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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on October 21, 2020, 10:32:44 am
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It will be nice to renew league opposition with Crewe after a couple of seasons break after their relegation, and like in the past the fixture takes on importance to both teams, ourselves will be wanting to push for a victory to end with a fantastic week of results and Crewe to confirm the fact that they are a team that can compete and flourish in Division 1 after their promotion.
Artell their manager was always an uncompromising player and has his team playing an high energy game, and in Mikael Mandron has a player who is on form and scoring goals, the team after their promotion used to winning and battling in games of football and will come to the game confident in their own game.
After our two victories against fancied teams to push for promotion our own confidence is riding high, and that spells danger we need to give Crewe all due respect as this game is just as hard as the last two were expected to be, drop our standards and we will be punished, and as I said earlier Crewe are now themselves used to winning games of football and are respected as a club that bring through well coached and rounded players with a good coaching staff.
Their narrow loss at Sunderland last night conceding a goal right on the stroke of half time gives an indication of just how difficult they can be to play against, and were unlucky to come away from the game with nothing to show from a very good performance.
As for ourselves the big question will be just who will take to the field to represent us. Any changes apart from injury to our back four and Keeper would be a surprise only John and James being moved about although I still have a preference for James at left back myself.
Whiteman and Gomes seem fixtures at the moment and their form deserves it. The rest of the places in the team however seems to be whoever can grab a shirt first ( yes I know there is more thought behind it than that) with Darren making tactical changes in most games which at the moment is serving us well.
Ferjie looks to be improving game on game and v Ipswich was immense. Taylor has really played well this season and the two new players signed last week look great signings, but so have Coppinger, Lokilo, Richards, and JJ when they have played and Butler and Amos two good players as well as Jones have not yet had a sniff of a game and we all know they would not let us down.
So it comes down to consistency, we now know we can play exciting good football, but the two games we lost we only did it for half a game, and were poor in the other half, so cannot relax in this game or we will be punished and the good work and two victories will be undermined, it will not be easy.
Would you change the team?
Teams will not always let us play on the front foot,are we a team that will be able to tough a game out?
If you are not a season ticket holder will you be buying a game pass on ifollow?
Do you think we are on the cusp of an exciting season now we can see the type of team Darren has assembled?
Lot's of things to discuss about this upcoming game, Please join in and have your say.
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I thought we could have perhaps had more of an element of control last night - in the first half - in the attacking midfield position. A minor criticism really when none is due following that victory, but we have the ideal player in Copps for that.
We know that DM chooses horses for courses each game so the changes are impossible to predict.!
I would expect Crewe AlexandRA to offer as stern a test as any side so far, but I don’t think DM would be complacent in any way nor would he let the players be so.
As I always say, this is the next fixture so it is now the most important match of the season.
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I think crewe Alexander was purposefully typed to be fair! There's always been a lot of in-forum banter about misspelt words
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There I was happy getting Mikael right, fussy buggers.
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I think crewe Alexander was purposefully typed to be fair! There's always been a lot of in-forum banter about misspelt words
Nah, it was a spello.
As for our visitors next Saturday I expect them to sit back and try to frustrate us, maybe hoping to hit us with a breakaway goal.
Sunderland had 21 shots against just four by Crewe so perhaps that gives us an idea how they might play.
Cameron John had his best game yet for us against Ipswich but it wouldn’t stop DM leaving him out if he thought it might help us to win.
Similarly, Copps might come back into the team for his ability to unlock a tight defence.
If Crewe do sit deep there won’t be the space behind them to be exploited by the speed merchants we now have.
It will be an interesting match but I don’t think we will get another four goals.
I would take a 1-0 win now.
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After 2 great results, it's crucial now not to drop Points against "lesser" teams...
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Don't start sounding like we think we are a big club Adam, we really don't know if they are a lesser team or not than Ipswich and Portsmouth. That will only be decided at the end of the season as both them clubs found out when Wycombe went up.
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How can you possibly make changes after that masterclass? But, the manager being what he is, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a bit of tweaking. Personally, I wouldn’t change a thing with the first 11, but there maybe a possibility of a change on the bench, if Tulloch reports back to us this week (I’ll bet he was licking his lips at that display).
When Fej was subbed, the manager threw Richards on as a makeshift frontman, but we could soon have a much better option. Again, with JJ, he would have been ideal but I think Tulloch is nearer a return. Frightening to think neither of those lads were available last night!
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Don't start sounding like we think we are a big club Adam, we really don't know if they are a lesser team or not than Ipswich and Portsmouth. That will only be decided at the end of the season as both them clubs found out when Wycombe went up.
not in the slightest, they are lower down the bookies odds to do well this season, most of the time, bookies known the score.. TLOD know their place, but sometimes, you just fancy getting a result....
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Adam, I am with you all the way mate.
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I never expected Copps to play last night, nothing to do with the opposition and everything to do with him playing Saturday, his playing time has to be managed wisely
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Copps would not be able to close players down he would slow things drown. I believe he will play the odd game but if these lads keep
Improving his game time will be reduced
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In some matches Copps experience and guile will be needed.
He might be 39 but he can still do stuff that no one else in our squad can.
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How can you possibly make changes after that masterclass? But, the manager being what he is, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a bit of tweaking. Personally, I wouldn’t change a thing with the first 11, but there maybe a possibility of a change on the bench, if Tulloch reports back to us this week (I’ll bet he was licking his lips at that display).
When Fej was subbed, the manager threw Richards on as a makeshift frontman, but we could soon have a much better option. Again, with JJ, he would have been ideal but I think Tulloch is nearer a return. Frightening to think neither of those lads were available last night!
Crewe will be a completely different sort of test to Ipswich so I'll actually be quite surprised if he keeps the same team.
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In some matches Copps experience and guile will be needed.
He might be 39 but he can still do stuff that no one else in our squad can.
Not doubting that hound but at 39 the man can’t play every game, his skill and guile will definitely be required but maybe limited
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In some matches Copps experience and guile will be needed.
He might be 39 but he can still do stuff that no one else in our squad can.
Not doubting that hound but at 39 the man can’t play every game, his skill and guile will definitely be required but maybe limited
Yes DVR, that why I wrote “in some matches”.
I expect him to play more as a sub than starting to be honest.
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Just watched last night's game again and we were right first time. It was a, wow performance especially second half but the work rate overall was exceptional.
No team in this division, bar perhaps Sunderland, can cope with that. Someone said have we got more than XI on the pitch and definitely with the speed we got back in position when losing the ball, then hunting it down like a pack of hyenas, it seemed that way and was a joy to watch.
However, we must pay Crewe the same respect and work equally hard to earn a result.
Whoever plays, they will know what's expected as nothings given in football.
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Will Crewe want to come and play football, though, DBR? The one’s that sit back and invite you to break them down are usually the ones we struggle against. However, having said that, we now have 1 or 2 in the team that are quite capable of unlocking any defence.
Maybe Reece James May revert back to left back for this next game, as he’s maybe more adept at putting in the killer ball. That is not to decry Cameron, far from it, but it maybe could be a tweak for the next game.
I’m also hoping Tulloch is back with us to take up a spot on the bench? I just think he’s a better option to come on, if needed, for Fej.
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Squads buzzing, fast play, high press, defend and chase down....
3-1
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Crewe have a dreadful away record in the league. They have won one in ten away from home in the league, covering last season in League Two and this season in League One. Their single win in ten was a 1-2 victory away at Walsall back on 1 February. They have lost both their away games in League One this season without scoring a single goal.
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Crewe have a dreadful away record in the league. They have won one in ten away from home in the league, covering last season in League Two and this season in League One. Their single win in ten was a 1-2 victory away at Walsall back on 1 February. They have lost both their away games in League One this season without scoring a single goal.
I never particularly agree with using extended sequences over two seasons like that when looking at records, particularly when they're now in a different league, have several new players etc.
If you just look at this season in isolation (which is a small sample size but far more relevant), they've played 2 away games, at Hull & Sunderland - 1st & 5th respectively - and lost 1-0 each time. I wouldn't say that's indicative of a "dreadful away record" at all - a lot of teams who are expected to finish in the bottom half will lose at both the KC & the Stadium of Light this year.
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Crewe have a dreadful away record in the league. They have won one in ten away from home in the league, covering last season in League Two and this season in League One. Their single win in ten was a 1-2 victory away at Walsall back on 1 February. They have lost both their away games in League One this season without scoring a single goal.
I hope that isn’t a kiss of death for us on Saturday.
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How can you possibly make changes after that masterclass? But, the manager being what he is, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a bit of tweaking. Personally, I wouldn’t change a thing with the first 11, but there maybe a possibility of a change on the bench, if Tulloch reports back to us this week (I’ll bet he was licking his lips at that display).
When Fej was subbed, the manager threw Richards on as a makeshift frontman, but we could soon have a much better option. Again, with JJ, he would have been ideal but I think Tulloch is nearer a return. Frightening to think neither of those lads were available last night!
you could say that after the pompy game but he made 2 including the goal scorer
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Squads buzzing, fast play, high press, defend and chase down....
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the high press v Ipswich was the best I've ever seen us do it. The amount of times a blue shirt had 2 red bodies on him in an instant was a joy to see...
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I’m going for a 4-0 but would not be surprised to see more all the lads are buzzing at the min and know if they don’t perform there is some1 waiting in the wings to do the job , long may it continue
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Confidence and momentum is huge in football, and these young lads are just gonna be feeling 10 foot tall right now...
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From the brief highlights of Crewes game at Sunderland suggest they weren't parking the bus. There looked like spaces we can exploit however, we will need to be on top of our game to make it count.
You only have to go back to the Wigan game to see what happens if you don't take advantage of your dominance. With Sunderland only beating them 1-0, they must have some resilience. I doubt they will be pushovers.
I'm sure DM won't allow any complacency but will still have to deliver. 3 points in any shape or form will do for me.
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We'll do better if they don't park the bus in my opinion. We might struggle if they pack the defence to find space to exploit.
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From the brief highlights of Crewes game at Sunderland suggest they weren't parking the bus. There looked like spaces we can exploit however, we will need to be on top of our game to make it count.
You only have to go back to the Wigan game to see what happens if you don't take advantage of your dominance. With Sunderland only beating them 1-0, they must have some resilience. I doubt they will be pushovers.
I'm sure DM won't allow any complacency but will still have to deliver. 3 points in any shape or form will do for me.
On the North East news last night they were questioning how Sunderland had only got 1 goal with the amount of chances they had and either wasted or were saved.
Maybe it was just one of those nights when the Crewe goal lead a charmed life?
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Crewe have a dreadful away record in the league. They have won one in ten away from home in the league, covering last season in League Two and this season in League One. Their single win in ten was a 1-2 victory away at Walsall back on 1 February. They have lost both their away games in League One this season without scoring a single goal.
They are unlikely to go another 10 games away without a win so we must make sure that win isn’t this Saturday.
Poor runs are always broken so complacency would be very very foolish indeed. Crewe are a decent team and I think they will stay up this season.
If we are on our game for the best part of 90 mins we will win no question. If we have a half a game as we did at Wigan we are extremely unlikely to do so.
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You have got it in one Paul, this game will show how the team react to a little success and how much they want more.
The minute they relax and start to think it will be easy is the time they will come unstuck.
I am sure Darren and his team will be well aware of it and will keep the young side on the right track helped by older players like Taylor and Copps who have tasted success before in their careers.
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You have got it in one Paul, this game will show how the team react to a little success and how much they want more.
The minute they relax and start to think it will be easy is the time they will come unstuck.
I am sure Darren and his team will be well aware of it and will keep the young side on the right track helped by older players like Taylor and Copps who have tasted success before in their careers.
Calling Taylor one of the older players makes me feel very old, he’s just turned 28. Starting to think at 34 that my dreams of becoming a footballer probably aren’t going to happen...
It’s remarkable though that he’s the oldest of our regular starters so far this year. We’re a very young team, which I think shows with the energy we’ve been playing with, and hopefully the older heads (Copps & Butts) can help with that valuable experience even if it’s from the bench or the dressing room.
Ages of the team out against Ipswich if anyone’s interested...
Bursik (20), Halliday (25), Anderson (27), Wright (25), John (21), Whiteman (24), Smith (20), Taylor (28), Gomes (23), Sims (23), Okenabirhie (24)
Bench - Jones (22), Butler (36), James (26), Richards (19), Williams (25), Coppinger (85), Lokilo (22).
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I add up to Cam John Taylor and Smith but if Copps is 85 there is is still hope for me
On a serious note ive had a free £5 bet burning a hole in my pocket for a while - so have gone the lot on Rovers at slightly odds on.
So given Philsky wont get in the Ground you will know why we hav'nt won (if we dont - but we will) Another tonic for Hoola
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Poor Hoola, he's gone down from free pints to tonics now.😳🙁
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Who mentioned Crewe going 10 away games without a win?
Keep stum from now onwards please. Kiss of death.
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We will play much worse teams than Crewe this season but we went completely off the boil after Crewe scored the free kick.
Still had enough chances to have won the game. Not our day today.
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I'm afraid Fej's misses cost us that game.
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Typical Rovers and most of us have seen it all before. we just very rarely go on winning runs of any length or even unbeaten runs, and it is usually the game we the supporters expect to win that we trip up in.
So we have to put it behind us and try and get the points on Tuesday, a very long trip and an even longer trip back if you have lost.
Crewe made it a factious game and were intent on stopping us getting any rhythm, and basically we fell into the trap,sowell done Crewe, whether we had a decent shout for a penalty is questionable and Crewe deserved their bit of luck.
A big job for the manager now to lift the team for Tuesday, and some supporters to come down to Earth,we should have played them Tuesday when they had less ambition.
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Missed Taylor’s constant running up and down the pitch
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Bit of a travesty to be honest.
Their first looked offside and how was that not a pen in the last minute? The guy has put both hands out in front of him and then pretended the ball hit him in the face. Three points definitely lost!
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Who mentioned Crewe going 10 away games without a win?
Keep stum from now onwards please. Kiss of death.
You do realise don't you that those results had already happened and were public knowledge? Knowing what has taken place in the past is not some kind of mystical power that can dictate the events of the future. That we lost today had nothing to do with someone looking down a list of past results.
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Not our day, but if we are serious about promotion this season you can’t really throw these type of games at home away. They are a decent team, but they hadn’t won away in 10, plus they had already lost 3 this season.
Move on, not the end of the world but can’t afford too many games like that going forward
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I'm afraid Fej's misses cost us that game.
His finishing wasn't very good today.
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Who mentioned Crewe going 10 away games without a win?
Keep stum from now onwards please. Kiss of death.
You do realise don't you that those results had already happened and were public knowledge? Knowing what has taken place in the past is not some kind of mystical power that can dictate the events of the future. That we lost today had nothing to do with someone looking down a list of past results.
Are being serious? That was intended as a light hearted comment CBcb. :headbang:
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Well, back down to Earth with a bump. We've got to stop giving these early goals away; we got away with it on Tuesday but today we didn't, and if we keep on with these slow starts, someone's going to get away from us before we start playing.
How much is DM prepared to take a gamble on certain players? Because Jones looks a promising young keeper, and Bursik looked poor today.
The man I feel sorry for is Fej. His hold-up play today was reminiscent of Chris Brown, but he missed one very good chance, and one absolute sitter. I don't know how Joe didn't bury that header near the end either.
We lost our way badly after they went 2-1 up, and we quite simply have got to put it right on Tuesday.
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We will play much worse teams than Crewe this season but we went completely off the boil after Crewe scored the free kick.
Still had enough chances to have won the game. Not our day today.
After we played MK dons I can recall similar comments from you saying mK dons will surprise everyone this year and will be up there. But theyre down at the bottom struggling.
I just think we need to find a way of beating the sides which were expected to beat, we can’t break teams down
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Welcome boys to the developing young talent on the job club .
Great couple of displays followed by a home defeat in a game you are expected to win .
It is what it is I'm afraid , will probably be so until the new year .
Stick with em , keep yourselves in touch with the top 6 and if they have the talent they will achieve what you are seeking in the second half of the season .
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Turning a negative into a positive. The last time we lost at home to Crewe in Nov 2012 we went on to win the league. :thumbsup:
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We had little idea from midfield upwards we need to learn to break teams down that sit back, it dunt help them falling over when we get within a social distancing length
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Crewe played us and the ref like a kipper.
I really hate those antics like when they were trying to get Halliday sent off for a fair challenge, deliberately making it look like a foul. Reminds me of the antics of Evans and Raynor. I didn't think it was a foul for their free kick either. Ref fell for it. And please tell me where the foul was right at the end when it should have been either a pen or a corner!!
We didn't play badly today and things didn't quite drop for us or we didn't make it count at critical moments. Sometimes very fine lines. There were times through the game when we hesitated, either making the pass or taking the shot, for no good reason. The extra touch gives defenders/keepers a chance.
Quite ironic when the commentators talked about us being patient, which we were, and us dominating possession and territory. Then Goodwin couldn't resist uttering the the immortal negative line.. “I hope we don't come to regret.... “ Boom. 2-1 to them!
Good job games come thick and fast. No time to dwell on this. Move on.
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Turning a negative into a positive. The last time we lost at home to Crewe in Nov 2012 we went on to win the league.
i quite like that quote Campsall
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We will play much worse teams than Crewe this season but we went completely off the boil after Crewe scored the free kick.
Still had enough chances to have won the game. Not our day today.
After we played MK dons I can recall similar comments from you saying mK dons will surprise everyone this year and will be up there. But theyre down at the bottom struggling.
I just think we need to find a way of beating the sides which were expected to beat, we can’t break teams down
They are Dickos and all the teams have played only 7/8 games this season. I actually said MK Dons would finish mid table and if you check your facts and see my League prediction you would see that.
Never did I predict MK Dons would be any way near the play offs.
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Crewe played an excellent press on us and I'm afraid we weren't good enough to counter it. No real complaints but we do need to show we are able to overcome that sort of press. It does leave gaps behind if you are sharp and slick enough to offload the ball to a colleague as the press comes in. Today we just weren't. Not often enough anyway.
All that said, there was a stonewall handball penalty for us near the end. I don't like carping on about refs but I'll make an exception here. Today's was awful from start to finish. He never once pulled them up for manhandling players and that set the tone from the off.
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Didn't seem too fussed with the timewasting from after the goal onwards either.
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Crewe played us and the ref like a kipper.
I really hate those antics like when they were trying to get Halliday sent off for a fair challenge, deliberately making it look like a foul. Reminds me of the antics of Evans and Raynor. I didn't think it was a foul for their free kick either. Ref fell for it. And please tell me where the foul was right at the end when it should have been either a pen or a corner!!
We didn't play badly today and things didn't quite drop for us or we didn't make it count at critical moments. Sometimes very fine lines. There were times through the game when we hesitated, either making the pass or taking the shot, for no good reason. The extra touch gives defenders/keepers a chance.
Quite ironic when the commentators talked about us being patient, which we were, and us dominating possession and territory. Then Goodwin couldn't resist uttering the the immortal negative line.. “I hope we don't come to regret.... “ Boom. 2-1 to them!
Good job games come thick and fast. No time to dwell on this. Move on.
Great summing up DBR. Bang on imo.
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Crewe played an excellent press on us and I'm afraid we weren't good enough to counter it. No real complaints but we do need to show we are able to overcome that sort of press. It does leave gaps behind if you are sharp and slick enough to offload the ball to a colleague as the press comes in. Today we just weren't. Not often enough anyway.
All that said, there was a stonewall handball penalty for us near the end. I don't like carping on about refs but I'll make an exception here. Today's was awful from start to finish. He never once pulled them up for manhandling players and that set the tone from the off.
There was one handball that was an absolute disgrace, even though it was irrelevant as the ref had blown for a foul on their keeper by Wright. The ball got fired against the defender who looked like he handballed it at stomach height, then the cheating bas**rd went down clutching his head.
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Crewe played us and the ref like a kipper.
I really hate those antics like when they were trying to get Halliday sent off for a fair challenge, deliberately making it look like a foul. Reminds me of the antics of Evans and Raynor. I didn't think it was a foul for their free kick either. Ref fell for it. And please tell me where the foul was right at the end when it should have been either a pen or a corner!!
We didn't play badly today and things didn't quite drop for us or we didn't make it count at critical moments. Sometimes very fine lines. There were times through the game when we hesitated, either making the pass or taking the shot, for no good reason. The extra touch gives defenders/keepers a chance.
Quite ironic when the commentators talked about us being patient, which we were, and us dominating possession and territory. Then Goodwin couldn't resist uttering the the immortal negative line.. “I hope we don't come to regret.... “ Boom. 2-1 to them!
Good job games come thick and fast. No time to dwell on this. Move on.
Anderson did quite a good job in some respects for the free kick that they scored from. He did foul the guy but he stood right on the edge of the box to do that and did not move an inch afterwards so the ref was left with no option to see it was on edge, not inside the box.
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Crewe played an excellent press on us and I'm afraid we weren't good enough to counter it. No real complaints but we do need to show we are able to overcome that sort of press. It does leave gaps behind if you are sharp and slick enough to offload the ball to a colleague as the press comes in. Today we just weren't. Not often enough anyway.
All that said, there was a stonewall handball penalty for us near the end. I don't like carping on about refs but I'll make an exception here. Today's was awful from start to finish. He never once pulled them up for manhandling players and that set the tone from the off.
The ball got fired against the defender who looked like he handballed it at stomach height, then the cheating bas**rd went down clutching his head.
Almost my exact words. His head must have been the level of his stomach - a physical impossibility.
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Back down to Earth for some players who’s gains in earlier games , have shown that it’s what you do all season that shows if you’ve done your job and not in a handful of matches early doors . Crewe were taken lightly and not shown enough respect of their strengths upfront .
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Taylor, John-Jules, Tulloch and Richards all not playing today. All could have expected to start and play (I know Taylor started but went off after a few minutes).
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We will play much worse teams than Crewe this season but we went completely off the boil after Crewe scored the free kick.
Still had enough chances to have won the game. Not our day today.
After we played MK dons I can recall similar comments from you saying mK dons will surprise everyone this year and will be up there. But theyre down at the bottom struggling.
I just think we need to find a way of beating the sides which were expected to beat, we can’t break teams down
They are Dickos and all the teams have played only 7/8 games this season. I actually said MK Dons would finish mid table and if you check your facts and see my League prediction you would see that.
Never did I predict MK Dons would be any way near the play offs.
I think your exact words were MK dons will easily finish in the top half this season. They were much better than you expected and we will play sides much worse than them this season.
My point is we seem to make the lesser teams look good, Wigan, MK dons, Oldham, Crewe it’s a common theme
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Taylor, John-Jules, Tulloch and Richards all not playing today. All could have expected to start and play (I know Taylor started but went off after a few minutes).
With the additions on smith and sims I’m not sure all of the ones you mentioned would walk straight back in
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Taylor, John-Jules, Tulloch and Richards all not playing today. All could have expected to start and play (I know Taylor started but went off after a few minutes).
Very interesting. So who are the 3 players who would have been left out of the starting line-up?
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Not sure what happened to Richards. Not even on the bench. Moore does I think prefer John-Jules as the central striker and while Fejiri did a good job at hold up play, his finishing was suspect.
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Not sure what happened to Richards. Not even on the bench. Moore does I think prefer John-Jules as the central striker and while Fejiri did a good job at hold up play, his finishing was suspect.
That's one. Who are the other 2?
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Moore does like to mix and match teams to the opposition but he does seem to prefer John-Jules over Fejiri, when Tulloch was fit he was starting over Lokilo, Taylor started the game anyhow. Richards seems the least stable figure. He has picked him, dropped him and then today, who knows.
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Lokilo didn’t start today either though
So if you’re saying tulloch and Taylor Richards are expected to start I’m not sure who you’d be dropping
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Crewe played an excellent press on us and I'm afraid we weren't good enough to counter it. No real complaints but we do need to show we are able to overcome that sort of press. It does leave gaps behind if you are sharp and slick enough to offload the ball to a colleague as the press comes in. Today we just weren't. Not often enough anyway.
All that said, there was a stonewall handball penalty for us near the end. I don't like carping on about refs but I'll make an exception here. Today's was awful from start to finish. He never once pulled them up for manhandling players and that set the tone from the off.
There was one handball that was an absolute disgrace, even though it was irrelevant as the ref had blown for a foul on their keeper by Wright. The ball got fired against the defender who looked like he handballed it at stomach height, then the cheating bas**rd went down clutching his head.
That was the one. It wasn't irrelevant because the Wright foul on the keeper came AFTER the handball.
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Who mentioned Crewe going 10 away games without a win?
Keep stum from now onwards please. Kiss of death.
You do realise don't you that those results had already happened and were public knowledge? Knowing what has taken place in the past is not some kind of mystical power that can dictate the events of the future. That we lost today had nothing to do with someone looking down a list of past results.
It was deeply flawed reasoning anyway given their two away games this season, although losses, were at 2 of the best sides in the league.
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Crewe played an excellent press on us and I'm afraid we weren't good enough to counter it. No real complaints but we do need to show we are able to overcome that sort of press. It does leave gaps behind if you are sharp and slick enough to offload the ball to a colleague as the press comes in. Today we just weren't. Not often enough anyway.
All that said, there was a stonewall handball penalty for us near the end. I don't like carping on about refs but I'll make an exception here. Today's was awful from start to finish. He never once pulled them up for manhandling players and that set the tone from the off.
There was one handball that was an absolute disgrace, even though it was irrelevant as the ref had blown for a foul on their keeper by Wright. The ball got fired against the defender who looked like he handballed it at stomach height, then the cheating bas**rd went down clutching his head.
That was the one. It wasn't irrelevant because the Wright foul on the keeper came AFTER the handball.
Exactly..
Things just didn’t quite go our way today.. how many times did Whiteman attempt a killer pass that didn’t come off - but not by much.?
Fine lines perfectly illustrated today - we played well enough to win that game bud shit happens, and we didn’t.
We will play worse and win games.
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Who mentioned Crewe going 10 away games without a win?
Keep stum from now onwards please. Kiss of death.
You do realise don't you that those results had already happened and were public knowledge? Knowing what has taken place in the past is not some kind of mystical power that can dictate the events of the future. That we lost today had nothing to do with someone looking down a list of past results.
It was deeply flawed reasoning anyway given their two away games this season, although losses, were at 2 of the best sides in the league.
It wasn’t deeply flawed to say they have a dreadful away record. They have won a single game in ten away, including while playing in an inferior league. If anyone thinks winning 10pc of their away games is anything other than dreadful, they need urgently to stop smoking crack.
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I also don't understand why people seem to be under the illusion that the way fans approach a match on online messageboards is going to have any effect on how the players perform. Someone make that make sense?
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I think there is no relevance in counting games from last season in this season”s form. Teams have new players etc and have returned from a long break so aligning last season’s form with this is pointless.
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Who mentioned Crewe going 10 away games without a win?
Keep stum from now onwards please. Kiss of death.
You do realise don't you that those results had already happened and were public knowledge? Knowing what has taken place in the past is not some kind of mystical power that can dictate the events of the future. That we lost today had nothing to do with someone looking down a list of past results.
It was deeply flawed reasoning anyway given their two away games this season, although losses, were at 2 of the best sides in the league.
It wasn’t deeply flawed to say they have a dreadful away record. They have won a single game in ten away, including while playing in an inferior league. If anyone thinks winning 10pc of their away games is anything other than dreadful, they need urgently to stop smoking crack.
Eighty per cent of games you’re including were played over 7 months ago, in a different season and a different league. If you think that has any bearing on their away form now I think it’s probably you who needs to put the pipe down. That’s before you even start to consider how much having empty stadiums has levelled the playing field and meant away wins are significantly more likely.
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Who mentioned Crewe going 10 away games without a win?
Keep stum from now onwards please. Kiss of death.
You do realise don't you that those results had already happened and were public knowledge? Knowing what has taken place in the past is not some kind of mystical power that can dictate the events of the future. That we lost today had nothing to do with someone looking down a list of past results.
It was deeply flawed reasoning anyway given their two away games this season, although losses, were at 2 of the best sides in the league.
It wasn’t deeply flawed to say they have a dreadful away record. They have won a single game in ten away, including while playing in an inferior league. If anyone thinks winning 10pc of their away games is anything other than dreadful, they need urgently to stop smoking crack.
Eighty per cent of games you’re including were played over 7 months ago, in a different season and a different league. If you think that has any bearing on their away form now I think it’s probably you who needs to put the pipe down. That’s before you even start to consider how much having empty stadiums has levelled the playing field and meant away wins are significantly more likely.
I have a nice image in my head of CBCB having a "Condor Moment"....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txt5dlXGVVs
Always nice to be able to put a face to a profile.
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We will play much worse teams than Crewe this season but we went completely off the boil after Crewe scored the free kick.
Still had enough chances to have won the game. Not our day today.
After we played MK dons I can recall similar comments from you saying mK dons will surprise everyone this year and will be up there. But theyre down at the bottom struggling.
I just think we need to find a way of beating the sides which were expected to beat, we can’t break teams down
They are Dickos and all the teams have played only 7/8 games this season. I actually said MK Dons would finish mid table and if you check your facts and see my League prediction you would see that.
Never did I predict MK Dons would be any way near the play offs.
I think your exact words were MK dons will easily finish in the top half this season. They were much better than you expected and we will play sides much worse than them this season.
My point is we seem to make the lesser teams look good, Wigan, MK dons, Oldham, Crewe it’s a common theme
My point is do we know which are the ‘lesser sides’ at this point of the season. It is far too early to be definitive on that. We may have a good idea of course. MK Dons have some good players and I would be surprised to see them finish below 15th at worst. But you might be right Dickos who knows they could finish bottom of the pile.
There are no easy 3 point games. Every point has to be earned and no matter where a team are in the table doesn’t give you the right to beat them.
Football doesn’t work like that and a team that comes and defends are very often more difficult to beat than a team playing attacking open football.
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Moore saying that Richards has only a minor injury but he didn’t want to risk him today.
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The game today was all about the finishing for me (or lack of). Fejiri should have had 2 goals for sure.
My concern though was how we lacked ideas when behind at 2-1 and didn't seem to be able to try something different. Part of that was the limited options available.
Still unsure on the keeper too, he's not really shown me anything of note yet this season. I'm not sure marosi or dieng concede that free kick for example.
Key is how we bounce back though games like today will happen but they are the difference between promotion, play offs and mid table. For me we have lost two games we should have won and did enough to win.
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The game today was all about the finishing for me (or lack of). Fejiri should have had 2 goals for sure.
My concern though was how we lacked ideas when behind at 2-1 and didn't seem to be able to try something different. Part of that was the limited options available.
Still unsure on the keeper too, he's not really shown me anything of note yet this season. I'm not sure marosi or dieng concede that free kick for example.
Key is how we bounce back though games like today will happen but they are the difference between promotion, play offs and mid table. For me we have lost two games we should have won and did enough to win.
We lose games every season we should have won.
Every club in the Football League lose games they should have won. That’s the nature of the game.
Doesn’t make it any less frustrating when it happens though of course.
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So some are saying that poor finishing cost us the game.
We would have won 1-0 if we hadn't conceded. We don't get enough clean sheets for me which guarantee at least a point.
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Bursik is a. good young keeper but needs to heed advice from PG on his positioning for free kicks .He. was done in the same way against Blackburn leaving his left hand side so unguarded .If he wants JW to stand on that goalpost for free kicks he should say but it should be a of twice bitten third time wiser .
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Even the best keeper's in the world get beat by free kicks
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I agree with graingrover.
Bursik has made the same mistake he made at Blackburn, setting up half a stride too far to his right.
Good free kick, but he invites the left foot to hit that spot by his position.
https://www.skysports.com/football/doncaster-vs-crewe/report/430896
This should have been sorted in training after the Blackburn goal.
The first could have been stopped as well.
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Yet to see why Bursik is so highly thought of in the England set up. Admittedly Dieng set a high bar, but he’s nowhere near it. Command of the box seems little better than Lawlor and he was unconvincing for both goals today. Hopefully he improves as the season progresses, he must have something... but right now I’m struggling to see why he’s in ahead of Jones.
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In that second half Crewe reminded me of Barton’s Fleetwood.
Time wasting tactics, petulantly kicking the ball away or taking an age to take a throw in or free kick, management team screaming at the officials and trying to get players booked or sent off etc etc etc.
Horrible to watch.
A long way from the Crewe ethos of years gone by.
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Bursik does have good distribution. Some of his longer balls out from the back were much better than both Anderson and Wright. Not convincing for the free kick.
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"Horrible to watch." and win the game or "play nice football" and lose the game. I'll take the former thank you, and Crewe got it right.
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Well I for one wouldn’t watch to watch a team like Crewe or Fleetwood on a regular basis.
Luckily ? our “nice” football got us two very good wins in the previous two matches.
I bet that Rovers finish above both of those two clubs this season.
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Bursik does have good distribution. Some of his longer balls out from the back were much better than both Anderson and Wright. Not convincing for the free kick.
I've taken my time to look at Bursik. Generally he's a very competent keeper, moves well around his box, does well when gathering the ball into the bread basket from shots low down and, he's very good with his feet.
We know however, he tends to prefer the punch to the catch in crowded areas and we can give him the benefit of doubt on that one.
What troubles me though, is his agility when on the stretch, diving for the corners, particularly above shoulder height. He's not the tallest keeper but he doesn't seem to possess the spring either! He's about as aerodynamic as a plank and he barely gets off the ground. The ball hit the net half way up so it wasn't even in the top corner.
I've looked back at the other free kicks and he just looks so unnatural in the air. A bit like Casper in Kes! It wouldn't surprise me if he closes his eyes too.
This could be make or break for a young keeper. If he doesn't have the spring he's going to struggle at any level. Reminds me a bit of Ben Smith who looked the part but just seemed to dive under any shot that came his way that he had to move for.
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It is probably unfair but him and Lawlor have the same trait, likely schooled in to them at the very top end of the EPL - they must spend an awful lot of time practicing being a footballer, rather than a goalkeeper. Their distribution out with their feet is light years ahead of what keepers were expected to do just 5-10 years ago. They are playing as a distributor from the back. But the core competency of a goalkeeper is well, goalkeeping. Personally would prefer a much more solid, boring and capable keeper on shots and especially crosses, leaving it to the defence and deep lying midfielders to worry about starting play from the back.
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The first goal was very soft. Just watched it back now and there’s no way that shot from that angle should have gone in if he had his angles right.
Aside from criticising the keeper, terrible finishing also cost us.
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If someone like Copps had scored that we would be saying it was a well placed shot into the corner
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I think the lad as been excellent this season and to be fair when he been called upon he's been up to the mark he's not going to save every shot
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Well I for one wouldn’t watch to watch a team like Crewe or Fleetwood on a regular basis.
Luckily ? our “nice” football got us two very good wins in the previous two matches.
I bet that Rovers finish above both of those two clubs this season.
Come off it Hound if they were your hometown club I'm sure you would watch them. Lets face it Rovers have had their moments over the years
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Do you know I never knew we had professional goalkeeping coaches in such numbers on this forum. People talking about half a yard in the wrong position getting his angles right by all means comment but leave the technicalities out
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Its all rubbish, this is down to missed chances, fej had two golden chances, Wrights header.
I think DM had it wrong to drop Fej, (as I have mentioned in a few responses) a guy in great form, and then bring in a loanee who had never played for us before. You do not do that to any player in form, and I can only imagine what was going through his mind - I realise, we do not know if there any reasons why this was done.
It does seem to be DM's way to chop and change, although not the back two, and it does seem to work, but as an ex striker - when your in form you have to keep playing. Fej is now snatching at chances, and you just get the feeling now is under more pressure than would be normal.
You cannot complain with how we are playing though, were looking good in most departments, and a few teams are in for thumpings. I still get the feeling we will win the league :scarf:
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How many more times are we going to discuss the whole "dropping Okenabirhie" thing? John-Jules came in and made an impact, he scored a wonder goal against Charlton and had a hand in several goals as we routed Bristol Rovers. Darren Moore picks the team to win the game in front of him and it seems to be working more often than not. He doesn't pick on form and Okenabirhie is far from the only player to experience that.
He didn't miss those chances on Saturday because he didn't play earlier games, since he was playing his fourth straight from the start and had scored a superb goal just four days earlier against Ipswich.
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At least he was in a position in the box to miss those chances, and another day would have had a bit of luck to score. Apart from Williams and Marquis we have not had a player like that who got into those positions play him regularly he will get goals and with confidence bette.
I see both JJ and Fej as big players for us this season.
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What about Heffernan selby.
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A senior moment