easy for Copps to manage a rookie.
Food for thought.

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« Reply #80 on May 14, 2023, 10:21:00 pm by pib »
It'll all come out in the wash, this, surely. GM is going to operate completely differently to Schofield and is going to want to make a lot of changes I presume, once he's familiarised himself with the squad and what happened last season.

I'm not sure where that leaves Coppinger. I'm predicting that eventually someone at the club is going to have to do the difficult thing and bite the bullet here and tell Copps that his role is changing or that it's no longer required.

Don't get me wrong, I loved JC as a player and the guy will always be a legend in that regard, but unfortunately I never hear anything from him in these interviews that makes me think he's suited to running the football operation. It's all very vague sentiment and very little substance as far as I can hear, which is far from encouraging.

I'm delighted with the GM appointment and am not criticising the club for that at all, but they've put themselves in a massively awkward position as far as I can see going back to the decision to give Copps this HOF position.

Presumably they wanted to reward his loyalty to the club by keeping him involved after retirement, but it was always going to be a colossal gamble compared to giving it to someone who's a proven specialist in such a role. Now just over 12 months down the line, it seems we've chucked his ideas in the bin and gone over his head with this change. You can sense just from that interview that it's created a lot of unnecessary awkwardness for all involved which could've been avoided if we'd done this properly to start with.

Canadian Rover

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Re: Where’s Copps?
« Reply #81 on May 14, 2023, 10:42:46 pm by Canadian Rover »
The real advantage of Copps isn't necessarily the day to day effect on the first team but that of the overall progress football wise as a club. From fitness, physio's, youth team to helping player retention and recruitment. Plus (when) there is a manager change there is some consistency at the club, someone to help the management team and advise (if needed).

Copps is a good overall for the role. But he needs to get over his ego being damaged. Danny was a terrible appointment Grant will be a great one. He's experienced team mates being let go and watched ex team mates try and manage the club; he did so without being down on the decisions. He needs to improve his own mood and morale for the good of himself and the club.

Sad to see Copps down in himself, I think he saw improvement behind the scenes and placed his faith in the long term improvement; but he didn't realize what the true cost of Danny's appointment would have lead to..which was further relegation.

normal rules

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« Reply #82 on May 14, 2023, 10:55:24 pm by normal rules »
I don’t want to see anyone on a downer at Drfc, especially copps who has given us so much entertainment over the years.
But his appointment for me was flawed. In the same way as Butler, Wellens, Mcsheffrey and Schofield were flawed. All These appointments were during a decline period for the club. Copps appointment felt like a cameo role given to him to inspire the supporters. And to many it did. Copps “walks on water” for many . But he has a job to do, just like when he was a player. And I just don’t think he has the relevant experience to be our HOF.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2023, 11:13:42 pm by normal rules »

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« Reply #83 on May 15, 2023, 03:56:59 am by Chris Black come back »
We do need some form of manager oversight and continuity. McCann does need to totally reshape this squad to have any chance of success. However, as we found out with both him and Moore, they reshaped squad in their own images and the next guy was left with square peg to put in round hole.

steve@dcfd

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« Reply #84 on May 15, 2023, 07:43:29 am by steve@dcfd »
It was said that we would wait until the manager was appointed now GM before offering contracts so we will wait and see who they are if any. If we have talked to players and agents already again surely GM will have the final say now which players we want.

keyser_soze

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« Reply #85 on May 15, 2023, 07:56:29 am by keyser_soze »
We do need some form of manager oversight and continuity. McCann does need to totally reshape this squad to have any chance of success. However, as we found out with both him and Moore, they reshaped squad in their own images and the next guy was left with square peg to put in round hole.

Copps' appointment was not to run the first team, it was always around an overall view of the footballing operations and with regard to the first team providing a continuity of approach and succession planning when new managers come in. It therefore is totally contrary to that if he is turfed out when a man he picked proved to be unsuccessful. Obviously the aim was for DS to be successful, and then if it came to the point of him leaving Copps could have his replacement in mind. From the Schofield appointment interview Copps stated that he had him in mind long before they moved McSheffrey out, obviously there is no such suggestion that McCann was the next name in Copps little black book so this time round represents a change in that approach (that the fans almost unanimously welcome).

McCann will consult with Copps (and the senior players such as Tom and Tommy) as to the character of the existing players, and we're being a little narrow minded only considering Copps as head of football for the 1st team, whereas a significant part of it (particularly on the psychological side that he is so keen on) will be the development teams.

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« Reply #86 on May 15, 2023, 08:11:15 am by Arsenal Of The North »
Don’t be fooled, I suspect copps could be one of the driving forces as to the sudden change in direction from the board, he’s had little dogs about the budget all season, he’s been chipping away at them in the back ground.

The interview was painful, how would you react if you were in charge of a department and your seniors over ruled you? Bitter pill to swallow, almost makes his job untenable, but like us, copps still has bills to pay and isn’t just going to walk away from a regular pay day.

Will it work with GM, probably not, copps is a clever enough lad to make the situation work…. For now. 

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« Reply #87 on May 15, 2023, 08:35:21 am by Filo »
It appears that no one has run that back before uploading it, surely if they did it would’ve highlighted that it wasn’t well presented and was certainly not a good look

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« Reply #88 on May 15, 2023, 08:44:03 am by 5minstogo »
Certain people within the club took a lot of convincing to agree to the HoFO position in the first place. It would suit them down to the ground if they could claim it was a failure and push Copps towards the door.

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« Reply #89 on May 15, 2023, 08:46:42 am by sedwardsdrfc »
Yeah not done himself any favours there.

 

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