Local Elections And Hartlepool

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's the way of the world at the moment Ldr.

Here's the root. Politics is basically a fight over two things. Economics and Culture.

The Right dominated the economics argument for decades from the 1970s. But they are all played out. It's been years since a meaningful new economic idea came from the Right. Austerity was their last throw of the dice but it was a ridiculous concept. All the fresh new ideas are now coming from the Left.

So the Right tacks off to concentrating on Culture. They focus people's aim on immigrants and foreign governments and tofu-eating Hampstead sandal wearers. They foment the division between people. And it has been successful around the world, from Johnson to Trump, to Bolsanaro to Modi to Orban.

It's a long, long way back from the bitterness this has generated, exemplified by the comments of Lydon.

[Bentley Bullet]

BST, you talk of it being the way of the world as though you are an innocent victim of it when in reality you are just as much a part of the problem as anybody else.

You have no more entitlement to be right than anyone else, and John Lydon is just as entitled to be as bitter as you are.

[SydneyRover]

Always the personal attacks bb, don't you get tired of painting yourself into corners?

[Bentley Bullet]

It's more an attack on BST's views than a personal one. If I said, for instance, guys like you who are approaching old age are just as much a part of the problem it would be more of a personal attack, but I didn't.

[SydneyRover]

I thought I'd just been hijacked onto the trump blog for a minute there

[Bentley Bullet]

Now, comparing me to Trump could be construed as a personal attack on me, although I suppose it would be a compliment to Trump.

[SydneyRover]

tell me what the difference is?

[Bentley Bullet]

The difference in what? Do you mean the difference between Trump and me?

[SydneyRover]

you don't have to vote tory to be conservative, it's state of mind, a social philosophy

If it was a choice between Labour and Tory at this moment in time, I'd vote Tory all day long. A large part of the reason for that is because Labour attracts people like you.

Who said I vote labour?

why do you do the personal attacks bb is it a feeling of inadequacy?

[Bentley Bullet]

Skipping questions again Skippy!

I never said you voted Labour. I suspect you aren't allowed to vote at all in the UK. I said Labour attracts people LIKE you.

[SydneyRover]

Hope you're not watching those dodgy gay Aussie pornos again. Skip.

so either you mean gays are dodgy or porn is dodgy or both, when between consenting adults where neither is exploited there is nothing wrong,

What did you mean by dodgy?

First things first bb, you haven't answered this yet

[Bentley Bullet]

Just done a bit of research for you Skippy. Be careful out there, it could be big down under.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nicolenguyen/the-hidden-security-risks-of-free-porn-online

[SydneyRover]

Unsafe, why bb?

[BillyStubbsTears]

BST, you talk of it being the way of the world as though you are an innocent victim of it when in reality you are just as much a part of the problem as anybody else.

You have no more entitlement to be right than anyone else, and John Lydon is just as entitled to be as bitter as you are.

Except BB as I say over and over, I ALWAYS back up my criticisms with evidence. That's the starting point of a rational debate.

[Bentley Bullet]

Unsafe, why bb?

I'm not sure I should be talking to you about that sort of adult stuff on the internet Skippy. Can't you ask someone close to you, like your parents, or a teacher you can trust perhaps?

[Metalmicky]

Interesting.....

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-super-thursday-24048064

[Bentley Bullet]

BST, you talk of it being the way of the world as though you are an innocent victim of it when in reality you are just as much a part of the problem as anybody else.

You have no more entitlement to be right than anyone else, and John Lydon is just as entitled to be as bitter as you are.

Except BB as I say over and over, I ALWAYS back up my criticisms with evidence. That's the starting point of a rational debate.

But, as I say over and over again, you're criticisms are one-sided and are often backed up with evidence from one-sided channels.

[SydneyRover]

Unsafe, why bb?

I'm not sure I should be talking to you about that sort of adult stuff on the internet Skippy. Can't you ask someone close to you, like your parents, or a teacher you can trust perhaps?

Are you saying I can't trust you bb, we are after all DR supporters, as for ''the adult stuff on the internet'' I'll have to bow to your expertise.

[SydneyRover]

Interesting.....

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-super-thursday-24048064

Just another brick in the wall MM, hopefully, we can't continue with johnson as a leader surely?

''As so often is the case, Donald Trump gets to the heart of the problem. On 6 January, he was the president of the United States: probably the most powerful man in the world. He should be free to speak his mind, and voters should be free to listen. But he was also a habitual liar who, by the end of his term, had edged into repudiating the very democracy that had elevated him''

Alan Rusbridger has said this today about trump, it could easily be about johnson, we need labour in to right the ship and sort out the detail later.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BST, you talk of it being the way of the world as though you are an innocent victim of it when in reality you are just as much a part of the problem as anybody else.

You have no more entitlement to be right than anyone else, and John Lydon is just as entitled to be as bitter as you are.

Except BB as I say over and over, I ALWAYS back up my criticisms with evidence. That's the starting point of a rational debate.

But, as I say over and over again, you're criticisms are one-sided and are often backed up with evidence from one-sided channels.

So you continually say. In which case, it should be easy to refute my criticisms with contrary evidence.  Try it.

[Herbert Anchovy]

During a phone in down here, someone asked the question of why traditional Labour supporting working class folk suddenly think that the Tory Party are best placed to deal with their issues. A caller responded with a comment attributed to Aneurin Bevan:

“How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political power to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics in the 20th Century.”

[selby]

  It goes along with " a good socialist is only a good socialist until someone else's money runs out".

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Interesting.....

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-says-super-thursday-24048064

I don't mind kier starmer and he does a smart and professional job.  I'm not sure he gives off the below impression though...

"driven by a burning desire to make this country the best place to grow up in and the best place to grow old in"

I'm not sure I buy that as his motivation and that might be something that's part of his problem.  I did genuinely believe Corbyn on that front though he seamt authentic in his passion. Starmer doesn't.

[River Don]

During a phone in down here, someone asked the question of why traditional Labour supporting working class folk suddenly think that the Tory Party are best placed to deal with their issues. A caller responded with a comment attributed to Aneurin Bevan:

“How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political power to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics in the 20th Century.”

There is one thing. In electing Tory MPs it becomes more difficult for the Tory government to simply ignore the red wall seats altogether.

Whilst the place was solidly Labour there was no incentive to do anything. Now they have voices from their own side demanding things.

[Filo]

28.05% turnout for Doncaster, Reform UK (former Brexit Party) got the lowest amount of votes 1012 votes in the Mayoral election

[Herbert Anchovy]

Just heard a comment on the wireless from a voter in Hartlepool. I’m not sure if it’s in the dark humour/tragic irony category yet.

The interviewer asked the lady how she’d voted in the by election yesterday. She answered that she’d voted Conservative for the first time after years of voting Labour. When he asked her why she’d changed her allegiance she replied that Hartlepool had received nothing for years, were always let down and that she felt it was time for a change. The interviewer then pointed out that she’d voted for the same party that’d been in power for 10 years. Silence followed while this fact sank in.....before she replied that a local factory had closed down a couple of years ago and Labour had done nothing to stop it happening.....Hmmmmm.

[Filo]

Just heard a comment on the wireless from a voter in Hartlepool. I’m not sure if it’s in the dark humour/tragic irony category yet.

The interviewer asked the lady how she’d voted in the by election yesterday. She answered that she’d voted Conservative for the first time after years of voting Labour. When he asked her why she’d changed her allegiance she replied that Hartlepool had received nothing for years, were always let down and that she felt it was time for a change. The interviewer then pointed out that she’d voted for the same party that’d been in power for 10 years. Silence followed while this fact sank in.....before she replied that a local factory had closed down a couple of years ago and Labour had done nothing to stop it happening.....Hmmmmm.

Was the Labour candidate a French Spy?

[Filo]

Labour wins the Doncaster Mayoral election

[SydneyRover]

This must be tongue in cheek too, no?

Hartlepool

''Winning Tory candidate Jill Mortimer says Labour has taken Hartlepool for granted for too long''

[bpoolrover]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/04/labour-tories-voters-keir-starmer