Brexit deal

[selby]

  Labours best chance of winning an election would be to dress Corbyn up as Santa, and hope people make a mistake and put the vote slip in his sack.

[wilts rover]

Why did Johnson announce he was calling for an election today. After passing both his Queen's Speech and the 2nd reading of the WB?

Maybe he saw this:

if "the deadline for the UK to leave the EU has been extended beyond the 31st of October 2019":

LAB: 27%
CON: 26%
BREX: 20%
LDEM: 18%
GRN: 4%

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1187399919604289538

[bpoolrover]

BIG BIG chance to call Johnsons bluff

He offers more time for MPs to discuss his "exceptional deal" providing they agree to General Election on Dec 12th. He has already said Labour are frightened to call an Election

Labour Lib Dems Green and SNP should counter with - we dont need an Election - we will go through your deal in that same time period then IF we agree and pass it as it is "exceptioanlly good" we would do with the proviso that there is then a confirmatory vote as follows

a) we agree with the Deal as negotiated by Johnson and wish to Leave the EU or

b) we wish to Remain in the EU

We could then see who else is frightened BUT he will never go for it. I will Tweet him if he has any wifi in that ditch

but everyone knows Corbyn is desperate for a election there is no bluff to call, let’s just have the brexit vote hopefully get it through then have a election

[Glyn_Wigley]

Why did Johnson announce he was calling for an election today. After passing both his Queen's Speech and the 2nd reading of the WB?

Maybe he saw this:

if "the deadline for the UK to leave the EU has been extended beyond the 31st of October 2019":

LAB: 27%
CON: 26%
BREX: 20%
LDEM: 18%
GRN: 4%

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1187399919604289538

Surely that would just encourage Parliament to vote down his deal and then still have the election on Dec 12?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

No glyn, as the angle hes going for is that hes tried yet the rest have held him up. To be fair it likely would work.

It's also a leading question....

[SydneyRover]

''Most voters think risk of violence against MPs is 'price worth paying' over Brexit

Research finds majority of both leave and remain voters feel violence acceptable to get outcome they support''

No doubt taking their lead from our PM whom we know is not against the odd bit himself, tory members and voters really have set a new standard in UK politics.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/24/majority-of-voters-think-violence-against-mps-is-price-worth-paying-for-brexit

[The Red Baron]

Why did Johnson announce he was calling for an election today. After passing both his Queen's Speech and the 2nd reading of the WB?

Maybe he saw this:

if "the deadline for the UK to leave the EU has been extended beyond the 31st of October 2019":

LAB: 27%
CON: 26%
BREX: 20%
LDEM: 18%
GRN: 4%

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1187399919604289538

Surely that would just encourage Parliament to vote down his deal and then still have the election on Dec 12?

Given the output from the EU Ambassadors' meeting today it seems that this option may be off the table.

The French appear to want a short extension, perhaps to 15th or 30th November. The fact that the decision couldn't be confirmed today suggests discussions within the EU will go on over the weekend.

If the French (and maybe others) relent and the Commission's preferred extension date of 31st January is agreed, then I suspect we'll have a General Election on 12th December in the hope of breaking the log-jam. Some discussion on the WAB will probably take place, but it's unlikely to be completed before Parliament is dissolved.

If the EU goes for the short extension, then the Election is off and the ball is in Parliament's court, as there is almost an unspoken threat that a further extension request may not be granted.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This. Just, appalling.

What the f**k is Brexit doing to us?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/poll-violence-against-mps-price-worth-paying-to-get-brexit-result/amp/

[Bentley Bullet]

Shouldn't that be what the f**k is no Brexit doing to us?

It's not the fault of Brexit, we haven't left yet. It's the fault of those who refuse to accept the referendum result.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

Brexit isn't a thing that happens on one day at a specific time.

It's a process. It'll be a 20 year transition. And the process of getting to where we are now had been frighteningly toxic, with the right wing press in particular stirring up hatred by presenting MPs and judges Dou g their constitutional jobs as being enemies of the people (their PRECISE words) and egging on Leave voters to believe that there is some sort of conspiracy against them.

Your posts are a perfect example of who successful that rabble rousing has been. You have no interest in engaging in grown up discussion. You accuse anyone and everyone on the other side of engaging in deceit and bad faith.

It HAS to stop. It's not a f**king game. This is how nations lose their way.

[Bentley Bullet]

BST. If it was up to you it wouldn't take 20 years to sort out, it wouldn't happen. You'd want it stopped and have us remain in the EU, despite the result of the referendum.

You think you are right to demand that. I think you are wrong to demand that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

There you go again.

Completely ignoring the countless times I've said I would accept a Norway-type Brexit deal.

What's your problem? Determined to set up straw men to continue an argument that is unnecessary?

[Bentley Bullet]

So if it's not going to be a Norway-type Brexit you won't accept it.

What the f**k is no Brexit going to do to us now?

[the vicar]

Brexit all it means at minute is a fat bird from Barnsley sat on mi fence and breks it

[the vicar]

The quicker we are out the better

[BillyStubbsTears]

So if it's not going to be a Norway-type Brexit you won't accept it.

What the f**k is no Brexit going to do to us now?

I'm not going to.meekly accept a Brexit that wasn't ever on the agenda in 2016, no. I'm not going to meekly accept a Brexit that's been hijacked by a group  of rabid right wing politicians for THEIR ends, no.

If you reckon that's what the public now want,put it to a vote and find out. If that vote went against me, I'd accept it. As I've been saying for 2 years.

[Bentley Bullet]

Thing is BST, I don't believe you anymore.

[BillyStubbsTears]

With zero reason for that BB, other than your own prejudice.

You need to take a long, hard look at yourself.

[bpoolrover]

You say you would accept the result of a new referendum bst and yes I think you would but the majority would not you could have 10 of them and most would not accept the result so is there any point?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

There was a poll earlier this year.

4 options

Remain
Norway Deal
May Deal.
No Deal.

People were asked to rank them in order of preference.

No option got a majority of first preferences.

When you counted 1 and second preferences, 75% said they'd go for a Norway deal.

And THERE is the problem. That's been rejected because it's not acceptable to the ERG and Farage.

There IS a democratic outrage going on. And it's the fact that a Hard Brexit that was never, EVER on the agenda in 2016 is being rammed through by far right politicians.

If people really wanted an outcome that would be most acceptable to most people, it would be a Norway type deal.

[bpoolrover]

Every person I know that voted remain which is quite a few, all of them say they will never accept a leave vote, maybe it’s just people I know!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Precisely.

You've got to stop judging the entire country by the tiny (by comparison) set of interactions you have.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes Blackpool, get in the real world. Ignore your personal experience, it's not true. Everyone around you is lying. Read the Guardian instead.

[SydneyRover]

Yes bp hang in with the little Britain brigade and think small.

[scawsby steve]

F*cking hell fire.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes bp hang in with the little Britain brigade and think small.

Don't do it BP, stick with us on the side of democracy.

[SydneyRover]

That's right bp you stick with johnson, cummings and bullet.

[DonnyOsmond]

That's right bp you stick with johnson, cummings and bullet.

Stick with the NHS being sold off and loss of workers rights.

[Not Now Kato]

Yes bp hang in with the little Britain brigade and think small.

Don't do it BP, stick with us on the side of democracy.

I've explained democracy to you once before BB, and you still don't understand it!

[Bentley Bullet]

What's wrong with Bentley West End?