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Hound.That link is the minutes from a SAGE meeting. Are you not reading them because you think they are biased?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 23, 2021, 09:30:34 pmHound.That link is the minutes from a SAGE meeting. Are you not reading them because you think they are biased?So are you saying Chris Whitty is a liar?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on February 23, 2021, 09:38:42 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on February 23, 2021, 09:30:34 pmHound.That link is the minutes from a SAGE meeting. Are you not reading them because you think they are biased?So are you saying Chris Whitty is a liar?Sage is a collective of experts, those minutes are the opinion of those experts, Whitty is one of those experts but his opinion goes against the body of experts, he’s also the man brought in to pass the Govt message, right or wrong
Quote from: albie on February 23, 2021, 05:40:04 pmBB, Both Whitty and Vallance are bound by collective responsibility, so the way in which their individual opinions are shown in the SAGE meetings is not always the same as the public face.That is just a given in these situations.This is the advice TO SAGE;The discussion in SAGE modelled different scenarios in relation to relaxing lockdown;https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1363888315997556740Here are the recommendations in the SAGE minutes;https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963366/S1082_SAGE__79_Minutes.pdfPoints 32 and 33 cut to the chase.To answer Hound, no they are not following the SAGE consensus, they are cherrypicking the science.It helps if you actually read the links before posting.Albie, i seldomly read links on this thread.Whenever i have done, invariably they are of a very biased nature.
BB, Both Whitty and Vallance are bound by collective responsibility, so the way in which their individual opinions are shown in the SAGE meetings is not always the same as the public face.That is just a given in these situations.This is the advice TO SAGE;The discussion in SAGE modelled different scenarios in relation to relaxing lockdown;https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1363888315997556740Here are the recommendations in the SAGE minutes;https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/963366/S1082_SAGE__79_Minutes.pdfPoints 32 and 33 cut to the chase.To answer Hound, no they are not following the SAGE consensus, they are cherrypicking the science.It helps if you actually read the links before posting.
Hound. I read this. "Albie, i seldomly read links on this thread.Whenever i have done, invariably they are of a very biased nature."In response to Albie pointing you to a link to SAGE minutes.
Albie, I'll tell you what. You believe what you want to believe and I'll believe what I want to believe. I'm quite happy looking at the positives and you're quite happy looking at the negatives. I'm looking ahead to a good future, you're looking ahead to a bleak one.
Many, many links on here are not evidence at all. They are opinions (often extreme and very biased) dressed up as evidence for the sole purpose of backing up the poster’s own opinion in a feeble attempt to add some ‘evidential’ proof.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on February 23, 2021, 05:52:04 pmAlbie, I'll tell you what. You believe what you want to believe and I'll believe what I want to believe. I'm quite happy looking at the positives and you're quite happy looking at the negatives. I'm looking ahead to a good future, you're looking ahead to a bleak one.Well, this thread has taken a weird turn since I was on here.Anyway, I reckon BB has hit the nail on the head, although I'm not sure he meant to.It is about belief for some.Evidence only counts if it backs up your belief, if it poses a question, then ignore it.All a bit Donald Trump for me!I don't really see the positive v negative thing though. For me, it is about weighing the evidence, then thinking what is likely to happen...probable rather than possible, if you like.Each to their own, I guess.
Filo. Mine was a general comment, not aimed at one particular argument. Also, I said many, not all.Yes I do consider minutes from a SAGE meeting reliable evidence.No I don’t think a poster’s refusal to read a link automatically invalidates their argument (or, most importantly, their opinion).
Filo. Where does Chris Whitty contradict the minutes of the sage meeting?
Filo. Where does he express an opinion that is at the expense of the collective group of experts?
BB.I didn't think I'd need to spell this out, but the REALLY important thing about paragraph 35 is that it says that modelling suggests that opening up from lockdown over three months from April may lead to a more severe hospital crisis than occurred in January.It is inconceivable that Whitty and Vallance wouldn't have communicated that information to Johnson. And Johnson then announces that Plan A is to open up from lockdown in 3.5 months from early March.