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Ref your point abput retaking the Crimea DBR (post 2131), if that happens, I imagine nobody would be surprised by a future revanchist Russia... That would not be good.BobG
Thank you Wilts. I'm sure this chap knows a helluva lot more about this stuff than I do. My mind, though, is still stuck in its mid to late 20th C time warp. How can the Russian behemoth not simply crush whatever it chooses to crusjh?!Lol. It's a whole new world...BobG
Just reading in the paper a report that says because Russia has not declared war, Russian soldiers by law still have a lot of civilian rights.Because it's not a war, they can actually refuse to fight and expect very few sanctions. Apparently this is happening and it's frustrating the high command who cannot even send them to prison. I can only guess the reason this isn't more widespread is because there can't be too many young Russian soldiers who fully understand Russian law.So there's a job for the Ukrainians. Find ways to get this information to front line Russian troops. Although, I suppose ultimately if successful it would result in Russia simply declaring war but in the short term it would put another spanner in the Russian works.
Quote from: BobG on May 12, 2022, 10:12:47 pmThank you Wilts. I'm sure this chap knows a helluva lot more about this stuff than I do. My mind, though, is still stuck in its mid to late 20th C time warp. How can the Russian behemoth not simply crush whatever it chooses to crusjh?!Lol. It's a whole new world...BobGLikewise I had expected a more dominant invasion, especially from the air superiority. I think there's many reasons why that didn't happen, possibly the main one being the wide use of lightweight anti tank missiles by Ukraine, that seriously changes things. And of course the involvement of NATO.That expectation is probably the result of both Russian propaganda and that from the West which is at least partly pushed by the need to spend on military as it's a money making scheme for the rich and powerful. A frightened population backing their money going to the pockets of the corporations.Someone mentioned the old stock of Russian equipment. Much of it was upgraded, significantly so, but doesn't seem up to the job, or just used poorly? I wonder how much there is an attitude of clearing out old stock even if upgraded. Not great for the tankers.Interesting too how little news is out there about Ukraine losses and failings, not just on the BBC and such tripe, but generally.
More rumours today that Putin has cancer.No question he looked very ill at the victory Day parade. Sat down with a blanket over his lap. Brezhnev used to stand all through the parade and he was barely alive.
So the Russian bot explanation for the panicked retreat from Kyiv was that the whole Kyiv attack was a feint to distract Ukranian forces from the main event in the east.I wonder what the excuse is going to be for what looks like turning into a rout at Kharkiv?
Quote from: Bristol Red Rover on May 13, 2022, 03:36:39 pmQuote from: BobG on May 12, 2022, 10:12:47 pmThank you Wilts. I'm sure this chap knows a helluva lot more about this stuff than I do. My mind, though, is still stuck in its mid to late 20th C time warp. How can the Russian behemoth not simply crush whatever it chooses to crusjh?!Lol. It's a whole new world...BobGLikewise I had expected a more dominant invasion, especially from the air superiority. I think there's many reasons why that didn't happen, possibly the main one being the wide use of lightweight anti tank missiles by Ukraine, that seriously changes things. And of course the involvement of NATO.That expectation is probably the result of both Russian propaganda and that from the West which is at least partly pushed by the need to spend on military as it's a money making scheme for the rich and powerful. A frightened population backing their money going to the pockets of the corporations.Someone mentioned the old stock of Russian equipment. Much of it was upgraded, significantly so, but doesn't seem up to the job, or just used poorly? I wonder how much there is an attitude of clearing out old stock even if upgraded. Not great for the tankers.Interesting too how little news is out there about Ukraine losses and failings, not just on the BBC and such tripe, but generally.Just a pedantic point BRR, but it looks to me like a number of NATO nations have decided to provide differing support on a national basis. There will have been some exchanges and talk between them, but NATO as an organisation has not as far as I can see made an overarching assessment of what to send to Ukraine, and then led a meeting (Force Generation Conference) to coordinate and ask nations to meet those requirements.There is a technical difference between NATO as an organisation leading everything, and some NATO nations getting together and doing things nationally.For example a number of NATO nations formed an ad-hoc coalition for the Gulf War after NATO said no, but NATO led and orchestrated e.g. operations in Bosnia and Kosovo.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 14, 2022, 11:18:11 amSo the Russian bot explanation for the panicked retreat from Kyiv was that the whole Kyiv attack was a feint to distract Ukranian forces from the main event in the east.I wonder what the excuse is going to be for what looks like turning into a rout at Kharkiv?I think there's a difference between excuse and understanding. And then there's BBC propaganda. Take your pick.
Two exceedingly interesting points for me on this page.The absence of broadcast information referring to Ukrainian losses and Ukrainian foul ups can only be seen as prima facie evidence of manipulation of the news throughout the western world, and, the talk about Putin having cancer. If that is true it would definitely lessen the barriers around rhe Big Bad Button. Uncomfortable thought....Actually, there's another interesting point. The suggestion that the power of the 'Russian behemoth' has maybe been exaggerated for decades and decades to justify all that spend on things military. Predident Eisenhower warned us all in 1958 or 1959 that the military-industrial complex possesses huge power. Could this be an example of that power in action? Good subject for a research project that.BobG
Quote from: Filo on May 11, 2022, 06:54:21 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 11, 2022, 06:50:59 pmQuote from: Filo on May 11, 2022, 06:46:21 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 11, 2022, 06:44:31 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 11, 2022, 02:42:05 pmWE had a AWACS plane flying over our end of town yesterday, when i told the Mrs what it was she thought we were getting ready for the apocalypse !!She is going to be really worried on Sunday lunchtime then if she is anywhere around Hatfield.Do you know the exact flight path?No but I read that it will be over Hatfield some time between 12.30 and 1.20 but it is coming up from Lincolnshire so if it is going to fly over the church there is a good chance it will go straight over my house.Depends which way they are going, I’m about a mile and a half North of Hatfield ChurchYeah, I gather so. A Google search does say it goes over Hatfield but nothing more.Maybe more info will be available nearer the time.
Quote from: drfchound on May 11, 2022, 06:50:59 pmQuote from: Filo on May 11, 2022, 06:46:21 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 11, 2022, 06:44:31 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 11, 2022, 02:42:05 pmWE had a AWACS plane flying over our end of town yesterday, when i told the Mrs what it was she thought we were getting ready for the apocalypse !!She is going to be really worried on Sunday lunchtime then if she is anywhere around Hatfield.Do you know the exact flight path?No but I read that it will be over Hatfield some time between 12.30 and 1.20 but it is coming up from Lincolnshire so if it is going to fly over the church there is a good chance it will go straight over my house.Depends which way they are going, I’m about a mile and a half North of Hatfield Church
Quote from: Filo on May 11, 2022, 06:46:21 pmQuote from: drfchound on May 11, 2022, 06:44:31 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 11, 2022, 02:42:05 pmWE had a AWACS plane flying over our end of town yesterday, when i told the Mrs what it was she thought we were getting ready for the apocalypse !!She is going to be really worried on Sunday lunchtime then if she is anywhere around Hatfield.Do you know the exact flight path?No but I read that it will be over Hatfield some time between 12.30 and 1.20 but it is coming up from Lincolnshire so if it is going to fly over the church there is a good chance it will go straight over my house.
Quote from: drfchound on May 11, 2022, 06:44:31 pmQuote from: danumdon on May 11, 2022, 02:42:05 pmWE had a AWACS plane flying over our end of town yesterday, when i told the Mrs what it was she thought we were getting ready for the apocalypse !!She is going to be really worried on Sunday lunchtime then if she is anywhere around Hatfield.Do you know the exact flight path?
Quote from: danumdon on May 11, 2022, 02:42:05 pmWE had a AWACS plane flying over our end of town yesterday, when i told the Mrs what it was she thought we were getting ready for the apocalypse !!She is going to be really worried on Sunday lunchtime then if she is anywhere around Hatfield.
WE had a AWACS plane flying over our end of town yesterday, when i told the Mrs what it was she thought we were getting ready for the apocalypse !!