Local Elections And Hartlepool

[Bentley Bullet]

What's wrong with being gay bb?

Nothing at all, Skippy, as far as I'm concerned. What I am concerned about though, is, when did I say there was something wrong with being gay?

[SydneyRover]

Hope you're not watching those dodgy gay Aussie pornos again. Skip.

so either you mean gays are dodgy or porn is dodgy or both, when between consenting adults where neither is exploited there is nothing wrong,

What did you mean by dodgy?

[Bentley Bullet]

There's nothing implicitly wrong with being old. But this older generation is a particularly reactionary one. So the fact that Lydon has become both old and reactionary is symbolic of his generation.

As for me pointing out negatives, as I've said times many, I only ever do it when supported by evidence. Just like I give praise when the evidence supports it. I've invited you times many to refute that and you never have done.

What do YOU do when the evidence suggests mistakes or wrongdoing?

If there's nothing implicitly wrong with being old, why do you directly convey that he is old?

Does being symbolic of ones generation make them wrong?

You search and point out negatives, far, far more than you declare positives, and when you do declare positives, they are only tokens to use as evidence in future discussions, like this one.

Wen evidence suggests wrong doings, I expect the proper channels to deal with it, rather than a kangaroo court with the Guardian and the like as the judge and its readers as the jury.

[Bentley Bullet]

Hope you're not watching those dodgy gay Aussie pornos again. Skip.

so either you mean gays are dodgy or porn is dodgy or both, when between consenting adults where neither is exploited there is nothing wrong,

What did you mean by dodgy?

Nowt dodgy about gay or straight sex, Skip. It's the porn that's a bit dodgy. so I'm told. What do you think?

[SydneyRover]

Hope you're not watching those dodgy gay Aussie pornos again. Skip.

so either you mean gays are dodgy or porn is dodgy or both, when between consenting adults where neither is exploited there is nothing wrong,

What did you mean by dodgy?

You wrote it bb, please answer the question

[Bentley Bullet]

Skippy, I realize you're a bit hard of thinking, so don't you think you should wait until your leader or one of his higher up the ladder disciples come on board to point out that I've already answered your gay question?

[SydneyRover]

Hope you're not watching those dodgy gay Aussie pornos again. Skip.

so either you mean gays are dodgy or porn is dodgy or both, when between consenting adults where neither is exploited there is nothing wrong,

What did you mean by dodgy?

You wrote it bb, please answer the question

Avoiding the question, waiting for the cavalry, you have no clothes again bb

[BillyStubbsTears]

You search and point out negatives, far, far more than you declare positives, and when you do declare positives, they are only tokens to use as evidence in future discussions, like this one.

And you accuse other people of stoking up animosity. Hopeless.

[Herbert Anchovy]

I may be wrong here, but I don’t recall Lydon or the Sex Pistols being overtly political. I think The Clash were the red flag waving punks.

Although I disagree with his comment, I can see how some may have the perception. A few people accused Labour of losing their working class roots and becoming middle class, London-centric. Though saying that, my Labour MP is neither a Londoner nor middle class. She’s an excellent MP.

Back to Lydon, I remember listening to an interview with Danny Baker (I think) a few years ago. He said that John Lydon had turned into a John Lydon caricature over the years, trying too hard to be controversial. He appeared on a TV show and was perfectly pleasant to everyone until the cameras started running when he suddenly turned into a bit of a prick. Once the show ended, he turned back into pleasant John!!

[Bentley Bullet]

You search and point out negatives, far, far more than you declare positives, and when you do declare positives, they are only tokens to use as evidence in future discussions, like this one.

And you accuse other people of stoking up animosity. Hopeless.

Just fighting fire with fire, Billy. The posts condemning John Lydon's comment have only gone to prove that he has a point.

[Filo]

I may be wrong here, but I don’t recall Lydon or the Sex Pistols being overtly political. I think The Clash were the red flag waving punks.

Although I disagree with his comment, I can see how some may have the perception. A few people accused Labour of losing their working class roots and becoming middle class, London-centric. Though saying that, my Labour MP is neither a Londoner nor middle class. She’s an excellent MP.

Back to Lydon, I remember listening to an interview with Danny Baker (I think) a few years ago. He said that John Lydon had turned into a John Lydon caricature over the years, trying too hard to be controversial. He appeared on a TV show and was perfectly pleasant to everyone until the cameras started running when he suddenly turned into a bit of a prick. Once the show ended, he turned back into pleasant John!!

In an attempt to look cool Johnson stated that he liked The Clash, I’m not sure he realised that they stood against everything he stood for

[DonnyOsmond]

You search and point out negatives, far, far more than you declare positives, and when you do declare positives, they are only tokens to use as evidence in future discussions, like this one.

And you accuse other people of stoking up animosity. Hopeless.

Just fighting fire with fire, Billy. The posts condemning John Lydon's comment have only gone to prove that he has a point.

How can you be conservative and anti-establishment? Don't they contradict each other?

[Bentley Bullet]

Who says I'm conservative!

[SydneyRover]

you don't have to vote tory to be conservative, it's state of mind, a social philosophy

[drfchound]

I wonder if all the bands that people like match their own political beliefs.

[selby]

  Could be Syds state of mind Hound, probably thinks he has a bad day coming on.

[Herbert Anchovy]

I may be wrong here, but I don’t recall Lydon or the Sex Pistols being overtly political. I think The Clash were the red flag waving punks.

Although I disagree with his comment, I can see how some may have the perception. A few people accused Labour of losing their working class roots and becoming middle class, London-centric. Though saying that, my Labour MP is neither a Londoner nor middle class. She’s an excellent MP.

Back to Lydon, I remember listening to an interview with Danny Baker (I think) a few years ago. He said that John Lydon had turned into a John Lydon caricature over the years, trying too hard to be controversial. He appeared on a TV show and was perfectly pleasant to everyone until the cameras started running when he suddenly turned into a bit of a prick. Once the show ended, he turned back into pleasant John!!

In an attempt to look cool Johnson stated that he liked The Clash, I’m not sure he realised that they stood against everything he stood for

Didn’t David Cameron say that his favourite song was ‘Eton Rifles’ by The Jam? Paul Weller pointed out that the song was a direct criticism of people like Cameron!!

[Bentley Bullet]

you don't have to vote tory to be conservative, it's state of mind, a social philosophy

If it was a choice between Labour and Tory at this moment in time, I'd vote Tory all day long. A large part of the reason for that is because Labour attracts people like you.

[DonnyOsmond]

Who says I'm conservative!

If you're voting Conservatives then surely you're a conservative? I never directed it at you personally, it was directed at the people in the first half of John Lydons comments (although did he actually make them or is that a shit post where they put words in your mouth?)

[drfchound]

you don't have to vote tory to be conservative, it's state of mind, a social philosophy

If it was a choice between Labour and Tory at this moment in time, I'd vote Tory all day long. A large part of the reason for that is because Labour attracts people like you.

100% that.

[SydneyRover]

you don't have to vote tory to be conservative, it's state of mind, a social philosophy

If it was a choice between Labour and Tory at this moment in time, I'd vote Tory all day long. A large part of the reason for that is because Labour attracts people like you.

Who said I vote labour?

[DonnyOsmond]

you don't have to vote tory to be conservative, it's state of mind, a social philosophy

If it was a choice between Labour and Tory at this moment in time, I'd vote Tory all day long. A large part of the reason for that is because Labour attracts people like you.

Like I said before this is like saying I'm no longer going to support Rovers because it attracts people like BST or murham.

[Bentley Bullet]

I don't know about those two, but there are certainly elements of the Rovers support that makes me ashamed to be on the same side as them.

[SydneyRover]

Don't be so hard on yourself bb, it's just a political thread on a forum, nothing to get in a tizz about

[Ldr]

Syd, what's the political landscape like over there? Is it as polarised or is that a UK phenomenon

[SydneyRover]

Syd, what's the political landscape like over there? Is it as polarised or is that a UK phenomenon

Polarised, same media bias dominated by murdoch and to a lesser extent '7 west media' owned by kerry stokes. Australia is fairly conservative in general the Libs (conservative) are permanently in coalition with the national party that dominates non urban seats, supposedly representing farmers but in fact supporting the big miners. Both sides of politics take large donations from fossil fuel companies which maintains a status quo as far as climate change action.

[SydneyRover]

this was  PM Morrison last week telling everyone god was on his side for the last election

Australian prime minister Scott Morrison tells conference of calling to 'God’s work' – video

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2021/apr/26/australian-prime-minister-scott-morrison-tells-conference-of-calling-to-gods-work-video

[Ldr]

Seems like polarisation and absolutes are worldwide then, a sad by product of social media echo Chambers?

[SydneyRover]

Not sure you can blame social media for the polarisation. social media has given a channel for different sides to confront each other whereas only a couple of decades ago they would not have come together so much

[Ldr]

I think id agree and disagree Syd, yes it's easier to come together but most ppl tend to interact with ppl who share their views which then reinforces those views.